EPTThinking about Melisandre's timing of getting to the Black Wall. I think she is going to use blood magic to resurrect Jon Snow (like many others have guessed). I feel like it would fit her perfectly. In the last episode she seems very guilty every time they show her. I think the sacrifice of Shireen was not to help Stannis at all, but rather so she could resurrect Jon Snow. This would fit in line with her feelings of guilt which she never showed prior to episode 10 and would also justify her reasoning for suddenly going back to the Wall behind Stannis' back.
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Imperfect1987
United States558 Posts
Thinking about Melisandre's timing of getting to the Black Wall. I think she is going to use blood magic to resurrect Jon Snow (like many others have guessed). I feel like it would fit her perfectly. In the last episode she seems very guilty every time they show her. I think the sacrifice of Shireen was not to help Stannis at all, but rather so she could resurrect Jon Snow. This would fit in line with her feelings of guilt which she never showed prior to episode 10 and would also justify her reasoning for suddenly going back to the Wall behind Stannis' back. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 16 2015 10:02 redviper wrote: Why is everyone who has read the book assuming the Melisandre is somehow evil? She seems to be a force for good, talking about fighting against the Others instead of conquering the north. This is the thing that bothers me the most about the show, the dehumanizing of Melisandre. And its so pointless. She is going to save Jon ( i am assuming) and that would make her a key part of the fight against Others. Ugh, and that sex scene was just ridiculous. You could really tell how depressed she was when she arrived back at the wall. Also I may be forgetting but what sex scene? Don't remember there being any. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On June 16 2015 12:15 blade55555 wrote: You could really tell how depressed she was when she arrived back at the wall. Also I may be forgetting but what sex scene? Don't remember there being any. yeah me either... maybe they cut it? | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
Huh, so now we saw the massacre that was hinted at in Ramsey's letter to Jon in the books. Stannis probably not dead, I'd say. But who knows. Not sure why Brienne wouldn't leave Pod behind to check the candle if she had to go. Still not taking that vow very seriously, eh. I liked the face Mel did when she realised Stannis wasn't the one. Then she got the hell out of there before they all went onto their deaths. Smart. Stannis probably wouldn't have listened to her if she had warned him, either. So stubborn. That kiss made it so obvious there was poisioning going on. Then I forgot about it with all the 'I knew all along' and remembered what was supposed to happen when I saw the nose bleed. Who was it that suggested Sam go to the citadel in the books? I seem to remember Sam being quite reluctant and had to be forced... You'd think Sansa would know secret escape routes and stuff. She had plenty of time to gtfo before Reek stepped in and become a little more like himself. Tyrion & Varys. Awesome. I liked the way they made Jaquen not be present like that. Was annoying to see him in Braavos when he's in Oldtown in the books. They dodged a bullet there. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18405 Posts
On June 15 2015 21:46 Plexa wrote: Stannis being "the greatest [living] strategist" would also be pretty invaluable vs the WWs. All very well, but the greatest living strategist tried to besiege Winterfell with a quarter of the men the Boltons had and no supplies at all for a prolonged siege. Roose Bolton is clearly the better stratagist. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On June 16 2015 13:01 Acrofales wrote: All very well, but the greatest living strategist tried to besiege Winterfell with a quarter of the men the Boltons had and no supplies at all for a prolonged siege. Roose Bolton is clearly the better stratagist. Don't confuse crap they put into the show with what's going on in the books. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
On June 16 2015 13:01 Acrofales wrote: All very well, but the greatest living strategist tried to besiege Winterfell with a quarter of the men the Boltons had and no supplies at all for a prolonged siege. Roose Bolton is clearly the better stratagist. Im in a very dangerous place since I haven't read the books lol. Stannis is a great strategist, its just he just kinda went crazy on those 2 last episodes | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On June 16 2015 13:50 shin_toss wrote: Im in a very dangerous place since I haven't read the books lol. Stannis is a great strategist, its just he just kinda went crazy on those 2 last episodes Well, this thread is dark and full of spoilers. But in general, no: the show!Stannis is horribly incompetent in battlefield matters. Book!Stannis is indeed a great strategist and tactician, see here for analysis, with him likely pulling off an Alexander Nevsky on the Frey/Bolton forces in the opening chapters of AWOW and drowning most of the enemy forces in freezing water, and the Manderly's likely turning cloak for Stannis. Then again Book!Stannis is a categorically better dude than show!Stannis, so it shouldn't be surprising. RARGH. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On June 16 2015 01:26 marttorn wrote: Anyway, after this episode it seems obvious that + Show Spoiler [S6/TWOW] + Qyburn works for Dorne, and Shagga (son of Dolf) is the Valonqar + Show Spoiler [S6/TWOW] + Hopefully. There was a serious lack of Shagga in the latest episodes though, so they might cut his storyline from the show Completely unrelated to that: How sure are we, that Myrcella is dead? She is badly wounded by Gerold Dayne in the books as well and survives that, so she might survive the poison here. Seems not that likely to me for a few reasons, but it might happen. Edit: Just saw, that a Youtube-Vid on the GoT-Channel is called "Myrcellas long farewell" (name of a poison, which Tyene described as 100% deathly earlier), so she is probably gone (This also gives he prison-scene a bit of a purpose). I hope Duran has Areo execute Ellaria next season, it would make him look very weak if he doesn't. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On June 16 2015 14:31 Xoronius wrote: + Show Spoiler [S6/TWOW] + Hopefully. There was a serious lack of Shagga in the latest episodes though, so they might cut his storyline from the show Completely unrelated to that: How sure are we, that Myrcella is dead? She is badly wounded by Gerold Dayne in the books as well and survives that, so she might survive the poison here. Seems not that likely to me for a few reasons, but it might happen. Edit: Just saw, that a Youtube-Vid on the GoT-Channel is called "Myrcellas long farewell" (name of a poison, which Tyene described as 100% deathly earlier), so she is probably gone (This also gives he prison-scene a bit of a purpose). I hope Duran has Areo execute Ellaria next season, it would make him look very weak if he doesn't. I really hate how they butchered Dorne, and i'm very forgiving, a few bad scenes, some bad acting, pointless shock scenes i can take, hell, i expect, as i said earlier Tyenne showing her boobs to his poison-victim made her more Oberyn-esqu, and at least they showed the poison they used, and that it's not Ellaria alone, she needed Tyene. What i cannot forgive is if they make Doran look like an idiot. He s one of my favorite in the books, and i like the actor they cast. As things stand there are 2 options> A. He sanctioned the poisoning, in which case WTF, that's not clever at all, and sending your only son along for appearances is not a very bright strategy, Dorne is gonna be blamed regardless, claiming ignorance and saying "i even sent my son, im innocent" might work (or might not), if ur only goal was to murder Myrcella, and make peace afterwards. <- extremely dumb B. He didnt know, in which case, great fucking job doran, u re a dumb shit, outfoxed by a self-declared instigator, you blew ur peace with the Lannisters unwillingly, you shown for those at home that u can be fooled by fucking Ellaria+ Tyene, and now u'll have to try to save face, by punishing them, losing the goodwill of the Sandsnake sympathizers and those who would want a war. Or you can say, ok, we'll go along with this now, war it is, then u just let fucking Ellaria dictate the entire foreign-policy of Dorne, great job Either of those situation mean Eddard Stark level of dumbness, coming from supposedly one of the greatest schemer of the series. I really hope it's some kind of option C. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On June 16 2015 13:50 shin_toss wrote: Im in a very dangerous place since I haven't read the books lol. Stannis is a great strategist, its just he just kinda went crazy on those 2 last episodes Welcome to the real story  Since you are here willingly let me tell you that in the book Dany fighting pits scene is not stupid as like everyone knows you cannot hide 200 assassins and Unsullied are not incompetent warriors like in the show. So in the books there is no attack on Dany but they try to poison her instead. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 16 2015 09:13 RenSC2 wrote: Doran vs Ellaria Okay, so Doran is a master strategist and schemer playing the long game. Except, he lets one of his biggest assets (Myrcella) get murdered right in front of him in the show and now his son's future doesn't look too bright. He got out-schemed by Ellaria sand? That sucks. You know what would have been awesome? If right after the kiss, Doran tells Ellaria to give Myrcella her necklace as repayment. Then he gives Bronn a little nod and Bronn knowingly returns the nod. Then we don't even bother with the Myrcella scene. Her heartwarming talk with her father can come next season amid some tragedy. Instead, we would see Ellaria stoically watch the ship sail off as her nose bleeds and then she collapses. That would keep Doran at the top of the pecking order and we know not to fuck with him. That is actually so brilliant. And so in character for Doran. Damn. I would have LOVED that scene. But well, D&D are in it for the shock value in the end. Honestly, when you try to decompose this season, you see that the show starting to rely a whole lot on shock value and deaths. I think I saw someone point this out on reddit or in this thread, but GoT started with a slow drama-like pace which gradually increased in S1, then S2. But even when it was slow, it was good television and good storytelling. This was due to the fact that they had the book to work with, yes, but it also seemed that D&D were actually quite good at adapting the books. Now though, as the show progresses, they are rushing things more and more, always faster and faster. GoT has sort of transformed into an action/shocking show, as opposed to a drama/story show. To put it more clearly, I feel like D&D have left behind the slow drama and the more elaborate character development in favour of action scenes, death scenes, and so on. Am I the only one who feels this way? | ||
