EPTOn June 12 2012 16:24 Bloodash wrote:
sums it up pretty well: (spoilers)
sums it up pretty well: (spoilers)
holy shit, thanks for that, rofl, so true
[Movie] Prometheus - Page 41
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mememolly
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holy shit, thanks for that, rofl, so true | ||
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
Sadly this video might be a parody of people nitpicking the movie. That guy Jay actually says something like "if you are that critical of this movie, you should not watch ANY movies". What a clown. Either; a) Jay is a dumbass. b) Fox paid them c) They are being overly cautious, in light of how confusing the movie is, to potentially save face. Why c) ? Because this film is jam packed with enough vague stuff, that they, like a lot of other critics, want to hold off dismissing it as a load of nonsense, in case other smarter critics are able to find something in it and make them look foolish later for not being able to see it themselves. Oh well, hopefully they will come to their senses, I liked their Star Trek 2009 and Star Wars Prequel videos. =/ | ||
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mememolly
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=prometheus_nutshell I think some people liked this movie because the stunning visuals really masked the stupidity of the plot and characters. If you really think about it, a lot of things was never explained or made no sense. The concept of the movie is interesting but the writing is just piss-awful. Props to all those who worked on the vfx, the only redeeming part of the movie. | ||
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Knighthawkbro
United States183 Posts
On June 13 2012 04:27 ilikeredheads wrote: another bang on review http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=prometheus_nutshell I think some people liked this movie because the stunning visuals really masked the stupidity of the plot and characters. If you really think about it, a lot of things was never explained or made no sense. The concept of the movie is interesting but the writing is just piss-awful. Props to all those who worked on the vfx, the only redeeming part of the movie. Obviously that man has never seen the brave little toaster.... Won't judge the movie that harshly, even though i liked it, till the subsequent sequel(s) come out. I feel that the mythology was way more important then the insignificant characters killed off. Anyone who has watched lost knows Damon loves to wrap stories in religion and myth. I see Prometheus as a creationist story, a beginning to something more, but I'm not gonna kill my self waiting for it. Michael Fassbender did a wonderful job as usual. plus to make an excuse for the retarded crew, think of what kids do now a days (new ways to get Drunk, ect), now add 70+ years of technology and declining of common sense and presto the crew members of Prometheus. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 13 2012 04:27 ilikeredheads wrote: another bang on review http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=prometheus_nutshell I think some people liked this movie because the stunning visuals really masked the stupidity of the plot and characters. If you really think about it, a lot of things was never explained or made no sense. The concept of the movie is interesting but the writing is just piss-awful. Props to all those who worked on the vfx, the only redeeming part of the movie. It wasn't just the visuals and effects. The overall tone and atmosphere of the movie was spot on as well. There hasn't been a movie like this made at this level since the '90s. All we've gotten is syfy channel b-movie garbage. No one is arguing that its script and characters were great. I just didn't care that they were awful. I went into the movie with no expectations, and the movie didn't trigger my cynicism and I had a blast. I don't see why everyone is trying to shit on this movie so hard...it confuses me. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On June 13 2012 05:27 PH wrote: It wasn't just the visuals and effects. The overall tone and atmosphere of the movie was spot on as well. There hasn't been a movie like this made at this level since the '90s. All we've gotten is syfy channel b-movie garbage. Among the recent ones, what about Moon and District 9? | ||
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ilikeredheads
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mememolly
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Kojak21
Canada1104 Posts
On June 13 2012 05:36 mememolly wrote: some questions, so at the end of the film the crew decides to suicide themselves in order to prevent the cargo of black goo stuff from going to earth and infecting everyone, but why does the engineer wake up and suddenly decide to do this when it's clear that 2000 years ago they were all running from something and one of them got decapitated and a whole bunch of the engineers got killed? (not to mention how the fuck one of them was alive in first place after all this time), so, were they running from something that was trying to stop them from completely their mission to infect earth? but I just don't get why that engineer suddenly wakes up and goes "oh it's been 2000 years, fuck it, I'm off to earth to infect it herp derp" who knows what they think. they arent human if you didnt notice. herp derp | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
