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Just saw the movie. To be honest, I was disappointed.
The first 30 minutes, I thought I was about the watch the greatest and most ambitious film all year. It's like the BBC traveled 70 years into the future and made a movie about space exploration. IT IS KILLER.
But unfortunately, a combination of poor character development, and bad plotting/pacing bog down the movie.
The world Ridley Scott builds, and his vision of the future, was incredible -- and I hope he keeps developing and expanding it. But yeah, the story doesn't do it justice. It feels like there is was a whole hour of the movie that was cut out that would help make it make more sense.
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i just saw this movie too, it is like 80-90 /100. its much better than other movies, but the movie "independence day" still much better than every alien movie.
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On June 17 2012 16:57 Defacer wrote:
Just saw the movie. To be honest, I was disappointed.
The first 30 minutes, I thought I was about the watch the greatest and most ambitious all year. It's like the BBC traveled 70 years into the future and made a movie about space exploration. IT IS KILLER.
But unfortunately, a combination of poor character development, and bad plotting/pacing bog down the movie.
The world Ridley Scott builds, and his vision of the future, was incredible -- and I hope he keeps developing and expanding it. But yeah, the story doesn't do it justice. It feels like there is was a whole hour of the movie that was cut out that would help make it make more sense.
I wouldn't be surprised if there actually were an hour cut, some of the jumps in the movie seemed to weird for it not to be stuff in between. I'm hoping the directors cut can redeem parts of the movie.
On June 17 2012 17:19 dynn wrote:
i just saw this movie too, it is like 80-90 /100. its much better than other movies, but the movie "independence day" still much better than every alien movie.
Lol.
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I was just expecting to see you know, ALIENS but then I read the wiki after and realized OH this is a semi-prequel that explains a SMALL SCENE from the original Alien movie......why. Once I realized it was just an exploration crew I realized....these people are not equipped to fight this.
Also the obvious flaws of making a prequel of a movie made in the 70s our ideas of high-technology weapons have changed greatly. Seriously though suits that aren't flame-retardant? REALLY? unless it was just burning is face....oh well it's a small complaint compared to the rest.
I expected the wrong thing so of course I was dissapointed =/ on it's own it did a good enough job, nothing amazing but it did a good job.
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On June 17 2012 11:11 SCMatterhorn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 10:45 AUFKLARUNG wrote:
Hollywood standard all the way. The movie could have been more intelligent but I guess they were interested in building up for the sequel (READ: more profits) more than maing a good film. Otherwise, I like the idea that aliens made humans as weapons and decided to abort us. This exactly. All the unanswered questions people are talking about were put there on purpose for the obvious sequel. Personally I can't wait to see the sequel.
There's not going to be a sequel... duh. Visually prometheus was insane, all the creatures were sublime. And Michael Fassbender continues to steal every movie hes in. Seriously, is there a better robot character out there?
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On June 17 2012 17:46 Monokeros wrote:
I was just expecting to see you know, ALIENS but then I read the wiki after and realized OH this is a semi-prequel that explains a SMALL SCENE from the original Alien movie......why. Once I realized it was just an exploration crew I realized....these people are not equipped to fight this.
Also the obvious flaws of making a prequel of a movie made in the 70s our ideas of high-technology weapons have changed greatly. Seriously though suits that aren't flame-retardant? REALLY? unless it was just burning is face....oh well it's a small complaint compared to the rest.
I expected the wrong thing so of course I was dissapointed =/ on it's own it did a good enough job, nothing amazing but it did a good job.
Its a space suit, how were they to expect to use a flamethrower in space like that ? They were shocked to see the planet have atmosphere.
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On June 17 2012 17:25 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 16:57 Defacer wrote:
Just saw the movie. To be honest, I was disappointed.
The first 30 minutes, I thought I was about the watch the greatest and most ambitious all year. It's like the BBC traveled 70 years into the future and made a movie about space exploration. IT IS KILLER.
But unfortunately, a combination of poor character development, and bad plotting/pacing bog down the movie.
