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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 17 2012 15:23 MajuGarzett wrote: There probably won't be a good quality sub out until the dvd is released. I remember I had to wait for the dvd to watch 2.0. Japanese theaters are crazily prepared for camrips. They even have infared lasers to ruin cameras without a filter lololol. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On September 17 2012 15:26 Gamegene wrote: Japanese theaters are crazily prepared for camrips. They even have infared lasers to ruin cameras without a filter lololol. Well I found one cam rip but it was horrible quality and had someones head in the way so I decided to wait the extra few months. | ||
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Kitty4Cat
Canada56 Posts
On September 13 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote: This is stupid where are the fanboys. Maybe no fanboys, but certainly a fangirl here! I loved NGE! I own the dvd box set and I've watched it many many times! I also watched the Death and Rebirth and The End of Evangelion movies. Though I always have a hard time explaining why I love that serie...! I just feel... a connection I guess...? + Show Spoiler + By the way... though I love the whole anime, I really hate the scene where the EVA series attack the EVA 02!!! | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On September 17 2012 16:34 Kitty4Cat wrote: Maybe no fanboys, but certainly a fangirl here! I loved NGE! I own the dvd box set and I've watched it many many times! I also watched the Death and Rebirth and The End of Evangelion movies. Though I always have a hard time explaining why I love that serie...! I just feel... a connection I guess...? + Show Spoiler + By the way... though I love the whole anime, I really hate the scene where the EVA series attack the EVA 02!!! Watch the rebuild series  | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
I just watched rebuild 1 and 2. It makes me kinda sad to watch rebuild 2. Maybe because I was hoping it would be more like the series and I wanted to remember my childhood of watching it, and 2 was nothing like the series, so many changes. Why did they change the plot so much? I thought rebuild was supposed to just be how anno wanted to tell the story but didn't have the budget for the first time around? Makes no sense that now there's completely new characters, different events, in #1 unit 01 didn't move on its own to stop the light from falling on shinji either, it's weird. Also Is it me or does kaji sound so much worse in rebuild than in the original? Still great movies though, I guess I was just hoping for it to be more true to the series. Also in the original series, wasn't it pronounced "jindo" ikari, not "gendo?" Or is my memory screwing with me? And the last angel fight from rebuild #2, I don't even recognize it from the series. I remember shinjis eva going berserk and eating the angel, not all that stuff with rei, and I don't even remember rei or asuka fighting it. #2 just left my mind full of fuck :/ Editted spoilers, since I'm talking about rebuild. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
On September 17 2012 16:34 Kitty4Cat wrote: Maybe no fanboys, but certainly a fangirl here! I loved NGE! I own the dvd box set and I've watched it many many times! I also watched the Death and Rebirth and The End of Evangelion movies. Though I always have a hard time explaining why I love that serie...! I just feel... a connection I guess...? + Show Spoiler + By the way... though I love the whole anime, I really hate the scene where the EVA series attack the EVA 02!!! I also have a difficult time explaining to somebody who hasn't seen the anime just why it's so good and I don't think ANYBODY could have watched UNIT02's last fight without some cringing and sadness xD I didn't really like watching it, seeing as Asuka was by far my favorite (come on, I was a 14 year old boy who liked redheads haha) but it was seriously epic. I think my favorite memory about the EVA serious as a whole was when my sister first watched it the year it came out and I was just 6 or so, she let me watch the first couple who episodes but there came a time where she just said "you can't watch this anymore" I never wanted to watch something more in my life, so I sneaked into her room (don't ask) during the episode where an Angel takes over the new EVA during the climax of the fight. Let's just say I didn't want to watch anymore xD | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
) Shinji pretty much stays depressed and is constantly tortured by the situations he's in. Well, if he is like that, isn't he the same as the standard super main character, but from a different extreme? I just watched the Monster Hunter manga, and that MC is always freaking happy and eccentric. Is Shinji just the opposite of that?Also, I'd like to disagree with a few of the notions made about realism. It does not make a show, or art, or anything, magically more entertaining. If an anime were made about my life, you could say "wow, what a realistic character portrayal", but that doesn't mean it'll be good. If the characters in the hypothetical anime are boring or unlikable, the experience is made less enjoyable. Don't take this to mean that characters can't be sad or depressed. It's all about motivations and reasons when you get down to it. I saw a short movie in my Psych class about a woman who had been diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. She was leaving her husband and little girl behind. You can bet she was sad. However, she turned her experience into something that could help children (she went around to schools and explained what she was going through because of cigarettes). If you can sympathize with or admire a character's reasons for doing something, you can become attached to that character. So, here's the question NGE fans. Is Shinji a likable character? If not, that's okay, because there are other things that can make an anime good. I also don't see many people in the thread looking at the plot itself (people talked about the symbolism and messages, but not really looking at the plot). Was it enjoyable to sit through and keep you wanting more? NGE really reminds of School Days. Both are viewed as being some sort of master piece and utterly hated. Both have main characters who say are completely unlikable, and they both seem to deal in going away from the standard mecha/harem plot. | ||
