EPT[Movie] Prometheus - Page 45
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
This video explains it, but some of it has pretty obvious answers. Although not official, some answers can be interpreted yourself On June 16 2012 06:06 RyanRushia wrote: welp honestly had no idea it was an alien prequel until i saw this thread... i hadn't gotten that vibe at ALL from the trailer. extremely excited to see it regardless of the mixed reviews i've seen from people, im pretty easily entertained! Well, the trailer does give the vibe such as the derelict ship, the Space Jockey, the siren/whining noise at the end (1979 Alien), how the title "Prometheus" is slowing spelled, etc. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On June 16 2012 06:31 zoLo wrote: This video explains it, but some of it has pretty obvious answers. Although not official, some answers can be interpreted yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0 Well, the trailer does give the vibe such as the derelict ship, the Space Jockey, the siren/whining noise at the end (1979 Alien), how the title "Prometheus" is slowing spelled, etc. If a plot hole have an obvious answer... it isn't a plot hole. A movie shouldn't have to spell out every single thing to the viewer, that would make for a bad viewer experience. Not to say it didn't have any, but I just thought that was a bit silly thing to say. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On June 16 2012 06:39 nihlon wrote: If a plot hole have an obvious answer... it isn't a plot hole. A movie shouldn't have to spell out every single thing to the viewer, that would make for a bad viewer experience. Not to say it didn't have any, but I just thought that was a bit silly thing to say. An obvious answer? I'd say out of that review only 1 or maybe 2 of the things they mentioned actually had an an answer you could reasonably infer from the plot developments and characters. I think the best point they bring up, and the one that hurt the movie a lot in my opinion, is that this group of scientists was apparently the worst group of scientists ever put together. They're all in some gigantic hurry from the minute they land to fuck shit up and make a mess of the whole site. You're right, a movie shouldn't have to spell everything out for you, but if the things you're meant to figure out on your own are stupid and nonsensical, then I will not be happy. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On June 16 2012 06:39 nihlon wrote: If a plot hole have an obvious answer... it isn't a plot hole. A movie shouldn't have to spell out every single thing to the viewer, that would make for a bad viewer experience. Not to say it didn't have any, but I just thought that was a bit silly thing to say. What I meant is that some people consider _________ a plot hole, but there is a definite or a possible answer to it and some people just didn't catch it. I didn't agree with the questions that the video asked either. You're right, a movie doesn't need to answer everything, which is what I've said before in this thread. Some people think that if there is something in the movie that isn't explained by the characters, then they consider it a plot hole. Some of the questions can be interpreted by the viewer by connecting the dots. Most of the things unanswered will probably be explained in the sequel or maybe even the director's cut/extended scenes. For example, in the video they asked "Why did Weyland want David to infect Holloway with the black goo?" I think it is safe to say that Weyland wanted David to test the black liquid to see its effect. Weyland did finance the expedition in order to find a miracle to save him from death. There was a scene of David talking to Weyland in his sleeping pod and he told David to "try harder", which made him to start experimenting on the vase/urn that he took. Here are some more that I can think of. What did David say to the awaken Engineer that made him start fighting? I am sure there are plenty of ideas floating around the internet about this. Before they headed out to wake up the sleeping Engineer, David hinted that he would be free if Weyland died. Maybe David told the Engineer something that would cause him to react that way. But that would be a more extreme scenario. The more likely scenario is that David told the Engineer exactly what Weyland told him to say. Since the Engineers wanted to exterminate the human race, he knew what humans are capable of. I think Ridley Scott and the writers wanted the Engineer to kill their creation (humans, but in this case Weyland) with Weyland's creation (David). Was Vickers a robot? I don't think so. If she was a robot, then why was she so emotional when Janek wanted to do a kamikaze into the Engineer ship? Why did she did put on a suit? Her facial expression looked pretty tense when Weyland said that David "is the closest thing I have to a son". Why was the med pod only for a man? Besides the infamous joke of Vickers having a penis. We can safely assume that it is for Weyland. Weyland was on the ship in secret and the med pod was in Vickers' private room for a reason. I believe they kept it there in case they needed to operate on Weyland if they did not meet their maker. You can configure it for women like what Shaw did. I know that some of these aren't big questions and some of the answers aren't official, but I just wanted to share my views. On June 16 2012 06:50 I_Love_Bacon wrote: An obvious answer? I'd say out of that review only 1 or maybe 2 of the things they mentioned actually had an an answer you could reasonably infer from the plot developments