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On June 16 2015 16:03 Spaylz wrote:
Now though, as the show progresses, they are rushing things more and more, always faster and faster. GoT has sort of transformed into an action/shocking show, as opposed to a drama/story show. To put it more clearly, I feel like D&D have left behind the slow drama and the more elaborate character development in favour of action scenes, death scenes, and so on. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Absolutely. I'm not sure who to blame for this, though. At some point D&D must have realized that there is way too much plot left to film (even if they'd cut unimportant plots left and right) for just 2-3 more seasons that they just couldn't keep the original pace up.
Originally they probably thought, hey, 2 more seasons for 2 more books, sounds good! But then they realized that GRRM's prediction of writing just 2 more books might be a tad unrealistic for all the stuff that's still left to do, and by that point they were stuck with doing just 2 more seasons, regardless of how much plot is left. So rushing it was the only option. Which kinda sucks, really.
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On June 16 2015 10:38 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:02 redviper wrote:
Why is everyone who has read the book assuming the Melisandre is somehow evil? She seems to be a force for good, talking about fighting against the Others instead of conquering the north. This is the thing that bothers me the most about the show, the dehumanizing of Melisandre. And its so pointless. She is going to save Jon ( i am assuming) and that would make her a key part of the fight against Others.
Ugh, and that sex scene was just ridiculous. Who did she fuck? I saw the gif on reddit but I must have watched a censored version or something, or not been paying attention. Cause I didnt see it at all. lol
She has been having sex with Stannis (odd because Stannis would never break his vows) and tried to have sex with Jon Snow (who is much more likely to break his vow, but did not).
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On June 16 2015 20:09 Geo.Rion wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Twitter reactions are genuinely hillarious: Going to spend my Monday stalking HBO producers, walking behind them yelling "Shame, Shame" and ringing a bell. Bran, Rickon, and Hodor had a great season though. You know it is an episode of #GameofThrones when two people jumping from the top of a wall is the most hopeful scene Why doesn't George RR Martin use Twitter? Because he probably killed all 140 characters. I think I need to watch Schindler's List a few times to cheer me up after tonight's #GameofThronesFinale. Dear #GameofThrones my new favorite character is Ramsay Bolton, I repeat Ramsay Bolton ....I hope nothing bad happens to him  ![[image loading]](http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-06/15/8/enhanced/webdr02/enhanced-buzz-31059-1434371966-5.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-06/15/9/enhanced/webdr10/enhanced-buzz-29468-1434373915-13.jpg)
Rickon returns in aDoS to wrap his hands around Cersei's pale white throat and choke the life from her
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The show has just become more realistic, good guys never win in real life.
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I didn't think the show was bad. I just think they should:
1. Not have fucked around with putting Sansa in Winterfell, which basically zero'd all character progression from Season 4, and made a horrible mess of the Winterfell plot. Brienne strolling through the forest, and stumbles upon Stannis. Ramsay gives 0 shits about capturing the king and commander of opposing army. Myranda is a 1d cardboard cutout of a character.
2. Not fucked up Dorne. The conclusion we can draw from Dorne in the series is that Doran is a spineless, stupid wretch who either has a terrible plan, or is completely blind to Ellaria's scheming. Neither of which make for a convincing or interesting character, which is a real shame, because Doran is one of the most interesting and promising characters from AFFC. The sand snakes seem to know they are parodies of themselves, see Tyene's last line to Bronn which was a fitting conclusion to an absolutely horrible story arc.
The other foibles and mess ups are quite forgiveable and make for decent TV shortcuts, but they completely botched Sansa, Brienne, Stannis and Dorne storylines. However much people complain about Sansa and Brienne in the books, they serve a purpose in showing how fucked up the world is, and Sansa learning to play the game. Brienne ends up in a far more interesting place than she does in the show. I'd also like to believe that the Battle of Winterfell and Siege of Meereen will be resolved in a far better manner.
Tyrion ruling Meereen does make more sense than Selmy doing it. I'll give the show that.
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I don't know, episode 10 just left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt very rushed compared to the rest of the season which was really slow. The scene with Cersei was really wayyy too long (they needed to fill the BOOBS quota of the episode? I almost muted the sound after hearing "shame, shame" for the 19385th times) and on the other hand it took 30seconds to kill Jon Snow who seemed to be one of the most important character of the whole story...
As was explained very well by others : when the red wedding happens you fall out of your chair, everything is just dramatic and you have no idea what just happened. However when you see fucking olly unhappy and then he goes to see Jon just in the last 2 minutes of the last episode of the season yelling "yey benjen is alive follow me Jon" you're like " -_- we all know where this is going", then you watch the obvious happen and you tell yourself "well that wasn't very good".