On June 13 2012 05:37 Kojak21 wrote: who knows what they think. they arent human if you didnt notice. herp derp Actually........... + Show Spoiler + The enginners ARE human. Their DNA is 100% match to human beings | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On June 13 2012 05:37 Kojak21 wrote: who knows what they think. they arent human if you didnt notice. herp derp they had the exact same DNA as humans in case you didn't notice herp derp | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
I am a big sci fi fan and loved Alien and Aliens. I'm sure a lot of fans were excited when Ridley Scott was returning to the Alien universe. Sadly, there seems to be a lot of conflict between the writing and direction. Interesting enough, Prometheus was suppose to be an Alien prequel since the working title was, ta da, "Alien Prequel". One of the writers, Jon Spaihts, stated that Prometheus was intended to have A LOT of Alien connection such as the movie having facehuggers, Xenomorphs, being on LV-426 instead of 223, etc. An example would be the scene of Shaw in the medpod, who is frantically trying to extract the alien life form out of her. The original scene involved a facehugger instead of a squid. You can read more about it HERE The cast from the get go looked amazing with names such as Michael Fassbender, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, etc. Fassbender stole the show and is worthy to be in the hall of glory with Ian Holme and Lance James Henriksen (sorry Winona Ryder). Some characters I didn't enjoy too much was Theron's Meredith Vickers. She nailed the emotion of being a cold corporate woman, but I feel like they could have done more since Theron is a talented actress. At one point, I was thinking she might have been another secret android like in past Alien movies. Her relationship with Weyland and David is interesting. I would have liked to see more of her relationship with her father, Peter Weyland, but instead we got a "if you're going down there, you're going to die.." If they included that scene only to hope for some to be surprised that they are father and daughter, then I was not one of them. Noomi Rapace did an excellent job and I would consider her to be on par with Fassbender in performance. She is definitely different from Ripley, which is great because she is her own character. Another noteworthy performance would be Idris Elba's character, Janek, who I see as the new Parker instead not money hungry. ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ikphziCx1ql6fc4o1_400.gif) The visuals are top notch and the opening shot was beautiful. The CG used to create the star map on the bridge of the Engineer's ship was awesome. The cinematography was really good and there was a few things that you could not have made out. I wished the lighting was a little better when they showed the mural of a Xenomorph. Speaking of that mural, Holloway stated that "this is just another tomb", which means there had to be something on the other side of that mural. What can it be? Can it be a room of Xenomorph eggs? After all, the Engineers have different bioweapons in their chambers of horror. The representation of the Engineers was great. I don't know the exact quote, but what they were going is wanting to make the Engineers beautiful as an angel, but also terrifying. I think it worked out well. They were around 9 ft or so and their black eyes made them pretty creepy and soulless. I was VERY happy that they did not speak English or their own language. The engineers exchange with David at the end was great. The prototype Xenomorph at the end? Pretty cool, but was not really needed in my opinion. I felt like they did it to just have a stronger sense of it being in the Alien universe and fan service. What I would have liked was including the viral videos that we have gotten. I'm not saying we should add the whole thing, but maybe clips of it such as this: I think adding this when they were in their mission briefing would have given the movie goer audience an idea on what kind of man Peter Weyland was. Speaking of Guy Pierce, I thought it was ridiculous why they used him as old Weyland. I thought it would have been better if they just cast an old guy instead. Pierce's performance wasn't horrible or anything, but that makeup threw me off. Another is Shaw's Quiet Eye. I think having this would show how desperate Shaw is to wanting to meet her maker. I tought the pacing from Scotland to space was too fast. It would have been nice to see them trying to attempt to convince Weyland Corporation with this video. Overall, the movie definitely has its problems, but I feel that it will be explained in a sequel (hopefully soon and not another three decades). I followed the movie closely and I decided that it was better off walking into the movie with no expectations and an open mind. I walked into the movie not as an Alien fan, but as a fan of sci fi. Was I disappointed? I was at some parts of the movie, but I can understand why they did it. For Alien fans that wanted a full blown prequel and was disappointed, well you should have known better. As Shaw would say "We were so wrong!" ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3IN5F.jpg) | ||