and characters. I think the best point they bring up, and the one that hurt the movie a lot in my opinion, is that this group of scientists was apparently the worst group of scientists ever put together. They're all in some gigantic hurry from the minute they land to fuck shit up and make a mess of the whole site. You're right, a movie shouldn't have to spell everything out for you, but if the things you're meant to figure out on your own are stupid and nonsensical, then I will not be happy. Yeah, the team isn't exactly the best, but characters like Shaw and Ford did follow up the search intelligently in the beginning. Members like Holloway are dangerous since he is in for the thrill. Millburn is just an oddball, who gets scared of dead bodies, but is mesmerize by an alien like cobra. Fifield is someone who is in for the money and does not understand his own tech gadgets. | ||
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
Alien also has some pretty glaring flaws in decision making by the cast. Why was the med pod only for a man? Besides the infamous joke of Vickers having a penis. We can safely assume that it is for Weyland. Weyland was on the ship in secret and the med pod was in Vickers' private room for a reason. I believe they kept it there in case they needed to operate on Weyland if they did not meet their maker. You can configure it for women like what Shaw did. I find it rather concerning that people didn't figure this out sooner. It's as if a lot of people simply aren't paying attention to the film at all, this is especially obvious with the opening sequence., and are criticising the film for all the wrong reasons, when it has very clear flaws in terms of the progression of the story for example. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On June 16 2012 06:39 nihlon wrote: If a plot hole have an obvious answer... it isn't a plot hole. A movie shouldn't have to spell out every single thing to the viewer, that would make for a bad viewer experience. Not to say it didn't have any, but I just thought that was a bit silly thing to say. the thing is, the movie spelled out a lot of things for the viewer, the captain explaining how it was a military base and that the black goo was a military weapon, the bit with the operation machine when the woman notices it at the start "hey why is this operation machine on board" it was so bad and dumb in places with regards to revealing information but then it was also so ambiguous and dumb. The characters did the most dumb and unrealistic shit ever, the biologist who doesn't like the sight of corpses for example, also the lead archaeologist who travels 4 years to only get drunk and sulk the first night. the robot who was as irrational and deceptive as any human. I could go on . . . A film that requires you to think should show itself to be smart and at least somewhat intellectually intelligible, Prometheus was as dumb as AvP in places and so it feels like you're giving the writer's and the film too much credit in looking for all these arcane points in the storyline. | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
And then at the end the captain is convinced in 2 seconds that running his ship into the alien spaceship is a good idea. Guess going back home wasn't something he wanted at all right? And then his two copilots are like "oh yeah sure good idea captain we're ready to die on this alien planet and have absolutely no interest in being able to go back home to our families". Ridley scott should be ashamed of himself for making such a dumb movie. It had so much potential. | ||
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ScoSteSal
United States54 Posts
milburn, um, you can be afraid of dead bodies and be arrogant and/or trying to impress at the same time? fifield, yes, that was stupid, but it seems to me that it was minimally problematic because so far as I could tell it had near-zero effect on the plot the captain had already said several minutes before to shaw that he didnt intend to let his ship get back to earth, what are you talking about? | ||
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On June 16 2012 21:25 mememolly wrote: the thing is, the movie spelled out a lot of things for the viewer, the captain explaining how it was a military base and that the black goo was a military weapon, the bit with the operation machine when the woman notices it at the start "hey why is this operation machine on board" it was so bad and dumb in places with regards to revealing information but then it was also so ambiguous and dumb. The characters did the most dumb and unrealistic shit ever, the biologist who doesn't like the sight of corpses for example, also the lead archaeologist who travels 4 years to only get drunk and sulk the first night. the robot who was as irrational and deceptive as any human. I could go on . . . A film that requires you to think should show itself to be smart and at least somewhat intellectually intelligible, Prometheus was as dumb as AvP in places and so it feels like you're giving the writer's and the film too much credit in looking for all these arcane points in the storyline. Biologists don't have to be comfortable around corpses of humaniod creatures. And the lead archeologist (his name was Charlie btw) got drunk because his goal for the trip was to meet the creators of the human race. When he finds out they are all dead he decides to drink. I would probably do the same, since my part in the trip is basically over and has been somewhat dissapointing considering my expectations. I'm starting to think all the special effects distract people too much, a lot of people (including me) have trouble recalling all the names of the characters  This makes it quite probable to miss a lot of other subtle hints as well I guess. I think I'm going to download and watch it again when a good torrent comes available. Then probably ask for the director's cut DVD when christmas comes around. | ||