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On June 16 2015 14:31 Xoronius wrote:+ Show Spoiler [S6/TWOW] +Hopefully. There was a serious lack of Shagga in the latest episodes though, so they might cut his storyline from the show Completely unrelated to that: How sure are we, that Myrcella is dead? She is badly wounded by Gerold Dayne in the books as well and survives that, so she might survive the poison here. Seems not that likely to me for a few reasons, but it might happen. Edit: Just saw, that a Youtube-Vid on the GoT-Channel is called "Myrcellas long farewell" (name of a poison, which Tyene described as 100% deathly earlier), so she is probably gone (This also gives he prison-scene a bit of a purpose). I hope Duran has Areo execute Ellaria next season, it would make him look very weak if he doesn't.
hey can someone give me a link to the shagga/valonqar theory?
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On June 17 2015 01:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 14:31 Xoronius wrote:On June 16 2015 01:26 marttorn wrote:Anyway, after this episode it seems obvious that + Show Spoiler [S6/TWOW] +Qyburn works for Dorne, and Shagga (son of Dolf) is the Valonqar + Show Spoiler [S6/TWOW] +Hopefully. There was a serious lack of Shagga in the latest episodes though, so they might cut his storyline from the show Completely unrelated to that: How sure are we, that Myrcella is dead? She is badly wounded by Gerold Dayne in the books as well and survives that, so she might survive the poison here. Seems not that likely to me for a few reasons, but it might happen. Edit: Just saw, that a Youtube-Vid on the GoT-Channel is called "Myrcellas long farewell" (name of a poison, which Tyene described as 100% deathly earlier), so she is probably gone (This also gives he prison-scene a bit of a purpose). I hope Duran has Areo execute Ellaria next season, it would make him look very weak if he doesn't. hey can someone give me a link to the shagga/valonqar theory?
If the men of the mountain make a comeback in winds, no matter what else, it is the greatest book ever, of all time
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On June 17 2015 01:01 RouaF wrote:
I don't know, episode 10 just left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt very rushed compared to the rest of the season which was really slow. The scene with Cersei was really wayyy too long (they needed to fill the BOOBS quota of the episode? I almost muted the sound after hearing "shame, shame" for the 19385th times) and on the other hand it took 30seconds to kill Jon Snow who seemed to be one of the most important character of the whole story...
That means the walk of atonement was done right. Its supposed to be this long and painful thing the breaks a person and those watching it.
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On June 17 2015 01:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 14:31 Xoronius wrote:On June 16 2015 01:26 marttorn wrote:Anyway, after this episode it seems obvious that + Show Spoiler [S6/TWOW] +Qyburn works for Dorne, and Shagga (son of Dolf) is the Valonqar + Show Spoiler [S6/TWOW] +Hopefully. There was a serious lack of Shagga in the latest episodes though, so they might cut his storyline from the show Completely unrelated to that: How sure are we, that Myrcella is dead? She is badly wounded by Gerold Dayne in the books as well and survives that, so she might survive the poison here. Seems not that likely to me for a few reasons, but it might happen. Edit: Just saw, that a Youtube-Vid on the GoT-Channel is called "Myrcellas long farewell" (name of a poison, which Tyene described as 100% deathly earlier), so she is probably gone (This also gives he prison-scene a bit of a purpose). I hope Duran has Areo execute Ellaria next season, it would make him look very weak if he doesn't. hey can someone give me a link to the shagga/valonqar theory?
puny flat-landers are not fit to know the visage of Shagga son of Dolf
That means the walk of atonement was done right. Its supposed to be this long and painful thing the breaks a person and those watching it.
Agreed, more or less, in that I think it was a sound decision to make it that long. In my opinion, more time could have been saved for some other part, because with the relative shortness of Winterfell/Stannis-Brienne interaction and For The Watch, the episode feels abrupt in some parts and very elongated on Cersei.
Rather, I think the time given to Cersei was appropriate for the end to such an important part of the story; Cersei's imprisonment (though it won't really conclude until frankenmountain fights + Show Spoiler [!!!!] +), but felt strange when compared to how quickly and brutally Stannis' arc was finished. Within about 10 minutes we go from "he sacced his daughter, this might work out," to "half of everyone has deserted, Mel has abandoned him, wife is dead, he's fighting on an open field and half the people he has left are fleeing, oh shit Stannis is dead/crushed"
It's a problem of how they spaced it out over the season. There wasn't really time to give justice to Stannis' big fight and Cersei's confession/walk in the same episode.
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On June 17 2015 02:00 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 01:01 RouaF wrote:
I don't know, episode 10 just left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt very rushed compared to the rest of the season which was really slow. The scene with Cersei was really wayyy too long (they needed to fill the BOOBS quota of the episode? I almost muted the sound after hearing "shame, shame" for the 19385th times) and on the other hand it took 30seconds to kill Jon Snow who seemed to be one of the most important character of the whole story...
