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On June 17 2015 05:24 jinorazi wrote:Greatest thing, imo, about this show is the audience. When jon died I couldn't wait to check out the agony in writing. When things are different from the book, the purists crying foul. These are great and I hope yall keep it up 
Imagine if Season 6 actually comes out before TWoW. Then there will be no-one to complain about the show diverging from the books
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On June 17 2015 05:34 Sholip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:24 jinorazi wrote:Greatest thing, imo, about this show is the audience. When jon died I couldn't wait to check out the agony in writing. When things are different from the book, the purists crying foul. These are great and I hope yall keep it up Imagine if Season 6 actually comes out before TWoW. Then there will be no-one to complain about the show diverging from the books
You vastly underestimate the internet's ability to complain about anything and everything.
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On June 17 2015 05:02 Spaylz wrote:
So, in light of this recent season, how many of you guys will watch season 6?
I'm honestly on the fence.
I sincerely hope TWOW comes out before.
I don't know. I didn't like the quality of this season, i think it only gets worse when there is zero source material.
Do i really wanna experience the broad story in a show which (imo) lost a lot of quality? No.
But it is easy to say that now, one year before it actually matters, so yeah..
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On June 17 2015 05:34 Sholip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:24 jinorazi wrote:Greatest thing, imo, about this show is the audience. When jon died I couldn't wait to check out the agony in writing. When things are different from the book, the purists crying foul. These are great and I hope yall keep it up Imagine if Season 6 actually comes out before TWoW. Then there will be no-one to complain about the show diverging from the books
So when someone points the glaring weaknesses of the nonsense plot lines everyone will have respond with actual arguments instead of "Purists!! You just hate it cause it's different!"
Can't wait
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On June 17 2015 05:48 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:34 Sholip wrote:On June 17 2015 05:24 jinorazi wrote:Greatest thing, imo, about this show is the audience. When jon died I couldn't wait to check out the agony in writing. When things are different from the book, the purists crying foul. These are great and I hope yall keep it up Imagine if Season 6 actually comes out before TWoW. Then there will be no-one to complain about the show diverging from the books So when someone points the glaring weaknesses of the nonsense plot lines everyone will have respond with actual arguments instead of "Purists!! You just hate it cause it's different!" Can't wait
Yea, it might be kind of nice. Show apologists won't have that crutch to fall back on.
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On June 17 2015 05:34 Sholip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:24 jinorazi wrote:Greatest thing, imo, about this show is the audience. When jon died I couldn't wait to check out the agony in writing. When things are different from the book, the purists crying foul. These are great and I hope yall keep it up Imagine if Season 6 actually comes out before TWoW. Then there will be no-one to complain about the show diverging from the books
People will go from comparing the show to the books to comparing the show to the as of yet unwritten books, and it will be so much worse. We got a first taste of that with Stannis, where everyone and their mother knows with absolute certainty that he will never, ever sacrifice his own daughter, and there's no way he will ever look like the bad guy in the books. People will base their arguments on what they think will happen in books that haven't been written yet.
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On June 17 2015 05:02 Spaylz wrote:
So, in light of this recent season, how many of you guys will watch season 6?
I'm honestly on the fence.
I sincerely hope TWOW comes out before.
I'll watch it for sure, but I'm not particularly excited for it. I've invested enough into it and I want to see how it concludes. It would have to get terribly bad (everything as bad as Dorne) before I'd give up on it. DnD have at times created good minor deviations from the book, I'm hoping that they can at some point put together a coherent major deviation from the books. Maybe Sansa as lady stoneheart getting vengeance on the Freys and Boltons could be that quality deviation. It would fit her now as this broken woman. I really hope they don't send her back to the Vale and pretend like she never went to Winterfell and lost her virginity to a monster. That would be ridiculously inconsistent with the show story.
Meanwhile, i'm still really excited for TWoW and hoping it comes out soon with the same quality that GRRM has set for the books.
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+ Show Spoiler +Why did they shoehorn the Night's Watch stabbing Jon into this episode? It doesn't make any sense in the show, especially since they're outnumbered like 5 to 1 by wildlings who were only somewhat loyal to Jon. In the books they had valid reasons for stabbing him, in the show it's apparently just because Jon brought wildlings past the wall, even though wildlings have been at the wall since the end of last season.
It makes the Night's Watch look like a bunch of petty idiots instead of showing any "betrayal" on Jon's part. Plus, it gives Alliser Thorne's character a complete 180 out of nowhere; at least it made sense that Olly would be in it.
If Jon is actually dead come next season, the wildlings should just kill the rest of the Watch, but with DnD's bad fanfic writing you never know.
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Killing Jon after letting him through the wall with an army of wildlings makes no sense. If they were so against it they should never have opened the gate in the first place. Without the pink letter it makes no sense at all.
On the other hand i was really surprised they included Thorne in the FTW. I really thought they would leave him out given his background and appearances in the show/books. He didn't seem the kind of guy to go against the highest authority no matter what.
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Fuck we have to kill Stannis. Lets have 10 random things coincidently happen to him in two episodes so he marches against the boltons with no fucking horses, no scouts and no preparation so he can just like die. Oh wait we need to have Sansa finally manning up BUT BRIENNE MISSES IT BECAUSE SHE GOES AFTER STANNIS OMG THIS IS BRILLIANT! She´s been looking at the damn tower for so long and suddently she turns around when Sansa finally does something, and she just wanders around and finds Stannis, amazing. Not at all random as fuck. Not at all Stannis entire storyline butchered.
