Really liked the short Asami arc, and I suspect it may end up tieing in with the plot in some way.
Also, Zhu Li gotta be one of my favourite characters in this show. :D
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Motlu
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Really liked the short Asami arc, and I suspect it may end up tieing in with the plot in some way. Also, Zhu Li gotta be one of my favourite characters in this show. :D | ||
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Spaylz
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I will personally keep a close eye on that storyline. Also, upon reseeing the episode, I don't see Zhu Li's betrayal as genuine. That scene where Varrick saves her and they share a somewhat romantic moment pretty much tells me she won't turn. At least, it's what I think. Moreover, Varrick's recent (albeit still minor) change of heart and his refusal to carry on with the spirit weapon also steers him in that direction. A direction where he quits berating Zhu Li and becomes more caring. Regarding the Avatar State... Korra's state was always less powerful than Aang. By the end of TLA, Aang was super powerful. He made the level of the sea rise for crying out loud. Also, Korra always needed help to vanquish her enemies. In Book 1, it was Mako, in Book 2, it was (Deus Ex) Jinora, and in Book 3 it was Jinora + the other airbenders (granted she had to fight both Zaheer and the poison, otherwise I believe she would have won handily). What I would personally like would be for Korra to achieve the true power of the Avatar by the end of the show. I would want her to crush Kuvira by a landslide the way Aang did Ozai. As it stands, and while she can enter the Avatar State at will, I don't consider Korra a fully realised Avatar. She still lacks the power and discipline Aang and the other powerful Avatars had. Time will tell. I'm confident that they will deliver a satisfying ending, as so far Book 4 is looking great. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). | ||
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Fi0na
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On November 01 2014 20:32 Spaylz wrote: What I would personally like would be for Korra to achieve the true power of the Avatar by the end of the show. I would want her to crush Kuvira by a landslide the way Aang did Ozai. As it stands, and while she can enter the Avatar State at will, I don't consider Korra a fully realised Avatar. She still lacks the power and discipline Aang and the other powerful Avatars had. I would love for Korra to retire from the show and officially allow Bolin to be the main character. And Asami. Also I really would like to see Bolin become slightly smarter. Not noticing the evil Kuvira is up to, sloppy escape for Varrick, and then he turns himself in so Varrick does not get killed even though Varrick is essential to weaponizing the spirit power and won't be killed anyway. And drown the entire valley of Kuviras army in lava ![]() By the way, I too believe it was a fake submission of Varricks assistant. They do have a thing going on, and she probably figured this was the best way to do what Varrick wanted to do, warn the others about the super weapon. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 02 2014 02:28 blade55555 wrote: I don't get why you guys say Korra's avatar state was weaker. She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). She used it twice against spirits. Once against a fish spirit before getting eaten, and once against a land one. Then again against spirit snake/dragon/vine things to open the southern portal. Did you even watch season 2? | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On November 02 2014 02:28 blade55555 wrote: I don't get why you guys say Korra's avatar state was weaker. She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). I strongly suggest you rewatch the whole show. I recently did with a friend, and I was under the same impression as you beforehand. In reality though, she uses it twice at the very end of Book 1, and she uses it in nearly every episode of Book 2. And I really mean nearly, almost once per episode. Come on, she uses it to win an airball race against Tenzin's kids. | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
On November 02 2014 02:44 Fi0na wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2014 20:32 Spaylz wrote: What I would personally like would be for Korra to achieve the true power of the Avatar by the end of the show. I would want her to crush Kuvira by a landslide the way Aang did Ozai. As it stands, and while she can enter the Avatar State at will, I don't consider Korra a fully realised Avatar. She still lacks the power and discipline Aang and the other powerful Avatars had. I would love for Korra to retire from the show and officially allow Bolin to be the main character. And Asami. Also I really would like to see Bolin become slightly smarter. Not noticing the evil Kuvira is up to, sloppy escape for Varrick, and then he turns himself in so Varrick does