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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On November 08 2014 23:58 Fildun wrote: + Show Spoiler + Eh, I actually found Kuvira more sympathetic than the good guys in the last episode, like it's kinda reasonable to arrest people when they try to break into your camp and kill you and I don't see how Korra saw that part as unfair. Also she just simply won 1v1 so yeah... and then they also don't abide by the terms for the fight set by Korra and Kuvira. + Show Spoiler + if you would leave out the reeducation camps I think she would be "gooder" than most good guys in the show. | ||
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
On November 09 2014 04:46 sabas123 wrote: + Show Spoiler + if you would leave out the reeducation camps I think she would be "gooder" than most good guys in the show. + Show Spoiler + I'm not inclined to agree with you guys. Being good doesn't mean being lawful. In RPG terms Korra and the gang can be considered Chaotic Good while Kuvira is clearly of the Lawful Evil alignment in my opinion. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
One of the more unusual hybrid animals they thought up in the Avatarverse, glad they animated it at least once. On November 09 2014 00:01 BlackMagister wrote: The point of Aang's shell is it goes against the criticism of LoK firebending being weak since it can't blast through rock or heat isn't a danger when TLA had the same problem. It was normal earth bending rock made in a sphere which in theory any earth bender can make the same toughness, it's not like Aang spent a long time making the sphere or used the Avatar state to make it. Aang was also being cooked alive with comet powered firebending and was fine. It's implied Aang would have eventually died, but got out in time so he was just uncomfortable, it didn't cause any lasting harm. Ozai was pretty much messing around for the first few shots, Aang was holding that shell together with all his strength, and it still didn't take all that long to break through it. You could also compare Zuko fighting the earthbender in Zuko Alone to any of the fire vs earth battles in Korra, which does definitely show a difference. Fire definitely is supposed to give you the ability to break through stuff, not just make flames. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Why didn't Korra just go Avatar State to begin the fight? This isn't a joke. It could've been a duel to the death followed by the enslavement of a continent.  | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
On November 09 2014 08:10 kuresuti wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm not inclined to agree with you guys. Being good doesn't mean being lawful. In RPG terms Korra and the gang can be considered Chaotic Good while Kuvira is clearly of the Lawful Evil alignment in my opinion. + Show Spoiler + I think Kuvira is lawful neutral. She follows her own agenda and brings good as well as bad for some. She is only harming people when they stand in her way so far. She's overambitious, but not a sadist by any means. Kuvira is mostly the "hard but fair" type. Except for the work and reeducation camps. On November 08 2014 18:29 Spaylz wrote: Ehhh.. I agree with the general impression that firebending is less of a threat. It is a plot device, because fire was just "the enemy" in TLA, even to Aang, seeing as he was afraid of it and reluctant to use it (the element itself). However, it hasn't become irrelevant. Firebending is by and large what Korra uses the most. It often comprises her first blow, and at least 50% of her attacks. What I will agree with, is that airbending seems to be by far the most powerful bending, especially with the showcasing of Zaheer's breathbending technique. That was already sort of the case in TLA, because Aang rarely used the other elements when not in the Avatar State, and his airbending was enough to defeat almost anyone. But now, it seems to be even more powerful. Korra used airbending to defeat Amon, and he couldn't do anything about it. Air is also the first element used to subdue Vaatu, both by Wan and Korra. She again used it to "kick" Unalaq through the spirit portal, and well, Book 3 was all about airbending. And in this final fight, it is what she uses in the Avatar State against Kuvira, and again she's powerless to fight it. It makes sense, seeing as air is all around no matter where you are, and that it's hard to do anything when you're being carried off like a bunch of leaves. It's also the one bending art that people have sort of forgotten how to fight, so that matters as well. + Show Spoiler + I dont get the feeling that fireblasts are in any way different to windblasts, so far they have been only knocking people back. The fire wall didnt do anything to Aman when he jumped right through it for example. Fire is the new katon. I always thought that Aang used mostly airbending because he was bad at using the other elements/used to airbending the most (we got side chars who can use the other elements). Korra on the other hand uses firebending often, but never accomplishes anything with it. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
On November 09 2014 08:11 LegalLord wrote: Ozai was pretty much messing around for the first few shots, Aang was holding that shell together with all his strength, and it still didn't take all that long to break through it. You could also compare Zuko fighting the earthbender in Zuko Alone to any of the fire vs earth battles in Korra, which does definitely show a difference. Fire definitely is supposed to give you the ability to break through stuff, not just make flames. Did you rewatch the fight? I linked it. Ozai blasts at Aang for 40 seconds maybe more since this is an edited video. Those weren't weak blasts, Ozai had to pull out a special move in order to bust the earth shell. Ozai is a master fire bender with enhanced abilities while Aang was probably somewhere below master at earth bending. If Aang could hold against that then why can't any earth bender block fire if they just try enough plus most earth benders just block briefly before fighting with their shield. If fire really does bust through earth shouldn't Aang have to reinforce the earth? Are you trying to say Zuko's fire bending was stronger than Ozai's comet fire bending? I don't disagree that fire has the potential to break earth, but it's a matter of skill between the users and when they're equal skilled earth can block fire as it specializes in defense. The dude Zuko fights in Zuko alone is not a great representation of earth bender defense he has a purely offensive style. He was winning with his style, but then Zuko surprises him by using fire bending then blasts the tiny earth wall he has as defense that lasted half a second. Clip below + Show Spoiler + | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Yeah, it doesn't burn people when they get hit but in this episode Kuvira didn't get hit by fire. More importantly it's not that big of a deal to be arguing about. Also how is Kuvira going to use the domes to fire death lasers? They don't have satellites so they'd have to reflect them using blimps? Also Kuvira looks a lot stupider for challenging the Avatar to a fist fight. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Fire doesn't break through earth very easily and that's not what I'm saying. But the way fire is used in LoK basically doesn't take advantage of any of its strengths, one of which is enhanced physical strength/breaking ability. Instead, it is used as just fire, which is very easily countered by rock and is very well exploited by Kuvira's more precise and disruptive metalbending style. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Also I'm still not sure in what example did you want a firebender to break earth with firebending in LoK. When Korra fought Kuvira none of Korra's shots were blocked by earthbending, Kuvira was simply able to read Korra's movements and dodge all of Korra's bending with minimal movements. The only bending Kuvira blocked was earthbending because she could control the element too. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
need more development between them because they are awesome | ||
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
I don't think fire bending is the only bending that looks weak, honestly they all look pretty lack luster in LoK. I would really like if the show had some top tier benders fighting. Most of the benders, with the exception of Zaheer (now that guy knew exactly how to exploit the capabilities of air bending), are really under utilizing the capabilities of their elements. Even when Korra goes into the avatar state, she just throws rocks while jumping around. I would really like an earth bender to make tsunami-sized waves of sand, then use it to try to exhaust/suffocate his opponent through sheer force. Or perhaps a water bender, who constantly rushs thousands of gallons of water at an opponent from all sides, just to get a bit of the water to connect with the opponent so he/she could start slowly freezing the opponent into submission. More or less, I would just like to see someone use their abilities to their full potential. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
As for Korra I agree she has never really shown the same level of power that Aang did. The problem is Korra gained control over the Avatar state in the book 1 finale which was supposed to be the series finale, but Nick requested more books. So we've had lots of plot devices that prevented Korra from being able to use the Avatar state fully from spirits that seem immune to bending, to being kidnapped, poisoned and now a spiritual/mental problem. Hopefully we will get a finale where Korra gets to go all out like Aang in the TLA finale. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 09 2014 10:55 BlackMagister wrote: Ok now it's about how firebending is used rather than firebending being weaker in LoK. The best firebenders in LoK are Korra, Mako, Iroh II and Zuko ignoring P'Li. They did Zuko poorly in LoK so the strongest firebender would probably be Iroh II. I'm willing to accept that maybe that's the real problem here. There just aren't enough skilled firebenders to really bring its strengths out. I don't think that Korra's problem is a lack of power, but more so that she isn't very good at using it. Her enemies always exploit her rashness very effectively. On the other hand, I think that Aang and friends wouldn't really fare too much better against Team Zaheer or Amon etc. if they chose to go for a straight fight (which they wouldn't). | ||
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Miragee
8657 Posts
Hm, episode was kind of weak. Everything with the attempted assassination of Kuvira and the fight between her and Korra was predictable. Varriks on the other hand was great. I'm also very interested in Yulee (or however it's spelled) and how she will act. On November 07 2014 23:23 malcram wrote: themes of communism and a possible nuclear arms race of sorts. definitely can see the threat of blowing a city up with this spirit vine energy bomb thingamajig happening. mee lo though... lol "communism"... How the hell? Please don't use words if you don't understand their meaning. On November 09 2014 08:16 obesechicken13 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why didn't Korra just go Avatar State to begin the fight? This isn't a joke. It could've been a duel to the death followed by the enslavement of a continent. + Show Spoiler + Because that isn't what the Avatarstate is made for. She should not using it for personal benefits to fight others. She also probably had some bad memories left and tried to win without using it and not risking of falling back. | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On November 10 2014 06:58 Miragee wrote: "communism"... How the hell? Please don't use words if you don't understand their meaning. Accusing the city of hoarding it's riches and promising to redistribute them across the empire. Telling the soldiers she would not order them to do something she isn't willing to do aka everyone is equal. edit I don't want to derail the thread too much, so I'll just edit this in and leave it at that. A basic ideal of communism is that it's a classless society. Everyone is equal. | ||
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Miragee
8657 Posts
On November 10 2014 07:14 sashkata wrote: Accusing the city of hoarding it's riches and promising to redistribute them across the empire. Telling the soldiers she would not order them to do something she isn't willing to do aka everyone is equal. Well ok, the first one is part of communism. But it can exist without communism as well, it isn't bound to it. The second has nothing to do with communism. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On November 10 2014 07:14 sashkata wrote: Accusing the city of hoarding it's riches and promising to redistribute them across the empire. Telling the soldiers she would not order them to do something she isn't willing to do aka everyone is equal. edit I don't want to derail the thread too much, so I'll just edit this in and leave it at that. A basic ideal of communism is that it's a classless society. Everyone is equal. Did she actually accuse Zao Fu of hoarding wealth though? I only recall her accusing them of hoarding technology, which isn't exactly a nice thing to do. | ||
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Foblos
United States426 Posts
On November 10 2014 08:10 Millitron wrote: Did she actually accuse Zao Fu of hoarding wealth though? I only recall her accusing them of hoarding technology, which isn't exactly a nice thing to do. It's essentially the same thing. In the real world modernized nations send laptops and other learning tech to impoverished nations to help the next generation make things better. Preventing that removes opportunities for them to improve their future. | ||
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