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On June 13 2012 04:27 ilikeredheads wrote: another bang on review http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=prometheus_nutshell I think some people liked this movie because the stunning visuals really masked the stupidity of the plot and characters. If you really think about it, a lot of things was never explained or made no sense. The concept of the movie is interesting but the writing is just piss-awful. Props to all those who worked on the vfx, the only redeeming part of the movie. Not all things have to be explained imho. I liked the movie, there were certainly things that made me wonder about plotholes, but a lot of people need to watch the movie again because they haven't been paying attention the first time when you look at their rants. The movie leaves a lot of questions open, begging me to believe that the makers might have had a sequel in mind, or they had to cut the film back an hour halfway through.All in all it has been one of the most enjoyable movies I've seen at a theatre for a long time. It was refreshing to not have the urge to ask my money back for a change  On June 13 2012 05:42 mememolly wrote: they had the exact same DNA as humans in case you didn't notice herp derp There is enough variablility within humans, so DNA would look alike but there might be small details that change a lot in how you look. | ||
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ilikeredheads
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mememolly
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On June 13 2012 05:54 Flyingdutchman wrote: Not all things have to be explained imho. I liked the movie, there were certainly things that made me wonder about plotholes, but a lot of people need to watch the movie again because they haven't been paying attention the first time when you look at their rants. The movie leaves a lot of questions open, begging me to believe that the makers might have had a sequel in mind, or they had to cut the film back an hour halfway through.All in all it has been one of the most enjoyable movies I've seen at a theatre for a long time. It was refreshing to not have the urge to ask my money back for a change There is enough variablility within humans, so DNA would look alike but there might be small details that change a lot in how you look. so you're saying that small details in their DNA made one of them wake up after roughly 2000 years and decide to fly the cargo of black goo stuff to earth? | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On June 13 2012 06:18 ilikeredheads wrote: It's ok to leave some things open for interpretation, but not everything. It is hard to relate with the characters because their motivations were never explained. Shit just happened and they were not resolved. There was no pay off and it only makes you think why the fuck did this happen?? The movie tried to be too ambitious with themes of human origins and searching for immortality that the basic storytelling just fell apart. Which characters? I thought all the main characters had their motivations on why they were on their expedition, Shaw: Wants to meet those who are responsible in creating human life. Holloway: Wants to destroy all man made religions. If you listen to his lines, most of it seems like he wants to shove it in people's faces that none of the holy texts are legit. Vickers: This one can be tricky, but my guess is that she just wants to take over and be a queen (parallel to the king line) of Weyland Corporation. At one point, I was expecting her to secretly work under Yutanti for some reason lol. David: Being an android, he was curious about a lot of things and is continuously learning. I can see a lot of people seeing him as evil because of his actions, but I just see it that he is following Weyland's orders. After all, he did ask a question before spiking Holloway's drink, so he isn't THAT evil, lol. Weyland: He does not want to die and is hoping for a miracle from the Engineers. Going off of the TED viral video, he seems to have a God complex. Janek: He didn't really give an answer to Shaw's question, but maybe something tragic happened in his life that made him come on this expedition to meet their maker. I'm sure there are a lot more to these characters, but these are just quick rough points that I came up with (currently on lunch break from work). | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On June 13 2012 06:29 zoLo wrote: Which characters? I thought all the main characters had their motivations on why they were on their expedition, Shaw: Wants to meet those who are responsible in creating human life. Holloway: Wants to destroy all man made religions. If you listen to his lines, most of it seems like he wants to shove it in people's faces that none of the holy texts are legit. Vickers: This one can be tricky, but my guess is that she just wants to take over and be a queen (parallel to the king line) of Weyland Corporation. At one point, I was expecting her to secretly work under Yutanti for some reason lol. David: Being an android, he was curious about a lot of things and is continuously learning. I can see a lot of people seeing him as evil because of his actions, but I just see it that he is following Weyland's orders. After all, he did ask a question before spiking Holloway's drink, so he isn't THAT evil, lol. Weyland: He does not want to die and is hoping for a miracle from the Engineers. Going off of the TED viral video, he seems to have a God complex. Janek: He didn't really give an answer to Shaw's question, but maybe something tragic happened in his life