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On November 04 2014 06:26 ]343[ wrote:When an Avatar gains full control of the Avatar state, he/she only needs to do the "temporary" activation to get the necessary power to do whatever they want to do (see this article); as Warri mentioned, this happens when Roku talks about it to Aang, when Kyoshi separates Kyoshi Island from the mainland, when Aang fights Yakone, and when Aang raises / lowers the water in the finale of AtLA. The "continuous" Avatar state is a defense mechanism (as stated by Roku in "The Avatar State") that activates when an Avatar (subconsciously) feels like there's nothing else they can do. It's a desperation move that leaves the Avatar Spirit vulnerable.
I don't think that's accurate.
In A:TLA, Aang entered the Avatar State "unconsciously", yes. When he was in genuine danger, it triggered and he just wrecked everything.
In LoK however, it's different. Korra clearly enters the Avatar State at will, it's not a defense mechanism. She uses it very consciously to increase her own power.
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Any time we have seen a protracted battle in the Avatar state, it has lead to massive amounts of destruction. Two of the times it has been depicted as an angry, fire breathing god roaring with rage and destroying everything. All those fights were in remote locations(because story and its easier that way), so not one has died, but that won't be the case in the current season.
When you enter the avatar state in combat, you do it to murder fools and break shit.
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On November 04 2014 06:29 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 06:26 ]343[ wrote:When an Avatar gains full control of the Avatar state, he/she only needs to do the "temporary" activation to get the necessary power to do whatever they want to do (see this article); as Warri mentioned, this happens when Roku talks about it to Aang, when Kyoshi separates Kyoshi Island from the mainland, when Aang fights Yakone, and when Aang raises / lowers the water in the finale of AtLA. The "continuous" Avatar state is a defense mechanism (as stated by Roku in "The Avatar State") that activates when an Avatar (subconsciously) feels like there's nothing else they can do. It's a desperation move that leaves the Avatar Spirit vulnerable. I don't think that's accurate. In A:TLA, Aang entered the Avatar State "unconsciously", yes. When he was in genuine danger, it triggered and he just wrecked everything. In LoK however, it's different. Korra clearly enters the Avatar State at will, it's not a defense mechanism. She uses it very consciously to increase her own power.
When does she enter the "continuous" Avatar state at will?
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On November 04 2014 09:28 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 06:29 Spaylz wrote:On November 04 2014 06:26 ]343[ wrote:When an Avatar gains full control of the Avatar state, he/she only needs to do the "temporary" activation to get the necessary power to do whatever they want to do (see this article); as Warri mentioned, this happens when Roku talks about it to Aang, when Kyoshi separates Kyoshi Island from the mainland, when Aang fights Yakone, and when Aang raises / lowers the water in the finale of AtLA. The "continuous" Avatar state is a defense mechanism (as stated by Roku in "The Avatar State") that activates when an Avatar (subconsciously) feels like there's nothing else they can do. It's a desperation move that leaves the Avatar Spirit vulnerable. I don't think that's accurate. In A:TLA, Aang entered the Avatar State "unconsciously", yes. When he was in genuine danger, it triggered and he just wrecked everything. In LoK however, it's different. Korra clearly enters the Avatar State at will, it's not a defense mechanism. She uses it very consciously to increase her own power. When does she enter the "continuous" Avatar state at will?
Never! Glad someone else is realizing it. Other then vs zaheer it's literally seconds worth, she does it vs unu/vatuu longer, but not continuous like against zaheer or aang vs ozai. It always kind of bugged me, I wish they had just not given Korra the avatar state mastery until season 4 as you can tell they don't let her go into it because it's supposed to wreck anybodies shit.
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Its not like a power up in a video game, the Avatar state is shown as being a scary, powerful force that is used sparingly. It terrified Aang and Korra is just as scary when she goes into full combat avatar. She is yelled in the beginning of season 2 for using it to win a race. Also, the fact that if she is killed while in the state will end the cycle makes is something you don't just use to heat your coffee.
Even in a fight, I doubt any Avatar would break it out unless they were forced to do so. There is merit to "walk softly and carry a big stick".