not get killed even though Varrick is essential to weaponizing the spirit power and won't be killed anyway. And drown the entire valley of Kuviras army in lava ![]() By the way, I too believe it was a fake submission of Varricks assistant. They do have a thing going on, and she probably figured this was the best way to do what Varrick wanted to do, warn the others about the super weapon. i don't really blame bolin. He was tricked and manipulated. He saw the good but not the bad. It's also hard to think of the people treating you nicely as evil. Even in real life, if your friends do questionable stuff, or your family does questionable stuff, you probably won't report them to the police or whatever. The whole Earth Kingdom situation is not just a problem caused by Kuvira but also the people following her. The people running the "slave camps" and "re-education camps" are all responsible. How could generally good people end up doing such vile evil? One possible source of blame is the previous Earth Queen and people who could have dealt with the Earth Queen's evil and corruption. Under her rule, there was widespread inequality and abuse of power. But what could have been done? How do you stop her without violating the sovereignty of the Earth Monarchy. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 02 2014 03:08 Spaylz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 02:28 blade55555 wrote: I don't get why you guys say Korra's avatar state was weaker. She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). I strongly suggest you rewatch the whole show. I recently did with a friend, and I was under the same impression as you beforehand. In reality though, she uses it twice at the very end of Book 1, and she uses it in nearly every episode of Book 2. And I really mean nearly, almost once per episode. Come on, she uses it to win an airball race against Tenzin's kids. I should rephrase. I meant more for combat purposes. She has used it more then twice at the end of book 1 (1 for showing it, the other for restoring bending). And by combat main combat not for things like airball against tenzin's kids. I did forget about the spirit that she went into the avatar state for 3 seconds (which always bothered me. Whenever she went avatar state against those spirits it was the briefest thing and that made no sense to me). Season 3 was only once and I still think it's kind of silly she didn't do it before she got captured but whatever they needed to have her captured .But the two times we actually see it for more then a few seconds were end of season 2 and end of season 3. End of season 2 was equal fight in terms of raw power, season 3 she had poison and that weakened her a lot and well we know how that ended. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On November 02 2014 02:44 Fi0na wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2014 20:32 Spaylz wrote: What I would personally like would be for Korra to achieve the true power of the Avatar by the end of the show. I would want her to crush Kuvira by a landslide the way Aang did Ozai. As it stands, and while she can enter the Avatar State at will, I don't consider Korra a fully realised Avatar. She still lacks the power and discipline Aang and the other powerful Avatars had. I would love for Korra to retire from the show and officially allow Bolin to be the main character. And Asami. Also I really would like to see Bolin become slightly smarter. Not noticing the evil Kuvira is up to, sloppy escape for Varrick, and then he turns himself in so Varrick does not get killed even though Varrick is essential to weaponizing the spirit power and won't be killed anyway. And drown the entire valley of Kuviras army in lava ![]() By the way, I too believe it was a fake submission of Varricks assistant. They do have a thing going on, and she probably figured this was the best way to do what Varrick wanted to do, warn the others about the super weapon. I don't think it was that he didn't notice, I just think that it's part of his character to really try to see the best in people. I think he truly believed that Kuvira was trying to help, and *couldn't* let himself see the truth until it slapped him in the face. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On November 02 2014 06:32 blade55555 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 03:08 Spaylz wrote: On November 02 2014 02:28 blade55555 wrote: I don't get why you guys say Korra's avatar state was weaker. She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). I strongly suggest you rewatch the whole show. I recently did with a friend, and I was under the same impression as you beforehand. In reality though, she uses it twice at the very end of Book 1, and she uses it in nearly every episode of Book 2. And I really mean nearly, almost once per episode. Come on, she uses it to win an airball race against Tenzin's kids. I should rephrase. I meant more for combat purposes. She has used it more then twice at the end of book 1 (1 for showing it, the other for restoring bending). And by