The world Ridley Scott builds, and his vision of the future, was incredible -- and I hope he keeps developing and expanding it. But yeah, the story doesn't do it justice. It feels like there is was a whole hour of the movie that was cut out that would help make it make more sense.
I wouldn't be surprised if there actually were an hour cut, some of the jumps in the movie seemed to weird for it not to be stuff in between. I'm hoping the directors cut can redeem parts of the movie. Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 17:19 dynn wrote:
i just saw this movie too, it is like 80-90 /100. its much better than other movies, but the movie "independence day" still much better than every alien movie. Lol.
No, it's only 20 minutes, which is planned to be on the first blu-ray/DVD release or will be on a director's cut/extended scenes version.
On June 18 2012 00:10 WniO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:11 SCMatterhorn wrote:On June 17 2012 10:45 AUFKLARUNG wrote:
Hollywood standard all the way. The movie could have been more intelligent but I guess they were interested in building up for the sequel (READ: more profits) more than maing a good film. Otherwise, I like the idea that aliens made humans as weapons and decided to abort us. This exactly. All the unanswered questions people are talking about were put there on purpose for the obvious sequel. Personally I can't wait to see the sequel. There's not going to be a sequel... duh. Visually prometheus was insane, all the creatures were sublime. And Michael Fassbender continues to steal every movie hes in. Seriously, is there a better robot character out there?
The movie was a financial success, which is what Fox wants in order to greenlight a sequel. Scott said he wants Prometheus to be the first of a trilogy.
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Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything.
The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death:
+ Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? <fail> Run in a straight line! </fail>
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do.
For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch.
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On June 18 2012 05:48 Courthead wrote:Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything. The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death: + Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? <fail> Run in a straight line! </fail>
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do. For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch.
I was going to offer my opinion on the movie (having seen it about an hour ago) , but you just did it for me.
The guy who's job it is to map things out being the first to get lost is hilarious. Everybody's complete obliviousness to David was just illogical, and why the hell was Charlize Theron's character even in this movie (what the hell was she even called)? She was completely and utterly useless.
Also, the lulz of running away from the ship thats half a mile long and like 100 feet across was too much to bear. Oh, and when Shaw rolled 5 feet out of the way, somehow clearing her of the ship, and then she stands up and she's about 100 yards from when it crashed down. Okay.
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The movie was a entertaining but nothing more. It would be OK if not for all the hype it got. The plot is so weak it is shocking.
The scientist in the movie are so stupid that it made me rage. They are simply retarded. All of them. And among them they have archeologists but they don't have anyone who is specilizing in organic chemistry or physics.
David is another damn weak spot. He acts so random... Does he have actual purpose or he just flips the coin when he has to make a decision or say something.
7/10 for pure entertainment where I switch of my brain and simply allow myself to be fed crap. If you have expectations subtract 2 points.
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On June 18 2012 00:10 WniO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:11 SCMatterhorn wrote:On June 17 2012 10:45 AUFKLARUNG wrote:
Hollywood standard all the way. The movie could have been more intelligent but I guess they were interested in building up for the sequel (READ: more profits) more than maing a good film. Otherwise, I like the idea that aliens made humans as weapons and decided to abort us. This exactly. All the unanswered questions people are talking about were put there on purpose for the obvious sequel. Personally I can't wait to see the sequel. There's not going to be a sequel... duh. Visually prometheus was insane, all the creatures were sublime. And Michael Fassbender continues to steal every movie hes in. Seriously, is there a better robot character out there?
You are an idiot to say this. The producers have already declared even before they released the film that this will be another trilogy to the Alien franchise, much like StarWars. Stop spewing idiotic nonsense you know nothing about.
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On June 18 2012 00:56 Avean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 17:46 Monokeros wrote:
I was just expecting to see you know, ALIENS but then I read the wiki after and realized OH this is a semi-prequel that explains a SMALL SCENE from the original Alien movie......why. Once I realized it was just an exploration crew I realized....these people are not equipped to fight this.