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nthrLL
Australia45 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:10 Dark_Chill wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Okay, if this thread is to be believed (I didn't watch NGE but I love these discussions ) Shinji pretty much stays depressed and is constantly tortured by the situations he's in. Well, if he is like that, isn't he the same as the standard super main character, but from a different extreme? I just watched the Monster Hunter manga, and that MC is always freaking happy and eccentric. Is Shinji just the opposite of that?Also, I'd like to disagree with a few of the notions made about realism. It does not make a show, or art, or anything, magically more entertaining. If an anime were made about my life, you could say "wow, what a realistic character portrayal", but that doesn't mean it'll be good. If the characters in the hypothetical anime are boring or unlikable, the experience is made less enjoyable. Don't take this to mean that characters can't be sad or depressed. It's all about motivations and reasons when you get down to it. I saw a short movie in my Psych class about a woman who had been diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. She was leaving her husband and little girl behind. You can bet she was sad. However, she turned her experience into something that could help children (she went around to schools and explained what she was going through because of cigarettes). If you can sympathize with or admire a character's reasons for doing something, you can become attached to that character. So, here's the question NGE fans. Is Shinji a likable character? If not, that's okay, because there are other things that can make an anime good. I also don't see many people in the thread looking at the plot itself (people talked about the symbolism and messages, but not really looking at the plot). Was it enjoyable to sit through and keep you wanting more? NGE really reminds of School Days. Both are viewed as being some sort of master piece and utterly hated. Both have main characters who say are completely unlikable, and they both seem to deal in going away from the standard mecha/harem plot. The standout thing for me with NGE (when it was released and when I was exposed to it) was that, compared to most media at the time, it was never clear that the "good guy" (or even humanity) was actually going to win in the end - and if they did, it wasn't going to be conventional. That's one of the big factors that made it so memorable for me - compared to most pieces within the medium at the time (DBZ for example - everyone knew Goku was never going to actually die). | ||
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Bobbin Threadbare
Australia30 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:10 Dark_Chill wrote: Okay, if this thread is to be believed (I didn't watch NGE but I love these discussions ) Shinji pretty much stays depressed and is constantly tortured by the situations he's in. Well, if he is like that, isn't he the same as the standard super main character, but from a different extreme? I just watched the Monster Hunter manga, and that MC is always freaking happy and eccentric. Is Shinji just the opposite of that?Also, I'd like to disagree with a few of the notions made about realism. It does not make a show, or art, or anything, magically more entertaining. If an anime were made about my life, you could say "wow, what a realistic character portrayal", but that doesn't mean it'll be good. If the characters in the hypothetical anime are boring or unlikable, the experience is made less enjoyable. Don't take this to mean that characters can't be sad or depressed. It's all about motivations and reasons when you get down to it. I saw a short movie in my Psych class about a woman who had been diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. She was leaving her husband and little girl behind. You can bet she was sad. However, she turned her experience into something that could help children (she went around to schools and explained what she was going through because of cigarettes). If you can sympathize with or admire a character's reasons for doing something, you can become attached to that character. So, here's the question NGE fans. Is Shinji a likable character? If not, that's okay, because there are other things that can make an anime good. I also don't see many people in the thread looking at the plot itself (people talked about the symbolism and messages, but not really looking at the plot). Was it enjoyable to sit through and keep you wanting more? NGE really reminds of School Days. Both are viewed as being some sort of master piece and utterly hated. Both have main characters who say are completely unlikable, and they both seem to deal in going away from the standard mecha/harem plot. Cool that you're forming ideas based solely on the discussion, must be presenting a pretty interesting (re: weird) picture of this great series. To answer your question, Shinji is indeed likeable to some (myself included!) but as you point out a character can be depressed. I bet many found him unlikeable due to that - many jokes have been made about why a red-blooded teenager would be anything less than overjoyed when offered a chance to pilot mecha machines alongside babes and heaps of crazy sweet science going down all around. But to say people seemingly aren't occupied by the plot, well, that's what makes Shinji worth enduring through as he repeatedly cries, runs away and chokes up at all the worst times. Sure he may never turn his pain around and make something lovely out of it like education for the children, but if you want to see what the end is you really just gotta watch the show. Could we even consider a fictional character, even picture one completely stripped of their story? They would barely exist, like a line drawn on a piece of paper. Anyway it is enjoyable to sit through. The first half (roughly) takes it slow through the simple story of awe inspiring battles with the angels and the histories of them all. The next half, things escalate quickly. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Then I re-watched it as a 17-18 year old stoner with my best bud. Watching the first episode with him was an amazing experience, blazed out of our minds, trying to put ourselves into the situation Shinji was thrown into and "Living the dream" or reeeeaaaallly trying to understand the characters and their motives. We literally paused and talked/just looked at each other blankly more than a few times during the series, and after watching the entire series all we could think to do was go through it again. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:10 Dark_Chill wrote: Okay, if this thread is to be believed (I didn't watch NGE but I love these discussions ) Shinji pretty much stays depressed and is constantly tortured by the situations he's in. Well, if he is like that, isn't he the same as the standard super main character, but from a different extreme? I just watched the Monster Hunter manga, and that MC is always freaking happy and eccentric. Is Shinji just the opposite of that?[...] So, here's the question NGE fans. Is Shinji a likable character? If not, that's okay, because there are other things that can make an anime good. I also don't see many people in the thread looking at the plot itself (people talked about the symbolism and messages, but not really looking at the plot). Was it enjoyable to sit through and keep you wanting more? Shinji isn't really depressed, as in a depressive state. He's simply a weak teenager. Literaly a nobody. Take a random nerd from your high school classmates. Put the world on his shoulders. That's Shinji. He's really the archetype of an otaku : irresponsible, weak-minded, asocial, afraid of life in general. But at the same time, a victim who needs help in understanding he can do very well on his own (see the end of the show). I wouldn't say he's a likeable character. On the contrary, his lack of motivation and overall cowardice are irritating. But we slowly watch him grow and understand that his only crime is that he's an ordinary kid thrown in an exceptional situation. We get to see what "saving the world" would actually imply : losing loved ones, getting hurt, slowly falling into despair as challenges never seem to stop coming. It could also be a pessimistic description of life, actually... About the plot itself, I believe the classical start and the quick pace of the show got most viewers hooked. After all, giant robots, cute girls. It all starts in medias res, as the first Angel attacks, and the coming of each Angel poses a problem on its own, with new challenges and a new focus on the characters. The rich backround acts as a filler, and at the same time as a creator of artificial nostalgia. Also, the fanservice goodies released in parallel of the show speak for themselves : Eva did a great job in attracting your average otaku. The initial purpose was to teach them a "lesson" about life, but the ending, too harsh and complex for most, found ony rejection from those it was trying to reach. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:10 Dark_Chill wrote: Okay, if this thread is to be believed (I didn't watch NGE but I love these discussions ) Shinji pretty much stays depressed and is constantly tortured by the situations he's in. Well, if he is like that, isn't he the same as the standard super main character, but from a different extreme? I just watched the Monster Hunter manga, and that MC is always freaking happy and eccentric. Is Shinji just the opposite of that?Also, I'd like to disagree with a few of the notions made about realism. It does not make a show, or art, or anything, magically more entertaining. If an anime were made about my life, you could say "wow, what a realistic character portrayal", but that doesn't mean it'll be good. If the characters in the hypothetical anime are boring or unlikable, the experience is made less enjoyable. Don't take this to mean that characters can't be sad or depressed. It's all about motivations and reasons when you get down to it. I saw a short movie in my Psych class about a woman who had been diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. She was leaving her husband and little girl behind. You can bet she was sad. However, she turned her experience into something that could help children (she went around to schools and explained what she was going through because of cigarettes). If you can sympathize with or admire a character's reasons for doing something, you can become attached to that character. So, here's the question NGE fans. Is Shinji a likable character? If not, that's okay, because there are other things that can make an anime good. I also don't see many people in the thread looking at the plot itself (people talked about the symbolism and messages, but not really looking at the plot). Was it enjoyable to sit through and keep you wanting more? NGE really reminds of School Days. Both are viewed as being some sort of master piece and utterly hated. Both have main characters who say are completely unlikable, and they both seem to deal in going away from the standard mecha/harem plot. I'm pretty sure anyone who says they like Shinji is just trolling, seeing as how he doesn't have any redeemable personality traits, period. Message of