combat main combat not for things like airball against tenzin's kids. I did forget about the spirit that she went into the avatar state for 3 seconds (which always bothered me. Whenever she went avatar state against those spirits it was the briefest thing and that made no sense to me). Season 3 was only once and I still think it's kind of silly she didn't do it before she got captured but whatever they needed to have her captured .But the two times we actually see it for more then a few seconds were end of season 2 and end of season 3. End of season 2 was equal fight in terms of raw power, season 3 she had poison and that weakened her a lot and well we know how that ended. I was talking about in-combat situations too, mostly. Really, go watch it again, not being pedantic here. I was surprised to see just how often she uses it. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 02 2014 07:16 Spaylz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 06:32 blade55555 wrote: On November 02 2014 03:08 Spaylz wrote: On November 02 2014 02:28 blade55555 wrote: I don't get why you guys say Korra's avatar state was weaker. She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). I strongly suggest you rewatch the whole show. I recently did with a friend, and I was under the same impression as you beforehand. In reality though, she uses it twice at the very end of Book 1, and she uses it in nearly every episode of Book 2. And I really mean nearly, almost once per episode. Come on, she uses it to win an airball race against Tenzin's kids. I should rephrase. I meant more for combat purposes. She has used it more then twice at the end of book 1 (1 for showing it, the other for restoring bending). And by combat main combat not for things like airball against tenzin's kids. I did forget about the spirit that she went into the avatar state for 3 seconds (which always bothered me. Whenever she went avatar state against those spirits it was the briefest thing and that made no sense to me). Season 3 was only once and I still think it's kind of silly she didn't do it before she got captured but whatever they needed to have her captured .But the two times we actually see it for more then a few seconds were end of season 2 and end of season 3. End of season 2 was equal fight in terms of raw power, season 3 she had poison and that weakened her a lot and well we know how that ended. I was talking about in-combat situations too, mostly. Really, go watch it again, not being pedantic here. I was surprised to see just how often she uses it. I know I already commented on it. I also commented how she would go into the avatar state but for only a few seconds in those fights and wasn't sustained for longer then what 15 seconds? unlike the fight with vatuu and zaheer. | ||
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Archeon
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On November 02 2014 06:00 jodogohoo wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 02:44 Fi0na wrote: On November 01 2014 20:32 Spaylz wrote: What I would personally like would be for Korra to achieve the true power of the Avatar by the end of the show. I would want her to crush Kuvira by a landslide the way Aang did Ozai. As it stands, and while she can enter the Avatar State at will, I don't consider Korra a fully realised Avatar. She still lacks the power and discipline Aang and the other powerful Avatars had. I would love for Korra to retire from the show and officially allow Bolin to be the main character. And Asami. Also I really would like to see Bolin become slightly smarter. Not noticing the evil Kuvira is up to, sloppy escape for Varrick, and then he turns himself in so Varrick does not get killed even though Varrick is essential to weaponizing the spirit power and won't be killed anyway. And drown the entire valley of Kuviras army in lava ![]() By the way, I too believe it was a fake submission of Varricks assistant. They do have a thing going on, and she probably figured this was the best way to do what Varrick wanted to do, warn the others about the super weapon. i don't really blame bolin. He was tricked and manipulated. He saw the good but not the bad. It's also hard to think of the people treating you nicely as evil. Even in real life, if your friends do questionable stuff, or your family does questionable stuff, you probably won't report them to the police or whatever. The whole Earth Kingdom situation is not just a problem caused by Kuvira but also the people following her. The people running the "slave camps" and "re-education camps" are all responsible. How could generally good people end up doing such vile evil? One possible source of blame is the previous Earth Queen and people who could have dealt with the Earth Queen's evil and corruption. Under her rule, there was widespread inequality and abuse of power. But what could have been done? How do you stop her without violating the sovereignty of the Earth Monarchy. Sovereignty is there to guarantee that you remain in power. From what we have seen Zahir killing the earth