that made him come on this expedition to meet their maker. I'm sure there are a lot more to these characters, but these are just quick rough points that I came up with (currently on lunch break from work). Holloway: Travels years to get there then goes into one of the temples for a few hours, finds a bunch of interesting shit but not interesting enough apparently so upon his return to the ship he gets drunk and sulks around, totally makes sense for someone who has presumably dedicated his life to this pursuit and traveled billions of miles from earth for it. David: keeps telling us that he isn't programmed to "feel" normal human emotions but displays them in abundance (deception, curiosity, even a change of heart near the end when he helps shaw) so is he a robot, or has he been programmed to be a schizophrenic robot? he could have easily been cast as a human with an agenda tbh, would have made more sense Captain: just a blue collar guy trying to get paid and laid, oh and he discovers from nothing the entire purpose of the planet as a military base etc, then commits suicide on the whim of Shaw no questions asked biologist: herp derp travels through space for 2 years to get scared of a dead body but not a live thing that lives in black goo, k geologist: there to make money apparently, how? who knows, doesn't matter he is a hard-ass for some reason, also has amazing mapping equipment but gets lost easily Blonde: wants daddy's corporation, dunno why she needed to be on the ship to fulfil this but whatever Shaw: only logical character in the whole thing, wants to find origin of life, ok I can role with that, the religious BS I could have done without as it added nothing but shows the conviction of her faith so it's fair tbh all the characters I could role with if the dialogue and decisions just weren't so fucking dumb and insulting, not to mention some of the random happenings like when Shaw gets pregnant runs off and removes the thing and no one says anything about it after | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
So many good/possible development, and yet most of them ends up completly forgotten a minute later... Why the heck are the engineers dead ? What did they were fleeing ? Where does the face huggers came from ? Why the fuck is there more ships ? Who decided it was some kind of weapons made in order to kill humans ? Why the fuck is the guy who got his face burned come back with a big head and start to roflstomp his mates ? In the end the only good shit is the alien showing his face at the last second. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On June 13 2012 06:48 mememolly wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 06:29 zoLo wrote: Which characters? I thought all the main characters had their motivations on why they were on their expedition, Shaw: Wants to meet those who are responsible in creating human life. Holloway: Wants to destroy all man made religions. If you listen to his lines, most of it seems like he wants to shove it in people's faces that none of the holy texts are legit. Vickers: This one can be tricky, but my guess is that she just wants to take over and be a queen (parallel to the king line) of Weyland Corporation. At one point, I was expecting her to secretly work under Yutanti for some reason lol. David: Being an android, he was curious about a lot of things and is continuously learning. I can see a lot of people seeing him as evil because of his actions, but I just see it that he is following Weyland's orders. After all, he did ask a question before spiking Holloway's drink, so he isn't THAT evil, lol. Weyland: He does not want to die and is hoping for a miracle from the Engineers. Going off of the TED viral video, he seems to have a God complex. Janek: He didn't really give an answer to Shaw's question, but maybe something tragic happened in his life that made him come on this expedition to meet their maker. I'm sure there are a lot more to these characters, but these are just quick rough points that I came up with (currently on lunch break from work). Holloway: Travels years to get there then goes into one of the temples for a few hours, finds a bunch of interesting shit but not interesting enough apparently so upon his return to the ship he gets drunk and sulks around, totally makes sense for someone who has presumably dedicated his life to this pursuit and traveled billions of miles from earth for it. Yeah, I get what you are saying, but I think the reason why he didn't express a whole lot of excitement like the rest because he was hoping to actually meet them. The only thing he was surprised of was the dead Engineer's body that was decapitated and the Xenomorph mural. He did say that there was possibly something behind it, which unfortunately, we never got to explore. I think him getting drunk after the first trip was understandable (to me). They have been traveling around Earth finding more of the same pictographs. When they finally got a sponsor or supporter, they stopped their lives for 2 years to be in sleep, woke up, found temples, and to his disappointment, they found no living Engineer. During the scene of him and Shaw in their bedroom, he said what they found in the caves was great and one of the greatest discovery in mankind, but he said he wanted to talk to them and ask them why they came and why they abandoned them. It wasn't until Shaw showed him the DNA matching that he was finally interested. Still, I think