That + Dorne is just... a monkey could write this better. Is GRRM really involved anymore? How can he sign off on this?
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The show still produces good scenes but the average quality is so low that ive decided not to ruin my book reading experience any further and just wait for twow. D&D just cant handle the material without having a set path to follow. I will probably come back to the show in like 10 years or whatever
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On June 17 2015 07:01 shark. wrote:
Killing Jon after letting him through the wall with an army of wildlings makes no sense. If they were so against it they should never have opened the gate in the first place. Without the pink letter it makes no sense at all.
On the other hand i was really surprised they included Thorne in the FTW. I really thought they would leave him out given his background and appearances in the show/books. He didn't seem the kind of guy to go against the highest authority no matter what.
Shouldn't Jon be able to by-pass the Wall with ships anyway? How was it solved in the books? He did not go and it was a disaster, right? So the wildlings were only those who surrendered after the massacre that Stannis brought onto them?
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This last season of the show brilliantly summed up in one picture:
![[image loading]](http://asset-2.soup.io/asset/12277/8962_264e_500.gif)
I'm not really sure how could anyone (including GRRM) make Stannis into this harsh but honest man, who has gone to extreme lengths to try and save his only daughter in her infancy to so simply just give her away to die a horrible death. Then, with all his tactical experience he decides to march on a heavily fortified position with few men etc. etc.
I know that Melisandre leaving his side, his daughter and wife dying might have left him a broken man with a death wish, but to give this falling of a man (which was one of the biggest things to happen in this boring season) next to no exposition, just jumping from one short scene to another, culminating in a 1 minute battle sequence...
I'm lost for words here. I knew this show wasn't very good, but I expected some higher production quality considering the cast, the budged and it being HBO.
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On June 17 2015 05:34 Sholip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:24 jinorazi wrote:Greatest thing, imo, about this show is the audience. When jon died I couldn't wait to check out the agony in writing. When things are different from the book, the purists crying foul. These are great and I hope yall keep it up Imagine if Season 6 actually comes out before TWoW. Then there will be no-one to complain about the show diverging from the books
I would say challenge accepted, but it wouldn't be. (a challenge)
The DnDdar is as simple as: Did X happen without a much reason or even outright randomly, with a chunky or no build up, or is it plainly out of character?
Sure, we'd miss some when they did something that they invented well. I think the general consensus has been to respect the good divergences though. They don't exactly call for criticism. We'd catch plenty of the bad divergences.
Have no fear for the purists jinorazi. It's the unsullied who sound like they are on the brink of giving up on 'A Show'.
On June 17 2015 07:22 disciple wrote:
The show still produces good scenes but the average quality is so low that ive decided not to ruin my book reading experience any further and just wait for twow. D&D just cant handle the material without having a set path to follow. I will probably come back to the show in like 10 years or whatever
I would have done this after season 4 if it thought it were possible. I don't think it is. Best of luck. If you pull it off that is awesome. (or maybe really bad, I think it will involve some serious hiding under a rock)
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I won't watch season 6 if it comes before WoW because -as diferent as it may certainly be from the book- it WILL have spoilers, and I don't want that for my reading.
Season 5 was mediocre at best, with a single great episode (08) and many, many flaws, but I'd still watch season 6 if wasn't for the spoilers.
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Even if TWoW will come out before the next season, I very much doubt that season 6 will not still contain major spoilers for the last book(s). They're already shifting around plots and storylines from one season to the other, and now that the writers don't even know for sure what will happen in TWoW, I wouldn't be surprised if we'd get quite a bit more than TWoW spoiled for us in the next season.
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pretty funny to think that the show might be over in 2017 (season 7), and with GRRM's normal pace, aDoS won't be out until 2021
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Episode 10 was the most watched episode in the history of the show. 8 million viewers compared to 2 million during season 1 episodes. Book readers are a very small minority at this point and as such should really not expect the show to be a 1:1 translation anymore. Are the books better? Sure. Is the show bad? The numbers say no, unless you continue to think you're watching the books.
I pretty much treat it like a separate entity and - despite the lesser quality this season - still think it's one of the best shows on TV in recent decades.
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On June 17 2015 11:03 Serejai wrote:
Episode 10 was the most watched episode in the history of the show. 8 million viewers compared to 2 million during season 1 episodes. Book readers are a very small minority at this point and as such should really not expect the show to be a 1:1 translation anymore. Are the books better? Sure. Is the show bad? The numbers say no, unless you continue to think you're watching the books.
I pretty much treat it like a separate entity and - despite the lesser quality this season - still think it's one of the best shows on TV in recent decades.
I wish more people were like you lol. I'm the same way I view them as separate. A lot of book readers rate this season as bad, I thought it was good, but then again I am also like you viewing the show as different.
Don't think a lot of book readers understand why the show does what it does and why it would change certain arcs (Fake Ayra with Sansa for example). They don't have a high enough budget, enough time to be able to do all these characters and of course they want you to care, let alone a lot of people felt like this season was dragging and they cut out a lot of the boring parts out of the books (book 4 for example).
Can't wait till next season :D
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On June 17 2015 11:03 Serejai wrote:
Is the show bad? The numbers say no, unless you continue to think you're watching the books.
Since when did numbers tell one how good or bad a show is.
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