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 16 2015 16:22 Packawana wrote: I thought about this earlier, but Myrcella's death might actually provide a good catalyst for a replacement for a plot point in the books. A war with Dorne might substitute for Aegon's invasion. This allows the show to continue telling the story of Westeros returning to war without complicating it with Aegon, Blackfyres, and Jon Connington. Assuming Daenerys comes to Westeros next season (if we're only getting 7 seasons she has to return to Westeros next season or else there won't be enough build-up time), we can still get Doran's "Fire and Blood" plan. It also likely means we'll get Jaime in the Riverlands because Cersei will push him out of the capital for allowing Myrcella to perish. Eh, why not. I know I don't want another season with the Sand Snakes though. But more Doran? Bring it. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On June 16 2015 16:03 Spaylz wrote: That is actually so brilliant. And so in character for Doran. Damn. I would have LOVED that scene. But well, D&D are in it for the shock value in the end. Honestly, when you try to decompose this season, you see that the show starting to rely a whole lot on shock value and deaths. I think I saw someone point this out on reddit or in this thread, but GoT started with a slow drama-like pace which gradually increased in S1, then S2. But even when it was slow, it was good television and good storytelling. This was due to the fact that they had the book to work with, yes, but it also seemed that D&D were actually quite good at adapting the books. Now though, as the show progresses, they are rushing things more and more, always faster and faster. GoT has sort of transformed into an action/shocking show, as opposed to a drama/story show. To put it more clearly, I feel like D&D have left behind the slow drama and the more elaborate character development in favour of action scenes, death scenes, and so on. Am I the only one who feels this way? The show has been going downhill since season 2. When they skipped through best Arya travel scenes I knew what is going to happen. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
I think that the Pink Letter was actually sent by Stannis even before the battle, in an attempt to tip the scale in his favor by tricking Jon into helping him. That would make it very ironic as Stannis would've indeed met the fate described in his own letter. | ||
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chroniX
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On June 16 2015 07:37 Koerage wrote: the bronn prison scene was to show us the poison that killed Myrcella, at least i think it;s the same poison (not to defend it, it was a terrible scene. but that was the point i believe) Bronn was hit by venom entering his blood, while Myrcella ingested whatever poison was on Ellaria's lips. Unless Myrcella has cracked lips or an Ulcer, there is no reason to think it's the same poison. Besides, it's not as if people in Dorne using poison is something new that needs to be set up. We've already met Oberyn. Not that a poisoning has to be set up at all in the first place. We didn't need to spend three episodes to set up Olenna's affinity for assassination by poison. She just did it. It's just a stupid plot line that makes no sense. Why do they even resent Myrcella that much? She a fast track ticket to ruling King's Landing and she is both engaged to and in love with their cousin. If anything, wait for the marriage, go kill Tommen and then you rule the world. Fucking idiots. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Going to spend my Monday stalking HBO producers, walking behind them yelling "Shame, Shame" and ringing a bell. Bran, Rickon, and Hodor had a great season though. You know it is an episode of #GameofThrones when two people jumping from the top of a wall is the most hopeful scene Why doesn't George RR Martin use Twitter? Because he probably killed all 140 characters. I think I need to watch Schindler's List a few times to cheer me up after tonight's #GameofThronesFinale. Dear #GameofThrones my new favorite character is Ramsay Bolton, I repeat Ramsay Bolton ....I hope nothing bad happens to him  ![[image loading]](http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-06/15/8/enhanced/webdr02/enhanced-buzz-31059-1434371966-5.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-06/15/9/enhanced/webdr10/enhanced-buzz-29468-1434373915-13.jpg) | ||
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