That means the walk of atonement was done right. Its supposed to be this long and painful thing the breaks a person and those watching it.
precisely. They also had to close down a sacred place just to shoot it. They wanted you to have a response to it and they did.
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I thought Kings Landing and Braavos were done rather well in the last episode.
We can nitpick about Lena not going nude herself and thus the weird CGI in the scene, but overall it was great.
I hope we soon get some infos about casting in season 6, even though i am really unsure if i will even watch the next season tbh
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On June 17 2015 02:18 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 02:00 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2015 01:01 RouaF wrote:
I don't know, episode 10 just left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt very rushed compared to the rest of the season which was really slow. The scene with Cersei was really wayyy too long (they needed to fill the BOOBS quota of the episode? I almost muted the sound after hearing "shame, shame" for the 19385th times) and on the other hand it took 30seconds to kill Jon Snow who seemed to be one of the most important character of the whole story...
That means the walk of atonement was done right. Its supposed to be this long and painful thing the breaks a person and those watching it. precisely. They also had to close down a sacred place just to shoot it. They wanted you to have a response to it and they did.
Boredom? Yeah, they got that right.
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On June 16 2015 22:46 helpman176 wrote:
The show has just become more realistic, good guys never win in real life.
You have to be a very twisted person to call show Stannis a good guy.
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On June 17 2015 03:37 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 22:46 helpman176 wrote:
The show has just become more realistic, good guys never win in real life. You have to be a very twisted person to call show Stannis a good guy.
Book Stannis is not better in any ways, he hasnt sacrificed his daughter yet, but he did murder his brother-in-law in addition to his actual brother and the person who practically raised him (the Maester)
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Hard to say where to start… it’s been a VERY predictable episode. Arya killing Meryn Trant was brutal and gruesome. Hard to imagine that’s our horse faced Arya that did her water dancing in season 1. It’s such a contrast to how we see her otherwise interacting in the AGOT universe. Her part is the most faithful to the books.
Stannis, the tactical genius, the greatest military commander in Westeros, is sieging Winterfell with a thousand starved men and a red priest. Melisandre leaving his side was a nice surprise. The ride to the wall takes 16 days.. she made it in a day.
Brienne chancing on Stannis at the same time that a candle is lit by Sansa? Come on.. But alright. She sentences Stannis on the spot and we get an ending to his arc. Your typical lust-for-power/lose-your-soul deal. Why did we need a season of build up for this cliché ending. Could’ve dealt with it in 2-3 episodes and be done with it.
Sansa is growing as a character. Her confrontation of Theon leads to his growth and the death of that one girl with the bow. At least the Stark children have gone full circle and are on the run together. What this will lead to in the show I honestly don’t even want to speculate anymore. Brienne will chance upon them for sure, Boltons will be mad, new characters in the north will be introduced in season 6. Rickon is alive and with the Umbers (in the show).. so he has a rightful claim to Winterfell… so the point of Sansas marriage to Ramsay - at this point – whatever.
Dorne happened and Cersei loses another child.. Blood for blood considering what happened to Elia Martell and her children. But it’s such a stupid assasination. She swore fealty to Doran, so now she’s dead. I wish I could care more, but I don’t.
Jon Snow and FTW happened. Lousy execution overall – felt more like revenge against Jon than it was FTW. Guess Alister Throne does that to a scene. No warging though.. Guess Melisandre will do a resurrection so he can get FTW-stabbed again? Or join the Wildlings.. because his authority as Lord Commander is zilch right now.
Tyrion and Varys happened. Guess it’s back to season 2 antics for these two. Jorah and Daario go on the prowl looking for a khaleesi. Daenerys is found by a khalasar. Confusion ensues.
Walk of shame felt lacking as all hell. The build-up of the books wasn’t there.. but they still draaaaaged it out for shock value. They could’ve cut it some and it would’ve made much more sense.
Overall I’m not feeling any excitement for the season to come and this season hasn’t lived up to the books in the least. An enormous disappointment so I'm rereading ADWD chapters. On the plus side – TWOW is coming soon!
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So, in light of this recent season, how many of you guys will watch season 6?
I'm honestly on the fence.
I sincerely hope TWOW comes out before.
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On June 17 2015 05:02 Spaylz wrote:
So, in light of this recent season, how many of you guys will watch season 6?
I'm honestly on the fence.
I sincerely hope TWOW comes out before.
You may be on the fence now, but when season 6 actually starts, you will be watching. So will I, and most of those who complain about the show being so bad, I think.
But yeah, TWoW should really come out sooner.
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Greatest thing, imo, about this show is the audience. When jon died I couldn't wait to check out the agony in writing. When things are different from the book, the purists crying foul. These are great and I hope yall keep it up 
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