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Strabismus
United Kingdom65 Posts
The problem is (and it's half our fault as nerds) that if you over-analyse the story you begin to see some gaping plot holes. I'm having a hard time deciding if it's mere pedantic approach as a viewer or if the film genuinely has some problems that detract from its intended experience. I'd say half the film has some genuine well done mystery and intrigue through omission of detail, and the rest is oversight and detracts from the experience. I think there's a good sense of irony in that while the film focuses on the search for the truth and knowledge, barely anything is revealed to the audience. And that's really the mark of a good thriller and Sci-Fi like this - it's all about show and tell. Maybe too much was retained from us as an audience though? Overall though it was a satisfying experience. It's been a while since I've seen it and I'm still thinking and talking about it now. I recommend it to anyone who wants to engage with a film, but I'd advise against it if you're looking to sit back and let your brain react to a lot of cliche and rudimentary storytelling. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On June 17 2012 00:06 Flyingdutchman wrote: Biologists don't have to be comfortable around corpses of humaniod creatures. And the lead archeologist (his name was Charlie btw) got drunk because his goal for the trip was to meet the creators of the human race. When he finds out they are all dead he decides to drink. I would probably do the same, since my part in the trip is basically over and has been somewhat dissapointing considering my expectations. Yeah, agreed. I said the same thing a while back in this thread. The reason why he didn't express a whole lot of excitement like the rest because he was hoping to actually meet them. The only thing he was surprised of was the dead Engineer's body that was decapitated and the Xenomorph mural. He did say that there was possibly something behind it, which unfortunately, we never got to explore. I think him getting drunk after the first trip was understandable (to me). They have been traveling around Earth finding more of the same pictographs. When they finally got a sponsor or supporter, they stopped their lives for 2 years to be in cryrosleep/hypersleep/whatever you want to call it, woke up, found temples, and to his disappointment, they found no living Engineer. During the scene of him and Shaw in their bedroom, he said what they found in the caves was great and one of the greatest discovery in mankind, but he said he wanted to talk to them and ask them why they came and why they abandoned them. It wasn't until Shaw showed him the DNA matching that he was finally interested. Here is the set photo of the Xenomorph mural and what looks like a possible doorway. I know it is just a prop to film the movie, but that green gemstone that Holloway pointed his light at might be some sort of activator or security lock. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dV76A.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/prometheus_1.jpg) | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
My take anyway. ^^ | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On June 15 2012 13:47 kef wrote: I only have two things to say. They are not directly about this movie, but are addressed to Mr. Scott. "A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable." "Wake up, time to die." Yesterday, I would not have gotten that Warcraft quote. Today, however... Also, I thought the movie was fine. A little intense, but nothing to get in a tizzy over :/ | ||
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AUFKLARUNG
Germany245 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
A couple plot holes or just information that led nowhere. Not bad of a film i think. | ||
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SCMatterhorn
United States7 Posts
On June 17 2012 10:45 AUFKLARUNG wrote: Hollywood standard all the way. The movie could have been more intelligent but I guess they were interested in building up for the sequel (READ: more profits) more than maing a good film. Otherwise, I like the idea that aliens made humans as weapons and decided to abort us. This exactly. All the unanswered questions people are talking about were put there on purpose for the obvious sequel. Personally I can't wait to see the sequel. | ||
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Antimatterz
United States1010 Posts
Oh the were so wrong hahahaha | ||
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uiCk
Canada1925 Posts
So disappointed that Ridley Scott turned senile, Oliver Stone style. Considering his last "good" movie was black hawk down (matchstick men was pretty good actually), and that he's producing (aka investing) into like 20 movies/tv shows in the next couple years. pretty obvious all he gives a crap about is money. Sad. Another elite director bites the dust. Review written by someone who has seen its share of movies, spot on http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/06/11/review-prometheus-is-a-visually-stunning-epic-failure/ | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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