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I'm really late to the party, but I watched this the other day. Absolutely loved it, the atmosphere was incredible. Was able to see past the flaws in characters because I am so used to people in films being morons. Also, newsflash people, rewatch Alien. They are some of the dumbest motherfuckers ever seen in movies. This film was very very similar in tone but actually moved faster than the original. And yeah this replicated the tone of the original way more than the other Aliens films, which I absolutely loved.
Anyway I love how the planet has the name of a leviticus verse which is relevant to the plot. I love the look of the prometheans, the concept of the black ooze, these posts even if they're wrong:
http://io9.com/5919306/another-theory-about-the-meaning-of-prometheus
http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/
There was so much imagery and so many fascinating ideas about these creatures' relation to humanity. For someone who likes to do a lot of thinking, this film was like crack for me, so many dimensions to consider and think about, so many aspects of the film can be tied to each other with a little work. Really, the characters and their behaviour are incidental to the film, and the quality isn't derived from them...it's derived from what's around them. It's just a fucking alluring film.
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On January 02 2013 23:45 sc4k wrote:I'm really late to the party, but I watched this the other day. Absolutely loved it, the atmosphere was incredible. Was able to see past the flaws in characters because I am so used to people in films being morons. Also, newsflash people, rewatch Alien. They are some of the dumbest motherfuckers ever seen in movies. This film was very very similar in tone but actually moved faster than the original. And yeah this replicated the tone of the original way more than the other Aliens films, which I absolutely loved. Anyway I love how the planet has the name of a leviticus verse which is relevant to the plot. I love the look of the prometheans, the concept of the black ooze, these posts even if they're wrong: http://io9.com/5919306/another-theory-about-the-meaning-of-prometheushttp://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/There was so much imagery and so many fascinating ideas about these creatures' relation to humanity. For someone who likes to do a lot of thinking, this film was like crack for me, so many dimensions to consider and think about, so many aspects of the film can be tied to each other with a little work. Really, the characters and their behaviour are incidental to the film, and the quality isn't derived from them...it's derived from what's around them. It's just a fucking alluring film.
I totally, totally disagree that the people in the first Alien acted stupidly. They were acting on incomplete information, and were being directly manipulated through subterfuge (one of them was a fkin robot) on the part of the company. There's only one case where the character was dumb as fuck + Show Spoiler +that chick not getting out of the way of the flamethrower
You could loosely argue that the dude should not have touched the alien egg, but first off he wasn't a trained biologist, and secondly didn't he stumble and accidentally trigger it?
He definitely didn't get lost with super-expensive mapping equipment and didn't try to reach out and touch an obviously threatening creature (I'm pretty sure I remember him being scared pretty shitless and overall super wary of the whole situation). That shit was just dumb.
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On January 03 2013 00:55 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 23:45 sc4k wrote:I'm really late to the party, but I watched this the other day. Absolutely loved it, the atmosphere was incredible. Was able to see past the flaws in characters because I am so used to people in films being morons. Also, newsflash people, rewatch Alien. They are some of the dumbest motherfuckers ever seen in movies. This film was very very similar in tone but actually moved faster than the original. And yeah this replicated the tone of the original way more than the other Aliens films, which I absolutely loved. Anyway I love how the planet has the name of a leviticus verse which is relevant to the plot. I love the look of the prometheans, the concept of the black ooze, these posts even if they're wrong: http://io9.com/5919306/another-theory-about-the-meaning-of-prometheushttp://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/There was so much imagery and so many fascinating ideas about these creatures' relation to humanity. For someone who likes to do a lot of thinking, this film was like crack for me, so many dimensions to consider and think about, so many aspects of the film can be tied to each other with a little work. Really, the characters and their behaviour are incidental to the film, and the quality isn't derived from them...it's derived from what's around them. It's just a fucking alluring film. I totally, totally disagree that the people in the first Alien acted stupidly. They were acting on incomplete information, and were being directly manipulated through subterfuge (one of them was a fkin robot) on the part of the company. There's only one case where the character was dumb as fuck + Show Spoiler +that chick not getting out of the way of the flamethrower ,
And even then, she was paralyzed by fear. In addition, the people in the first Alien movie were a random crew from a mineral-carrying spaceship. In Prometheus, by contrast, the entire crew is supposed to have been recruited with the precise objective of dealing with an extraterrestrial species in mind. And you've got people taking off their helmets outside on an unknown planet, getting scared of centuries-old skeletons/bodies to the point of renouncing the mission when they're supposed to be meeting live extraterrestrials, losing themselves with a radio link and a 3D map, voluntarily approaching hostile creatures (after getting scared at the sight of dead ones), getting sad and drunk because they "only" found bodies and no live extraterrestrial yet on the first day after a two-year journey, leaving the room with the radio link to the two members of the crew on their own at night outside, etc. And let's not forget about stuff like the so-called biologist calling evolution "darwinism" (a term used by creationists). The amount of stupidity displayed by the characters is almost an insult to the viewer.