The real question is "what reason would she have to enter the avatar state", beyond the end of season 3 when they were actively trying to kill her and she risked ending the cycle.
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On November 04 2014 09:28 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 06:29 Spaylz wrote:On November 04 2014 06:26 ]343[ wrote:When an Avatar gains full control of the Avatar state, he/she only needs to do the "temporary" activation to get the necessary power to do whatever they want to do (see this article); as Warri mentioned, this happens when Roku talks about it to Aang, when Kyoshi separates Kyoshi Island from the mainland, when Aang fights Yakone, and when Aang raises / lowers the water in the finale of AtLA. The "continuous" Avatar state is a defense mechanism (as stated by Roku in "The Avatar State") that activates when an Avatar (subconsciously) feels like there's nothing else they can do. It's a desperation move that leaves the Avatar Spirit vulnerable. I don't think that's accurate. In A:TLA, Aang entered the Avatar State "unconsciously", yes. When he was in genuine danger, it triggered and he just wrecked everything. In LoK however, it's different. Korra clearly enters the Avatar State at will, it's not a defense mechanism. She uses it very consciously to increase her own power. When does she enter the "continuous" Avatar state at will?
She does it against Unalaq and Vaatu. Several times. She does it once when she fights Vaatu alone to lock him back up, and she does it again when she's fighting their fused version.
edit: Either way, I wasn't arguing that she enters the Avatar State continuously at will. I was arguing that she enters it at will regardless of the duration. Which she does. Never has Korra entered the Avatar State in the manner to which Aang did, which is as a defense mechanism. The only time she entered it unvoluntarily was due to the poison, against Zaheer and the Red Lotus.
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since the waiting feels so incredibly long for the next ep, does know an anime that has somehting similair when it comes down to character development?
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I see Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood often recommended to that question, but i havent watched it myself yet.
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On November 06 2014 05:12 sabas123 wrote:
since the waiting feels so incredibly long for the next ep, does know an anime that has somehting similair when it comes down to character development?
As the other poster said, FMA: Brotherhood is similar when it comes to character development, but the target demographic is a little older.
I'd also recommend Wakfu.
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Awesome episode.
+ Show Spoiler +Seems Korra has some unresolved issues. Makes sense, it wasn't all going to go away after a magic session with Toph. If it's not the poison, it's probably PTSD.
Nevertheless, it's pretty obvious that Korra's power is unmatched in the Avatar State. She quickly rolled over Kuvira as soon as she entered it. I am now confident that the final fight will be much like Ozai vs. Aang, with Korra absolutely destroying Kuvira.
Can't wait.
Also, Varrick is getting some great character development. I'm loving it. And Baatar seems to be stepping up as a bigger side-villain too. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes full madman and manages to manufacture a lesser bomb/weapon which he will then use to threaten someone.
Damn, why do we have to get one episode per week?!
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+ Show Spoiler +I think Kuvira is actually going to find a way to fight against the Avatar State. Kuvira looked pretty shaken by Korra's use of it - she definitely didn't have the confidence she had at the beginning of the battle. I doubt she would just attack again without thinking up a way to counter it.
I really liked the way that Varrick played on Baatar's inferiority complex. It was just a small quip, but I think it was definitely one of his better moments.
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Good episode overall, I'm feeling the week-long wait this season quite a bit more than previous ones.
+ Show Spoiler +Thought I would've liked to see a bigger display of the disparity between Avatar State and normal bending master skill/power it's still pretty obvious Kuvira stands no chance right now. She'll probably resort to threatening a major city with the bomb Baatar manages to build along with Zhu Li. However, since Zhu Li is obviously not working for the bad guys it's going to backfire and Korra will have no reason to hold back against Kuvira in their final duel. What's left to see is how exactly Korra will overcome her problem and what other side-plot they'll form between now and the end of the season. Personally hoping for a resolution to Toph's story with why she spent so much time at The Swamp.
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+ Show Spoiler +Thinking back on it, the perception that Korra's Avatar State is weaker than Aang's could come from the fact that the opponents she faces were either extraordinary, or benefited from special circumstances.