queen is the best thing that could have happened to the earth kingdom. We havent seen the slave camps and re-education camps. Unless Zhu Li changes her side back immediately we will hopefully get to see it from Bolins perspective. So far I dont get what Kuvira needs them for except maybe for weapon factories. That being said making "good" people do bad things is easy, you just need to give them the impression that the people they do the evil to are evil. This "eye for an eye" philosophy is really wide spread in the western world. I have seen multiple times that normal people argue that violent criminals shouldnt be treated as normal humans (for example life-long prison no matter if a psychiatrist tells you that they are healed, death penalty, "give them to the families of the victims"...). I think the one to blame mostly is Su tbh. Take the power that is served to you or stop whining if other people abuse it. On November 02 2014 06:32 blade55555 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 03:08 Spaylz wrote: On November 02 2014 02:28 blade55555 wrote: I don't get why you guys say Korra's avatar state was weaker. She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). I strongly suggest you rewatch the whole show. I recently did with a friend, and I was under the same impression as you beforehand. In reality though, she uses it twice at the very end of Book 1, and she uses it in nearly every episode of Book 2. And I really mean nearly, almost once per episode. Come on, she uses it to win an airball race against Tenzin's kids. I should rephrase. I meant more for combat purposes. She has used it more then twice at the end of book 1 (1 for showing it, the other for restoring bending). And by combat main combat not for things like airball against tenzin's kids. I did forget about the spirit that she went into the avatar state for 3 seconds (which always bothered me. Whenever she went avatar state against those spirits it was the briefest thing and that made no sense to me). Season 3 was only once and I still think it's kind of silly she didn't do it before she got captured but whatever they needed to have her captured .But the two times we actually see it for more then a few seconds were end of season 2 and end of season 3. End of season 2 was equal fight in terms of raw power, season 3 she had poison and that weakened her a lot and well we know how that ended. After re-watching some scenes from TLoA i have to agree with the people that said that Aangs was way stronger. Also Korra has lost every single time she went into Avatar state (except for the airball race). Given, mostly against spirits who are immune to her power, but the fight against Zahir made it look like she goes braindead when she activates it (lost against the poison she could have just bent out of her body) and Unavatuu beat her with only one element. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:25 blade55555 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 07:16 Spaylz wrote: On November 02 2014 06:32 blade55555 wrote: On November 02 2014 03:08 Spaylz wrote: On November 02 2014 02:28 blade55555 wrote: I don't get why you guys say Korra's avatar state was weaker. She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). I strongly suggest you rewatch the whole show. I recently did with a friend, and I was under the same impression as you beforehand. In reality though, she uses it twice at the very end of Book 1, and she uses it in nearly every episode of Book 2. And I really mean nearly, almost once per episode. Come on, she uses it to win an airball race against Tenzin's kids. I should rephrase. I meant more for combat purposes. She has used it more then twice at the end of book 1 (1 for showing it, the other for restoring bending). And by combat main combat not for things like airball against tenzin's kids. I did forget about the spirit that she went into the avatar state for 3 seconds (which always bothered me. Whenever she went avatar state against those spirits it was the briefest thing and that made no sense to me). Season 3 was only once and I still think it's kind of silly she didn't do it before she got captured but whatever they needed to have her captured .But the two times we actually see it for more then a few seconds were end of season 2 and end of season 3. End of season 2 was equal fight in terms of raw power, season 3 she had poison and that weakened her a lot and well we know how that ended. I was talking about in-combat situations too, mostly. Really, go watch it again, not being pedantic here. I was surprised to see just how often she uses it. I know I already commented on it. I also commented how she would go into the avatar state but for only a few seconds in those fights and wasn't sustained for longer then what 15 seconds? unlike the fight with vatuu and zaheer. That is because the Avatar state is fucking terrifying. It has been depicted in the series as the wrath of an angry god. One part of the avatar state that we have seen in both shows is that it is very easy for the avatar to accidentally