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On January 03 2013 00:55 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 23:45 sc4k wrote:I'm really late to the party, but I watched this the other day. Absolutely loved it, the atmosphere was incredible. Was able to see past the flaws in characters because I am so used to people in films being morons. Also, newsflash people, rewatch Alien. They are some of the dumbest motherfuckers ever seen in movies. This film was very very similar in tone but actually moved faster than the original. And yeah this replicated the tone of the original way more than the other Aliens films, which I absolutely loved. Anyway I love how the planet has the name of a leviticus verse which is relevant to the plot. I love the look of the prometheans, the concept of the black ooze, these posts even if they're wrong: http://io9.com/5919306/another-theory-about-the-meaning-of-prometheushttp://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/There was so much imagery and so many fascinating ideas about these creatures' relation to humanity. For someone who likes to do a lot of thinking, this film was like crack for me, so many dimensions to consider and think about, so many aspects of the film can be tied to each other with a little work. Really, the characters and their behaviour are incidental to the film, and the quality isn't derived from them...it's derived from what's around them. It's just a fucking alluring film. I totally, totally disagree that the people in the first Alien acted stupidly. They were acting on incomplete information, and were being directly manipulated through subterfuge (one of them was a fkin robot) on the part of the company. There's only one case where the character was dumb as fuck + Show Spoiler +that chick not getting out of the way of the flamethrower , but other than that the characters acted in a relatively rational manner, given their training, orders, etc. You could loosely argue that the dude should not have touched the alien egg, but first off he wasn't a trained biologist, and secondly didn't he stumble and accidentally trigger it? He definitely didn't get lost with super-expensive mapping equipment and didn't try to reach out and touch an obviously threatening creature (I'm pretty sure I remember him being scared pretty shitless and overall super wary of the whole situation). That shit was just dumb.
Absolutely agreed. I watched this with my girlfriend right after Alien (1979). One thing that really bothered us was why everyone acted like a 14 year old with ADD. In the cave: "oh jars, analyze, think...SQUIRREL! I MEAN ALIEN PENIS!". Or the 'OC in space' character behavior: "Oh my god, we are on the verge of answering the greatest question of mankind... but I'm horny, let's bang instead and completely forget the question.".
She's a biologist, and I'm and engineer, and we can affirm that absolutely nothing in this movie makes sense. DNA breaking apart doesn't magically create life. No science ship would be fitted without A: an external medbay for biohazards (indigenous bacteria, air toxins, radiation, viruses etc) and B: some form on weaponry to destroy meteors or otherwise protect the ship during travel. Heads don't explode when hooked up to current, although they might catch on fire or melt. Xenobiologists would first try to determine the composition of alien life, not try to reanimate long dead cells (where electricity probably isn't the answer anyway, you would need a chemical reaction chain).
And pretty much everything the crew does is wrong. I really mean this... a 14 year old with a big imagination would write a movie like this. If Scott consulted with at least one engineer/bioligist/good scientists they would tell him the whole technical premise it shit.
But. one last question.
WHY DIDN'T THE ENGINEER DIE IN THE WEAPON CHAIR LIKE WE SAW IN ALIEN?
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On January 03 2013 02:01 Abraxas514 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 00:55 BallinWitStalin wrote:On January 02 2013 23:45 sc4k wrote:I'm really late to the party, but I watched this the other day. Absolutely loved it, the atmosphere was incredible. Was able to see past the flaws in characters because I am so used to people in films being morons. Also, newsflash people, rewatch Alien. They are some of the dumbest motherfuckers ever seen in movies. This film was very very similar in tone but actually moved faster than the original. And yeah this replicated the tone of the original way more than the other Aliens films, which I absolutely loved. Anyway I love how the planet has the name of a leviticus verse which is relevant to the plot. I love the look of the prometheans, the concept of the black ooze, these posts even if they're wrong: http://io9.com/5919306/another-theory-about-the-meaning-of-prometheushttp://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/There was so much imagery and so many fascinating ideas about these creatures' relation to humanity. For someone who likes to do a lot of thinking, this film was like crack for me, so many dimensions to consider and think about, so many aspects of the film can be tied to each other with a little work. Really, the characters and their behaviour are incidental to the film, and the quality isn't derived from them...it's derived from what's around them. It's just a fucking alluring film. I totally, totally disagree that the people in the first Alien acted stupidly. They were acting on incomplete information, and were being directly manipulated through subterfuge (one of them was a fkin robot) on the part of the company. There's only one case where the character was dumb as fuck + Show Spoiler +that chick not getting out of the way of the flamethrower , but other than that the characters acted in a relatively rational manner, given their training, orders, etc. You could loosely argue that the dude should not have touched the alien egg, but first off he wasn't a trained biologist, and secondly didn't he stumble and accidentally trigger it? He definitely didn't get lost with super-expensive mapping equipment and didn't try to reach out and touch an obviously threatening creature (I'm pretty sure I remember him being scared pretty shitless and overall super wary of the whole situation). That shit was just dumb. But. one last question. WHY DIDN'T THE ENGINEER DIE IN THE WEAPON CHAIR LIKE WE SAW IN ALIEN?