the show? Yoshiyuki Tomino, Creator of Mobile Suit Gundam: I was very upset when I saw Evangelion, because it was apparent to me that the people who made it weren't thinking at all about making fun for or gaining the sympathy of the audience. Instead they tried to convince the audience to admit that everybody is sick, practically in the middle of a nervous breakdown, all the time. I don't think you should show things like that to everybody. It's not entertainment for the masses--it's much more interested in admitting that we're all depressed nervous wrecks, I thought. It was a work that told people it was okay to be depressed, and it accepted the psychological state that said if you don't like the way the world works, then it's okay to just pick up a gun and attack someone. I don't think that's a real work of art. When people see that, they begin to realize they are the same way. I think that we should try to show people how to live healthier, fuller lives, to foster their identity as a part of their community, and to encourage them to work happily until they die. I can't accept any work that doesn't say that. | ||
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shadowboxer
United States224 Posts
I was the type of fan that was obsessed with this show, watched the entire series in one sitting and was devastated when I saw the last episodes. Even the old movies didn't console me, I was depressed for days. I'm sure the new movies will eventually leave me the same way(hopefully not), but the first two were amazing and I can't wait for the third. Edit: I forgot to mention this thread was what made me watch the new movies. When I first heard of them I was way too bitter about the series to watch them but time had healed the wounds and when I saw this thread + the mention of the new movies I decided to watch them. So to anyone that was hesitant like I was, do it, you won't regret it(yet). | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
On September 19 2012 10:21 Sentenal wrote: I'm pretty sure anyone who says they like Shinji is just trolling, seeing as how he doesn't have any redeemable personality traits, period. Message of the show? Can't you just leave? Obviously you can't accept that other people can have different feelings about things than your own. I like Shinji. I think he's an interesting character with some very complex issues different from pretty much any anime I've watched. Not everything in life is sunshine and rainbows. Also, that quote just seems stupid. Anime is supposed to be about "making fun or gaining the sympathy of the audience"??? That pile of text is honestly not saying a damn thing other than "we should all be happy and healthy!!!" Really, you just have to keep shitting on things you don't like don't you? On another note, has this thread gotten anybody unknown to the anime to give the show a shot? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 19 2012 10:42 N3rV[Green] wrote: Can't you just leave? Obviously you can't accept that other people can have different feelings about things than your own. I like Shinji. I think he's an interesting character with some very complex issues different from pretty much any anime I've watched. Not everything in life is sunshine and rainbows. Also, that quote just seems stupid. Anime is supposed to be about "making fun or gaining the sympathy of the audience"??? That pile of text is honestly not saying a damn thing other than "we should all be happy and healthy!!!" Really, you just have to keep shitting on things you don't like don't you? On another note, has this thread gotten anybody unknown to the anime give the show a shot? 1.)I'm not the one here telling other people to get out of the thread when they disagree with me. Why can't you just accept that I hate the TV series? Can you please stop with the ad hominem? It doesn't really do you any good. This isn't the "Evangelion Fan Club" thread. The opening posts even makes it clear, This show is hit or miss with a lot of people, and the fact that the final episodes, manga and movies can be "2deep4u", will result in a lot of posters expressing their confusion, hatred, or general dislike of the series. That is to be expected. 2.) Yes, hes so interesting, just like the emo kid who sats in the back of class, and didn't socialize with anyone. Also, different=/=good (not that he actually is very different, for the most part). 3.) First off, and hopefully I'm point this out needlessly to you since its fairly obvious, but the quote is addressing the MESSAGE of Evangelion. What is the MESSAGE the show is trying to deliver to its audience? There are many different types of messages you can send with a work. One is to be fun, I don't really need to explain that. Another is gaining sympathy for the audience while telling a story. You could take example of the short movie about a cancer patient in Dark_Chill's post for this. I don't really need to explain this either, hopefully. Tomino is saying that the message delivered by Evangelion is counter-productive to society and individual development, and it is. While the other two offered types of messages are productive to society and its audience. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
