On March 17 2012 09:07 d3_crescentia wrote: this community is just a westernized mirror of japanese moe-fan communities centered around a series featuring a large cast of characters
imo you are putting a square peg in a round hole here
On March 17 2012 09:07 d3_crescentia wrote: this community is just a westernized mirror of japanese moe-fan communities centered around a series featuring a large cast of characters
imo you are putting a square peg in a round hole here
Agreed. My friend tried to make the same argument but whenever he showed me something related to the moe genre I couldn't get into it at all despite his arguments that if I do in fact like FIM, I inevitably must like the moe genre and anime in general. Neither of them really interest me at all though.
The two might have vague similarities, but most things are similar in some way or another. I really don't think I'd put FIM in the moe genre and I'm not sure Faust was influenced by it either (no clue about this latter point though).
On March 17 2012 09:07 d3_crescentia wrote: this community is just a westernized mirror of japanese moe-fan communities centered around a series featuring a large cast of characters
imo you are putting a square peg in a round hole here
Agreed. My friend tried to make the same argument but whenever he showed me something related to the moe genre I couldn't get into it at all despite his arguments that if I do in fact like FIM, I inevitably must like the moe genre and anime in general. Neither of them really interest me at all though.
The two might have vague similarities, but most things are similar in some way or another. I really don't think I'd put FIM in the moe genre and I'm not sure Faust was influenced by it either (no clue about this latter point though).
I agree to this too. None of us watch it because of some cute-sexualisation business. The MLP characters simply aren't the cookie cutter generalised idealisations of what otakus want in a girl.
I didn't intend to make the argument that if you liked MLP:FIM you'd automatically like moe; moreso that a large section of the fanbase seems to relate to the source material in a similar way
it's an interesting question to think about whether it's because of the similarities in how the source material appeals to similar audiences, or if it's due to how modern fan-communities operate in general
I mostly think it's because in both cases, the shows are heavily character-driven and appeal strongly to imaginative people, many of which are also talented artistically in one way or another due to their imagination. That results in the impressive volume of fan work.
MLP:FiM in particular leaves a lot of room to explore the world and the characters. To some extent, it's intentional - we can't forget that the show also aims to sell toys and the best way to do that in this case is to, indeed, trigger and feed the viewer's imagination. For children, the toys themselves become a basis for the imagination to work on. The teenager/adult group expresses their imagined ideas differently, which is of course mainly through art.
The effect is similar with moe, but arises from a different intent. Moe shows often are either romcoms or slice-of-life shows, providing a sort of fantasy for the viewer to enjoy. That's how I understand it, at least.
Otaku and moe are far more complex social functions than bronies due to how general they are (spanning an entire genre). Because of the specifics of the term 'brony' it is actually more flexible than moe. In order for someone to like moe they have to like a very strict set of traits that define anything as moe, but with MLP you can like anything about the show and still be a brony.
I'm not investing any more thought into this because I simply don't care enough. I don't care to learn more about moe or anything to do with it, but I guess that itself is telling.
edit: because this thread is dead and would force me to double post >:|
Loads of funny moments. Fluttershy still assertive about avoiding dragons. The dragon from Dragonshy reappeared - CONTINUITY! Spike is best pony, now complete with phoenix pet. Dragon raids are full of casuals and noobs. Spike pulled aggro like a scrub before buffs. You know how real shit is when Rarity is willing to fight. Also, no compromises will be made for fabulousness.
Loved it. I figured at some point it would be more of a euphamism for rejecting the typical "macho" male identity, considering Spike basically hangs around a bunch of girls all day. But they didn't really drive it home, which was a good decision, and the comparison between Spike and the pheonix egg was a good emotional aspect. It is kind of weird that they just took the egg though.
Then again...The egg seemed to be abondoned so I guess it's not that bad (better then leaving it to those horrid dragons). Also, this episode confirms the badassery of a phoenix, and how adorable their young are. Still, I feel like they should resolve that somehow, even if it is in passing. The family might miss that egg...
Fluttershy would've been great in this episode for some more comedic effect, with her whole fear of dragons. Makes sense though, she wouldn't care about seeing a bunch of "scary dragons" migrating, but we need more Fluttershy. That's all really. EDIT: I actually missed the prologue, so I didn't realize she was in the episode at all, but even then, my point still stands.
I'm also curious as to what that letter said.
Good episode. Funny, lively, very good moral that was executed very well.
especially for a MW episode o_O - Soleron won't know what he'll miss out on (though to be fair, the characters /were/ mean like in other MW episodes, but it wasn't annoying in this one; I mean who hasn't actually met people like the stereotypical ones those dragons portrayed?)
the ep was incredibly well-paced, the visuals were awesome, a lot of cool lore like phoenixes with new abilities that will be added in HotS, Fluttershy still keeping her assertiveness and beating up RD, and Rarity being both kinda like a caricature but also still seemingly being in character and actually funny despite that, so I wasn't that annoyed at the exaggerations, and a lot of continuity which is always welcome and gives me not nerdchills but brony chills
plus a lot of stuff that I'll need to rewatch the ep for to really catch
Has anyone else noticed that season 2 just doesn't seem as good as season 1? I can't quite put my finger on it, but there just seems to be something missing from season 2.
I think outside of episodes like Lesson Zero, there's been a lot less "WTF" moments this season. Let me explain that further; I mean episodes that would make an outside (i.e. non-brony) observer say "wow, this show is pretty damn cool, instead of being the mindless drivel that I would normally associate with the My Little Pony franchise." While season 2 has plenty of continuity and the character development is still top-notch, it seems to lack the same epicness that some of season 1's episodes had. I mean, in season 1, Fluttershy learns to stick up for her friends by taking on a dragon the size of a parking garage; in season 2, she tells a minotaur that she's unsatisfied with his assertiveness seminar. In season 1, Rainbow Dash is forced to overcome her fear of failure by performing an aerial trick that literally no one else has ever been able to perform in order to save her friend and lifelong heroes from certain death. In season 2, her friends teach her to stop being a jerk by stealing her thunder, and she learns that books are cool. In season 1, Pinkie has unique knowledge of how to stop a swarm of ravenous insects from devouring Ponyville's food supply; in season 2 she learns to babysit.
Maybe I'm just tired and being hyper-critical, but other than Lesson Zero, there hasn't been a season 2 episode yet where my jaw actually dropped from the awesome.
On March 18 2012 04:32 LittleJoeRambler wrote: Maybe I'm just tired and being hyper-critical, but other than Lesson Zero, there hasn't been a season 2 episode yet where my jaw actually dropped from the awesome.
If you weren't completely and utterly satisfied with The Last Roundup, I really don't know what to say.
I don't think you're the only one who likes 1 more than 2. Season 1 gets an A+ on average from me and 2 will end up getting a B+/A- depending on how the last few episodes go (although my reasoning for liking S1 more might not be exactly the same as yours)
I wouldn't say Lesson Zero is the only amazing episode in S2 though, there's several.