I completely agree with the rest of your post, but this one can easily be answered - it's not the same ship or the same planet.
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Prometheus was set on LV-223
While ALIEN was set on LV-426
2 different ships, engineers and planets.
Even tho Weyland knew of LV-426 by then (clearly, in Alien Weyland Yutani expected the signal, as the special order was given way before)
If you have any further questions feel free to ask.
I am an alien fan and already fangurled about Prometheus when it's title hasn't been set.
Analyzing teasers frame by frame, raising contrasts, speculating with other fans... knowing the whole movie before it comes out. that was awesome <3
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On January 03 2013 00:55 BallinWitStalin wrote:
I totally, totally disagree that the people in the first Alien acted stupidly. They were acting on incomplete information, and were being directly manipulated through subterfuge (one of them was a fkin robot) on the part of the company. There's only one case where the character was dumb as fuck
Okay I would have to rewatch the film to argue this about specific points but I just remember watching the film with my eyebrow raised at how silly some of their actions were. The worst choice they make is, after the guy has had the alien on his face for ages, and the alien comes off, they're just like 'oh well, that's the end of that, surely nothing has happened to our trusty colleague. Time for some food.'
Also, all the of the crew on the ship in Prometheus gave me the impression of randoms who went on a trip that was extremely unusual and which the majority of people would have refused, they may have some training but I can just imagine they are sort of no hopers and not particular experts. I'm pretty sure they were all acting on incomplete information too. The retard biologist coochy cooing the snake was ludicrous but then again, like I already said, I don't judge either film on the stupidity of the protagonists, because I can't remember ever watching a horror film where the people make realistic, non-retarded decisions.
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I just thought of a plothole.. in the surgery room the little alien is stuck in the metal claw, then later on becomes the big octopus thing. That makes no sense according to conservation of mass, it would have to be eating stuff to grow.
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It was kind of an interesting plot. But that is it. The rest is just a bunch of hollywood schabang kapow. Music, monsters, graphics. Just another big box office cliche piece of junk. Most movies are though.
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On February 01 2013 16:26 WhatsInAName wrote:
It was kind of an interesting plot. But that is it. The rest is just a bunch of hollywood schabang kapow. Music, monsters, graphics. Just another big box office cliche piece of junk. Most movies are though.
What you're basically saying is that a movie can't have action and suspenseful music or else it's a piece of junk? LOL. Hollywood does that stuff in the first place because it is good, it's just the fact that they don't use it correctly and overuse it heavily. In no way did this movie revolve around explosions like Transformers did. You say yourself it had an INTERESTING PLOT, the movie revolved around the plot and used action sequences where they were necessary. The only thing I disliked in this movie was the biologists actions and the design of the engineers, but honestly those don't ruin an otherwise great movie.
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On December 05 2012 16:00 theinfamousone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 02:45 Ramone wrote:On September 23 2012 16:00 VashtaNerada wrote:
Prometheus is a modern form of a Greek tragedy. One the action begins, it maintains unity of location (the small area defined by the two ships), unity of time (the main action appears to take place within 24 hours or so) and unity of theme (hubris). The structure is correct as well: a prologue introducing the characters, an episode/stasimon mixture (the stasimon is updated somewhat, rather than being a choral song and dance number, it's the action sequence, so you have dialog, then action, then dialog, then action, in a repeated alternating sequence), and the exodos where the actors would exit with dialog. The theme is even right on topic for a Greek tragedy: gods and hubris.
I didn't come out of Prometheus thinking it was a great movie. Not bad, but not great. But the more I thought about it, the more I started to place what I'd seen in the framework of a Greek tragedy, and once I realized how well it fit, I've come to think of the movie as a remarkable piece of artwork. As a work of science fiction, its value is questionable, relying on a reverse Frankenstein complex as the underlying conflict (humans are the creation this time) and a lot of stupid sci-fi movie cliches (things that rapidly gain mass out of nothing, things making noise in a vaccuum, etc.) As a Greek tragedy, though, it's fantastic.