kill people. That is why Ang was so scared of it. That is why they use is to sparingly, especially in combat. And Korra is totally going to wreck shop in the Avatar state, but someone is going to have to provoke it out of her. In a lot of ways, Korra is trying to become more like Ang. And i don't think she is any weaker that Ang was in the Avatar state. As we saw at the end of season 3, the Avatar state gives zero fucks and can use air to push back lava. The thing she lost was the ability to go back and talk with her old lives(which is more of a plot thing for her not having all the answers and guidance at her call at all times) | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On November 04 2014 03:06 Plansix wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 07:25 blade55555 wrote: On November 02 2014 07:16 Spaylz wrote: On November 02 2014 06:32 blade55555 wrote: On November 02 2014 03:08 Spaylz wrote: On November 02 2014 02:28 blade55555 wrote: I don't get why you guys say Korra's avatar state was weaker. She has only used it what twice? Once versus Unavatuu who was as strong as her (due to being fused with Vatuu obviously, alone they were getting their butts kicked). Then she used it against zaheer with poison inside her which weakened her a lot. Even with the poison she almost won until it eventually zapped her of almost all strength. We have never seen her go into it full rage mode and she never will due to being able to control it. Also she isn't a fully realized avatar you are correct, but neither was Aang at the end of ATLA. He never mastered earth bending or fire bending (this was stated in one of the episodes before he fights ozai, the one when zuko tells them of his fathers plan). I strongly suggest you rewatch the whole show. I recently did with a friend, and I was under the same impression as you beforehand. In reality though, she uses it twice at the very end of Book 1, and she uses it in nearly every episode of Book 2. And I really mean nearly, almost once per episode. Come on, she uses it to win an airball race against Tenzin's kids. I should rephrase. I meant more for combat purposes. She has used it more then twice at the end of book 1 (1 for showing it, the other for restoring bending). And by combat main combat not for things like airball against tenzin's kids. I did forget about the spirit that she went into the avatar state for 3 seconds (which always bothered me. Whenever she went avatar state against those spirits it was the briefest thing and that made no sense to me). Season 3 was only once and I still think it's kind of silly she didn't do it before she got captured but whatever they needed to have her captured .But the two times we actually see it for more then a few seconds were end of season 2 and end of season 3. End of season 2 was equal fight in terms of raw power, season 3 she had poison and that weakened her a lot and well we know how that ended. I was talking about in-combat situations too, mostly. Really, go watch it again, not being pedantic here. I was surprised to see just how often she uses it. I know I already commented on it. I also commented how she would go into the avatar state but for only a few seconds in those fights and wasn't sustained for longer then what 15 seconds? unlike the fight with vatuu and zaheer. That is because the Avatar state is fucking terrifying. It has been depicted in the series as the wrath of an angry god. One part of the avatar state that we have seen in both shows is that it is very easy for the avatar to accidentally kill people. That is why Ang was so scared of it. That is why they use is to sparingly, especially in combat. And Korra is totally going to wreck shop in the Avatar state, but someone is going to have to provoke it out of her. In a lot of ways, Korra is trying to become more like Ang. And i don't think she is any weaker that Ang was in the Avatar state. As we saw at the end of season 3, the Avatar state gives zero fucks and can use air to push back lava. The thing she lost was the ability to go back and talk with her old lives(which is more of a plot thing for her not having all the answers and guidance at her call at all times) Also, other Avatars are also depicted only going into the avatar state for a few seconds to get just the right amount of power needed. Watch Book 2 episode 1, where Roku explains it to Aang. Each Avatar's eyes only glow for a second. The same goes for the Avatar Day episode, or Aang vs Jakone. I guess the biggest danger of going into the avatar state for a long time like Korra at the end is the risk of ending the cycle, what almost happened to Aang. You never know when theres a lightning bender behind your back. | ||
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The "continuous" Avatar state is a defense mechanism (as stated by Roku in "The Avatar State") that activates when an Avatar (subconsciously) feels like there's nothing else they can do. It's a desperation move that leaves the Avatar Spirit vulnerable. | ||
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