Also the obvious flaws of making a prequel of a movie made in the 70s our ideas of high-technology weapons have changed greatly. Seriously though suits that aren't flame-retardant? REALLY? unless it was just burning is face....oh well it's a small complaint compared to the rest.
I expected the wrong thing so of course I was dissapointed =/ on it's own it did a good enough job, nothing amazing but it did a good job. Its a space suit, how were they to expect to use a flamethrower in space like that ? They were shocked to see the planet have atmosphere.
So shocked they took off their helmets without a second thought!
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On June 18 2012 05:48 Courthead wrote:Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything. The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death: + Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? <fail> Run in a straight line! </fail>
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do. For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch.
I agree with some of the stuff you said, but most of it is nitpicking.
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On June 18 2012 15:15 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 05:48 Courthead wrote:Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything. The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death: + Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? <fail> Run in a straight line! </fail>
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do. For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch. I agree with some of the stuff you said, but most of it is nitpicking.
Then the only thing you need to know is that:
1. Every scientist on the ship has a brain of a 5 year old.
2. The guy who has the map on his wristband gets lost in the building.
3. The biologist's reaction to the alien snake is just about the dumbest thing you could ever do.
4. Taking your helmets off in an alien atmosphere in an alien building is also just about the dumbest thing to do.
Bending the laws of physics or including certain character flaws/decisions in order to help the movie go along is fine. But taking your helmet off inside a creepy alien building with dead bodies all over the place? Or touching an alien snake thats hissing at you? Yeah real smart. How on earth can you justify that kind of logic?
Also, the first action scene where the biologist comes back to the ship as an infected dude and goes apeshit and kills like 5 crew members? Theres no follow up. They don't clean up the mess, nothing happens, and its like nobody even cares that one of their scientists became infected and killed several of the men. This scene was the moment when the whole movie fell apart.
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@white_horse: Yep.
My coworker and I went to see this yesterday. He enjoys finding plot holes, and he went crazy with this movie.
+ Show Spoiler +Okay, so two of your crew members were left inside the alien ruins overnight. Both of them have cameras attached to their suits. At some point during the night, they both die. What's the first thing that you should do? Check the video to see that the fuck happened. You think the crew does that? No.
Then, one of their bodies mysteriously appears right in front of the giant closed door to the spacecraft. Do you (a) check the video to see how it got there, (b) go out the side door and poke it with a stick, or (c) open up the main door and kill half your crew when the previously dead crew member attacks you? I mean, seriously.
You can't fault the movie on it's visuals. The movie was stunning, and had some pretty impressive scenes in it. However, the sheer stupidity of the crew and some of the "and magically things work out" + Show Spoiler +I'm looking at you, disembodied head of the replicant. Also, why did Noomi take David's body when she left?
I'll probably still go see the sequel(s).
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On June 18 2012 15:26 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 15:15 -Archangel- wrote:On June 18 2012 05:48 Courthead wrote:Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything. The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death: + Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? <fail> Run in a straight line! </fail>
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do. For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch. I agree with some of the stuff you said, but most of it is nitpicking. Then the only thing you need to know is that: 1. Every scientist on the ship has a brain of a 5 year old. 2. The guy who has the map on his wristband gets lost in the building. 3. The biologist's reaction to the alien snake is just about the dumbest thing you could ever do. 4. Taking your helmets off in an alien atmosphere in an alien building is also just about the dumbest thing to do. Bending the laws of physics or including certain character flaws/decisions in order to help the movie go along is fine. But taking your helmet off inside a creepy alien building with dead bodies all over the place? Or touching an alien snake thats hissing at you? Yeah real smart. How on earth can you justify that kind of logic? Also, the first action scene where the biologist comes back to the ship as an infected dude and goes apeshit and kills like 5 crew members? Theres no follow up. They don't clean up the mess, nothing happens, and its like nobody even cares that one of their scientists became infected and killed several of the men. This scene was the moment when the whole movie fell apart.