No. The creators themselves stated that the show focused on the otaku culture and the phenomenon of social fear present among Japan's youth. If you ever watched the ending, or the way Shinji is portrayed, you'd understand that depression and teen angst are actually condemned by the show. The irony is that the very last episode ended with the very ideas you say they should have defended : cheer up, life is difficult but life can be brilliant as long as you look straight up, building a cocoon to defend yourself is pointless and self-destructive. On the other hand, Gundam Wing is typically an empty anime made just for fanservice purposes so young boys can feel less shitty about their lives. And don't even get me started on worse examples like Love Hina... This is what led many people to threaten Gainax in in many ways : they wanted pure entertainment, just like pigs who'd become violent once you stop feeding them their daily garbage. On a side note, works of art don't have "messages". As Hitchcock said, "messages are for postmen". If you could reduce a song, a movie or a book to a single sentence, then what is the point of it in the first place? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 19 2012 11:58 Kukaracha wrote: No. The creators themselves stated that the show focused on the otaku culture and the phenomenon of social fear present among Japan's youth. If you ever watched the ending, or the way Shinji is portrayed, you'd understand that depression and teen angst are actually condemned by the show. The irony is that the very last episode ended with the very ideas you say they should have defended : cheer up, life is difficult but life can be brilliant as long as you look straight up, building a cocoon to defend yourself is pointless and self-destructive. On the other hand, Gundam Wing is typically an empty anime made just for fanservice purposes so young boys can feel less shitty about their lives. And don't even get me started on worse examples like Love Hina... This is what led many people to threaten Gainax in in many ways : they wanted pure entertainment, just like pigs who'd become violent once you stop feeding them their daily garbage. On a side note, works of art don't have "messages". As Hitchcock said, "messages are for postmen". If you could reduce a song, a movie or a book to a single sentence, then what is the point of it in the first place? So, you are imagining that sort of meaning to the ending of Evangelion? Seems kinda different from what I remember in End of Evangelion, with everyone in the world being turned into tang by Albino Midgets (essentially, every dies), leaving only Asuka and Shinji alive, and then ends with Shinji waking up and strangling Asuka. Additionally, to clarify as to who Tomino is, he was the one who created the orginal Mobile Suit Gundam, and many others in the series (such as happy shows like Zeta Gundam and Victory Gundam), but Gundam Wing was not done by him. Gundam Wing was done by Masashi Ikeda. Its also viewed upon poorly by most Gundam fans, myself included, so I dunno what point you are trying to make by talking about it. This is what led many people to threaten Gainax in in many ways : they wanted pure entertainment, just like pigs who'd become violent once you stop feeding them their daily garbage. lol, people "threatening" Gainex, entertainment being likened to garbage. What a great thread this is. Oh yeah, you couldn't possibly be comparing people who don't like Evangelion or don't appreciate it as much as you, pigs, are you? That would be very rude and against the nature of this topic. | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On September 19 2012 12:07 Sentenal wrote: So, you are imagining that sort of meaning to the ending of Evangelion? Seems kinda different from what I remember in End of Evangelion, with everyone in the world being turned into tang by Albino Reis (essentially, every dies), leaving only Asuka and Shinji alive, and then ends with Shinji waking up and strangling Asuka. Additionally, to clarify as to who Tomino is, he was the one who created the orginal Mobile Suit Gundam, and many others in the series (such as happy shows like Zeta Gundam and Victory Gundam), but Gundam Wing was not done by him. Gundam Wing was done by Masashi Ikeda. Its also viewed upon poorly by most Gundam fans, myself included, so I dunno what point you are trying to make by talking about it. lol, people "threatening" Gainex, entertainment being likened to garbage. What a great thread this is. The "everyone turning to tang" is human instrumentality that shinji ends up stopping from happening, completing his char arc. Episodes 25 and 26 are a lot clearer with shinji's char arc and how he can't continue his angst and depression and cocooning himself from any interaction because he could be hurt, that humans are defined by their interactions and he needs other people regardless of whether they hurt him or not. Shinji is not supposed to start as a "likeable" char, all those unlikeable traits about him are condemned by the show, it's where the char ends up that is the important part. He's supposed to start unlikeable, but through his journey show that he is empathizable and worthy of redemption through what he learns, which leads him to stop instrumentality. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On September 19 2012 12:07 Sentenal wrote: So, you are imagining that sort of meaning to the ending of Evangelion? Seems kinda different from what I remember in End of Evangelion, with everyone in the world being turned into tang by Albino Reis (essentially, every dies), leaving only Asuka and Shinji alive, and then ends with Shinji waking up and strangling Asuka. The post above clarified things nicely. Shinji was suppose to melt in the "soup of life", like everyone else. But the strenght of his will ultimately kept him alive as an individual. Also, the End of Evangelion is just the concrete illustration of episodes 24, 25 and 26 from the show (which you apparently haven't seen). On September 19 2012 12:07 Sentenal wrote: lol, people "threatening" Gainex, entertainment being likened to garbage. What a great thread this is. Oh yeah, you couldn't possibly be comparing people who don't like Evangelion or don't appreciate it as much as you, pigs, are you? That would be very rude and against the nature of this topic. There were people who sent death threats to Gainax beacause they weren't satisfied with the ending of the show. They wanted ecchi and robots, and they got philosophy. I call these obsessed people "pigs", yes. And they liked Evangelion, they liked it so much it was like a drug to them, apparently. | ||
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