So, I guess I still don't know how I feel about it because I really wanted to see a good sci-fi movie. I suppose I'll content myself with appreciating what the movie did well (a modern Greek tragedy, now in theaters!) while being irritated at the lack of really good science fiction movies. I like this post. I don't know much about Greek tragedy beyond your explanation, but there wasn't definitely something special about this movie. I watched it with my girlfriend who doesn't enjoy sci-fi OR action movies, and even she enjoyed it. There's a laundry list of stupid things that happen in this movie accompanied by glaring plot gaps, but despite this, it was a great show. It's got my interested, it's got me excited for the sequal, and it actually got me to go back and watch it again, and I'll probably watch the extended version when it comes out. I've read ~10 pages or so of this thread and I haven't seen it mentioned, but what happened with the biologist and red headed map dude? I mean yes, the whole scene where they encounter the snake thing was ridiculous, but what next? In Aliens, a similar creature plants an egg inside a host (leaving them alive) which erupts through their stomach later on and kills them. Then it grows into a big nasty. In this one, the snake thing appeared to jump out of the biologists neck?....Then that was it. Was it still the snake that jumped out, or had it evolved into a small alien who would grow into a big one given time? Maybe we'll find out more in the sequal. Why didn't it make another appearance in the movie? Was it just bidding its time? Why even have this scene if it's not going to impact the movie...guess to set up the trilogy? There were lots of "plot gaps" that are only explained by the idea that they are to "set up the sequal/trilogy." Seems like there might be a few too many of these imo, some of the lose ends should have been expanded on or removed entirely to focus on the core of the movie. You don't need half of this movie to be a teaser for the next one....save that for the final scene. Another thing, the guns! First of all the whole "it's a scientific mission so no guns on this potentially hostile planet" was stupid, but even if they did bring guns, apparently they're worthless anyways! When Holloway gets contaminated, he takes about 50 shots on top of a good old fashioned flame thrower torching and still only goes down when his body is crushed by a giant truck and repeatedly shot. (won't even get into why Charlize decides the flame thrower is the most humane way of euthanizing an infected crew member instead of a bullet to the head, lol) Then the big Engineer takes a few shots to the chest without flinching...what the hell? Without changing the outcome of either situation, they could've made the guns more badass. You know darn well there's going to be a future scene where a badass hero goes on a rampage and kills hordes of baddies with the same weak-ass guns...only they'll work this time, so why not just make them reasonably powerful to begin with? Have them blow off an arm and/or part of Holloways head, but still have him attacking due to his messed up genetics. Have the engineer protected by some sort of visible shielding device, or have him take out the gunman before he gets a shot off. The gun thing is pretty minor despite my 2 paragraph rant  I really enjoyed the movie on the whole and I look forward to more installments in the trilogy! Cheers, Ramone I just watched this movie for the second time now that it's on blu ray. I was hoping to get more out of the second time after reading so many explanations etc., although I did notice a few things. I am gonna say I hope the sequels explain the purpose of making the black ooze. It wasn't the same as the weird stuff the guy at the beginning drank because that makes you disintegrate. Were they just messing around with ways to mix their DNA? Could it be to create the aliens for the Predators to hunt (remember those are in the same universe and they seem to like hunting the aliens as it's the only species strong enough to challenge them)? I thought it was pretty funny that creating the alien required giving some of the ooze to Charlie, and then impregnating a woman, and then that hybrid hybrid lays eggs in an engineer. The space jesus thing is the dumbest thing ever to anyone who has ever read the bible. A lot of the criticism of the movie is pretty nitpicky. All the stuff about David acting weird are totally explainable. He had one mission, and that was to find out how to save Peter Weyland. He was curious from the beginning about all the gooey stuff that none of the scientists seemed to care about. All the stuff about how Shaw just went and did surgery on herself and everyone just kind of got over it is explainable. David was quite possibly the only person that knew and he didn't give a crap if she's infected or not. The copilots who stay on the ship really have nothing to lose. It's either die by ramming the alien ship or living for a few months (the 2 years of resources on the standalone pod would be divided by 3 instead of just one person giving them 8 months) on a hell hole of a planet with Ms Vickers. I think I'd have done the same thing. Why did she choose a flame thrower? Bullets tend to spew blood and guts everywhere. Fire consumes. Why did the engineer not go down when he got shot? He's super human of course.
Ridley Scott has stated he hates that the universes were mixed and absolutely hates the AvP movies because they are rubbish and as such he doesn't consider them to be cannon.
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