his biggest motive was meeting the Engineers instead of the things they found in the cave. Besides, Janek did say they only had about 6 hours until nightfall and then the storm came. David: keeps telling us that he isn't programmed to "feel" normal human emotions but displays them in abundance (deception, curiosity, even a change of heart near the end when he helps shaw) so is he a robot, or has he been programmed to be a schizophrenic robot? he could have easily been cast as a human with an agenda tbh, would have made more sense I think this specific David android model might be different by going off of this http://www.weylandindustries.com/david Captain: just a blue collar guy trying to get paid and laid, oh and he discovers from nothing the entire purpose of the planet as a military base etc, then commits suicide on the whim of Shaw no questions asked What Janek said about the temples being a military installation was logical to me. He never fully said for sure it was because he said maybe. Janek witnessing what happened to Millburn and Fifield's body just gave him an idea on what those vases or urns are carrying. I do agree that his suicide along with Chance and Ravel was pretty dumb, but I still think the reason he came aboard the expedition must have been from a past event along with the motive to crash the ship into the Engineer's ship. biologist: herp derp travels through space for 2 years to get scared of a dead body but not a live thing that lives in black goo, k Yeah, definitely. It feels as if the writers got lazy and wanted to kill off a character fast in order to keep the viewer's attention. This is the same for Fifield's crazed space zombie attack later. A forced action sequence. geologist: there to make money apparently, how? who knows, doesn't matter he is a hard-ass for some reason, also has amazing mapping equipment but gets lost easily Easy. Money that he will receive when the expedition is over. The expedition was financed by Weyland Corporation after all. Were they lost? I must have missed something because it felt like they were just trying to be active and be on their feet since they couldn't leave due to the storm. I didn't get a sense they were lost, but just paranoid from all the things they were experiencing. Blonde: wants daddy's corporation, dunno why she needed to be on the ship to fulfil this but whatever It's not a big explanation, but she said that she didn't want to wait two years or more in the corporate board room arguing who will take over the company while Weyland was searching for a miracle. Like I said in my small review, they could have done a lot more with Theron's character. I guess we can say that she came aboard in order to prove Weyland, Shaw, and Holloway wrong that there is no Engineer. Shaw: only logical character in the whole thing, wants to find origin of life, ok I can role with that, the religious BS I could have done without as it added nothing but shows the conviction of her faith so it's fair Shaw was one of my favorite characters and Rapace did an awesome job in this movie. I think her religious faith kept the movie interesting. I'm not religious and I know that some might find this movie offending. tbh all the characters I could role with if the dialogue and decisions just weren't so fucking dumb and insulting, not to mention some of the random happenings like when Shaw gets pregnant runs off and removes the thing and no one says anything about it after Yeah, the aftermath was done poorly, but you can tell on the look of Weyland and David that they knew what Shaw did. I'm surprised that they didn't talk about the squid, but I guess they just wanted to talk to the Engineer and worry about that later. I think they were the only ones that knew about Shaw's condition since this happened during the Fifield attack. On June 13 2012 07:51 WhiteDog wrote: I've seen the movie, it's so lackluster it's pityful. So many good/possible development, and yet most of them ends up completly forgotten a minute later... Why the heck are the engineers dead ? What did they were fleeing ? Where does the face huggers came from ? Why the fuck is there more ships ? Who decided it was some kind of weapons made in order to kill humans ? Why the fuck is the guy who got his face burned come back with a big head and start to roflstomp his mates ? In the end the only good shit is the alien showing his face at the last second. The engineer's bioweapon experiment(s) got out of hand and an accident occurred, which caused most of them to die. We can speculate that they were running from the contamination or outbreak. Maybe the giant squid. Maybe a xenomorph. Maybe a prototype Xenomorph at the end. Maybe a PREDATOR??!?!?! Just kidding. The facehuggers come from the traditional Xenomorph egg that we've seen in previous Alien movies. It is the first stage in their birth. Is it wrong that there are more ships? If you look closely, there are other temples lined up in that valley when the Prometheus first landed. This is one of the questions that is left open for speculation and will probably be explained in the movie. According to the interview with Ridley Scott, the Engineers were on good terms with humans until 2,000 years ago, AKA Space Jesus being crucified. Fifield got a high dose of the black liquid, which caused him to go berserk. The effect is different for each individual depending on their dosage level. | ||
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