As it stands, with that last battle in mind, it seems clear that no human can match the power of the Avatar State. So, looking back... Korra hadn't unlocked the Avatar State when she was fighting Amon, so irrelevant there. She used it against UnaVaatu, which in theory should be on par with her in terms of power. And she used it against Zaheer, but was suffering from the poison.
Hmm... I don't know. Overall, I'm still feeling that Korra's Avatar State is weaker, mostly because Aang's displays of power were just astonishing. Maybe we have that coming in Book 4 for Korra though, I'm definitely feeling it.
Also, could we maybe see the poison being reintroduced somehow? I mean, it is metal... meaning Kuvira could bend it into Korra somehow. Perhaps she will cooperate with the Red Lotus to procure the poison for herself, and counter the Avatar State that way. Thus revealing her true evil side to the world, with everyone turning against her. It could even be how Zaheer is featured back in the plot?
I don't think it's likely, might sound a bit too tinfoil... but I personally think the poison might come into play somehow. It's the only known counter to the Avatar State, other than blackmailing Korra somehow.
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themes of communism and a possible nuclear arms race of sorts. definitely can see the threat of blowing a city up with this spirit vine energy bomb thingamajig happening.
mee lo though... lol
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+ Show Spoiler +I really like the where the plot is heading, For the sake of the story I think it was better that zaofu fell, and that could only be done if there was something wrong with korras avatar state. so it made sense that she freaked out^^
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On November 07 2014 21:12 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think Kuvira is actually going to find a way to fight against the Avatar State. Kuvira looked pretty shaken by Korra's use of it - she definitely didn't have the confidence she had at the beginning of the battle. I doubt she would just attack again without thinking up a way to counter it.
I really liked the way that Varrick played on Baatar's inferiority complex. It was just a small quip, but I think it was definitely one of his better moments.
+ Show Spoiler +She'll probably use mercury like the one she was bending with the end of the episode.
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+ Show Spoiler +The issues with Korra are now either PTSD, Raava fighting back/not being in tune with Korra or a mixture of both. Assuming its just PTSD then it probably is her fear of dying when in the Avatar state because of her right with Unalaaq back in season 2, and how she broke the cycle the first time. I don't know how she will overcome that fear... Maybe its just lack of confidence in herself? Like logically she knows she can do these things and has the power to do the right thing, but she needs to be confident in her own abilities as Korra the bender, before she can be confident in her job as the Avatar.
What we will end up seeing is Korra beating Kuvira in the end in a straight up duel WITHOUT her going into the Avatar state, and only enters it to diffuse/redirect the spirit vine energy nuke that is Kuvira's "fuck it let's blow up the world" plan.
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On November 08 2014 03:03 yrba1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 21:12 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think Kuvira is actually going to find a way to fight against the Avatar State. Kuvira looked pretty shaken by Korra's use of it - she definitely didn't have the confidence she had at the beginning of the battle. I doubt she would just attack again without thinking up a way to counter it.
I really liked the way that Varrick played on Baatar's inferiority complex. It was just a small quip, but I think it was definitely one of his better moments. + Show Spoiler +She'll probably use mercury like the one she was bending with the end of the episode.
+ Show Spoiler +I thought that that was just one of the pieces of training metal that Korra used to learn metalbending.
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On November 08 2014 03:38 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 03:03 yrba1 wrote:On November 07 2014 21:12 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think Kuvira is actually going to find a way to fight against the Avatar State. Kuvira looked pretty shaken by Korra's use of it - she definitely didn't have the confidence she had at the beginning of the battle. I doubt she would just attack again without thinking up a way to counter it.
I really liked the way that Varrick played on Baatar's inferiority complex. It was just a small quip, but I think it was definitely one of his better moments. + Show Spoiler +She'll probably use mercury like the one she was bending with the end of the episode. + Show Spoiler +I thought that that was just one of the pieces of training metal that Korra used to learn metalbending.
+ Show Spoiler +Either way, she has a trump card against Korra. The mercury bending scene just seems to foreshadow it.
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