1. Says you. I don't agree.
2. That is one of the weirder scenes. Depending on what we get in Director's Cut might be a plothole, but not enough to make the movie bad.
3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you?
4. This can be explained by their advanced technology. They did look at their instruments first and those said it is OK. BTW, you must have most SF movies as like 5% of them care about stuff like alien bacteria and viruses.
As for people not reacting to one of them killing a few of them, that is not bad, what is bad nobody caring Shaw just kicked their asses and did self surgery and then walking around bleeding and half naked.
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On June 18 2012 21:24 ghost_403 wrote:
Okay, so two of your crew members were left inside the alien ruins overnight. Both of them have cameras attached to their suits. At some point during the night, they both die. What's the first thing that you should do? Check the video to see that the fuck happened. You think the crew does that? No.
Then, one of their bodies mysteriously appears right in front of the giant closed door to the spacecraft. Do you (a) check the video to see how it got there, (b) go out the side door and poke it with a stick, or (c) open up the main door and kill half your crew when the previously dead crew member attacks you? I mean, seriously.
They went themselves to see what happened. Also it might be video from their helmets was not saved but only streamed. Don't forget there was a storm during that time and they didn't have video feed. I doubt suits carried extra memory to store video.
They didn't know what happened. On the site they only found one of the bodies. Other one was missing, so they think he is alive. So when he comes to your ship you don't immediately think "he must be an alien zombie". Unlike you they live in that world and don't watch a movie.
Also to all the people complaining about them running in straight line away from the crashing ship, I bet if it was you there you would wet you pants and not be able to move at all like most people do. But it would be less exciting for viewers to see that so they run in the next way that will kill them.
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On June 18 2012 21:42 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 15:26 white_horse wrote:On June 18 2012 15:15 -Archangel- wrote:On June 18 2012 05:48 Courthead wrote:Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything. The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death: + Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? <fail> Run in a straight line! </fail>
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do. For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch. I agree with some of the stuff you said, but most of it is nitpicking. Then the only thing you need to know is that: 1. Every scientist on the ship has a brain of a 5 year old. 2. The guy who has the map on his wristband gets lost in the building. 3. The biologist's reaction to the alien snake is just about the dumbest thing you could ever do. 4. Taking your helmets off in an alien atmosphere in an alien building is also just about the dumbest thing to do. Bending the laws of physics or including certain character flaws/decisions in order to help the movie go along is fine. But taking your helmet off inside a creepy alien building with dead bodies all over the place? Or touching an alien snake thats hissing at you? Yeah real smart. How on earth can you justify that kind of logic? Also, the first action scene where the biologist comes back to the ship as an infected dude and goes apeshit and kills like 5 crew members? Theres no follow up. They don't clean up the mess, nothing happens, and its like nobody even cares that one of their scientists became infected and killed several of the men. This scene was the moment when the whole movie fell apart. 1. Says you. I don't agree. 2. That is one of the weirder scenes. Depending on what we get in Director's Cut might be a plothole, but not enough to make the movie bad. 3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you? 4. This can be explained by their advanced technology. They did look at their instruments first and those said it is OK. BTW, you must have most SF movies as like 5% of them care about stuff like alien bacteria and viruses. As for people not reacting to one of them killing a few of them, that is not bad, what is bad nobody caring Shaw just kicked their asses and did self surgery and then walking around bleeding and half naked.
There are plenty of fucking stupid actions in Alien, no doubt. If people are going to make the comparison to alien, you can't ignore them. People watch/talk about Alien with rose coloured glasses, I swear.
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The movie was so bad the only things proping it up from being one of the worst movies of all time are the visuals and Michael Fassbender's preformance. I feel Ridley Scott needs to publicaly apologize for attaching his name to such an abysmal script and gurantee that the second movie will be written by someone else just to save face. I'd really like to know if he's okay with the way it turned out, so I can steer clear of the second.
edit: I forgot Noomi Rapace did very well also.
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