EPTbut lets give credit where its due, we wouldnt have what we have without DnD and who could have done it better? i guess michael bay movie would have been better? (and some people would still love it)
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
but lets give credit where its due, we wouldnt have what we have without DnD and who could have done it better? i guess michael bay movie would have been better? (and some people would still love it) | ||
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RenSC2
United States1094 Posts
On June 17 2015 14:07 jinorazi wrote: but lets give credit where its due, we wouldnt have what we have without DnD and who could have done it better? i guess michael bay movie would have been better? (and some people would still love it) That's a little unfair. DnD were both almost unknowns before GoT. Weiss literally has no credits on IMDB that predate GoT. Benioff has a few credits for writing/directing/producing that predate GoT (25th Hour, Troy, Stay, When the Nines Roll Over, The Kite Runner, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and Brothers). Troy and the X-Men spinoff are the big names to me and those are both writing credits for Benioff. I don't think either one of them is known for the great writing. They've done a nice job of adaptation when they stick closely to the books. However, their original writing skills seem to be really questionable. Here's a funny callout of DnD's writing by Preston Jacobs (lot's of interesting GoT conspiracy theories on his youtube channel): The thing is, there are plenty of basically unknown writers who I'm thinking could have done a better job at writing the adaptation, especially when it comes to new plot lines. Unfortunately, nobody else has ever had the chance. New plot lines do not seem to be DnD's strength. Instead, DnD do have strengths as producers and they seem to be good at getting things done, such as getting GoT made in the first place. And for that reason, I cut them a little bit of slack. I think they (or whoever is in charge of casting) is doing a nice job on casting overall. They've done a good job of getting the necessary budget from HBO to do big things. The CGI is usually good with the occasional understandable slip-ups. They've also usually been good at getting solid directors, but clearly made some mistakes this past season on directing choices. That can be remedied easily enough. However, they need to leave the writing to someone who is willing to spend the time to understand the characters and the plots and understand how they fit together. That's where DnD seem to fail. Instead, they seems to just want to hit us with shock value over and over again since deviating from the books. That's not what the book series is about and I don't feel like that was what the first 3 seasons of GoT were about. Yes, they had shocking moments, but they made sense in-context and that's the huge difference between quality writing and the sub-par stuff we got this season. I want DnD to stay on as producers, but they really need to hire an expert writer (whether known or unknown) to take over that part of it. They're just completely out of their league and are failing to live up to the quality they set when they followed the source material. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
He is killing it as Theon. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On June 17 2015 15:43 Spaylz wrote: One thing for sure: Alfie Allen deserves major praise. He is killing it as Theon. The acting in general is very good in the show, even from unknown actors, that s why it hurts so much when we get god-awful acting every once in a while, cuz we re used to quality performances | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 17 2015 18:11 Cricketer12 wrote: It will be fun to see Tyrion and Varys going Season 2 2.0 next year. Also, Kit Harrington going all out to convince us he is dead They really are trying a little too hard to convince us he is dead. They didn't do this with the previous deaths. I mean, as far as the scene goes, it's pretty convincing in showing he is dead. He certainly LOOKS dead on the final shot. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On June 17 2015 15:43 Spaylz wrote: One thing for sure: Alfie Allen deserves major praise. He is killing it as | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18405 Posts
On June 17 2015 11:15 blade55555 wrote: I wish more people were like you lol. I'm the same way I view them as separate. A lot of book readers rate this season as bad, I thought it was good, but then again I am also like you viewing the show as different. Don't think a lot of book readers understand why the show does what it does and why it would change certain arcs (Fake Ayra with Sansa for example). They don't have a high enough budget, enough time to be able to do all these characters and of course they want you to care, let alone a lot of people felt like this season was dragging and they cut out a lot of the boring parts out of the books (book 4 for example). Can't wait till next season :D So Dorne was 100% good storytelling in your opinion? I enjoy the show. I didn't think this season was as good as previous ones, because a lot of the arcs broke character portrayal, despite a scene in isolation being immerse and strong. Stannis burning Shireen, for example. If seen out of context, it made sense in the episode and was very well executed. When seem in Stannis' overarching story in the show, it breaks out of what they built him up to be. Same for Littlefinger dumping Sansa at Winterfell. Dorne, however, they didn't even bother with making individual scenes convincing. It is a concatenation of brainfarts. | ||
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helpman177
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 17 2015 21:35 helpman177 wrote: Yeah it looks like the Dorne scenes were outsourced to an Indian film company which they found on elance.com. Lol, as a freelancer that actually made me laugh. Such a random shot at this third-world pay freelance platform. I like it. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On June 17 2015 07:41 Manit0u wrote: This last season of the show brilliantly summed up in one picture: ![[image loading]](http://asset-2.soup.io/asset/12277/8962_264e_500.gif) I'm not really sure how could anyone (including GRRM) make Stannis into this harsh but honest man, who has gone to extreme lengths to try and save his only daughter in her infancy to so simply just give her away to die a horrible death. Then, with all his tactical experience he decides to march on a heavily fortified position with few men etc. etc. I know that Melisandre leaving his side, his daughter and wife dying might have left him a broken man with a death wish, but to give this falling of a man (which was one of the biggest things to happen in this boring season) next to no exposition, just jumping from one short scene to another, culminating in a 1 minute battle sequence... I'm lost for words here. I knew this show wasn't very good, but I expected some higher production quality considering the cast, the budged and it being HBO. his army was like 200 people at the end there i thought it was supposed to be the biggest army in the world -_- i cudnt tell if they had forgotten to cgi some more men in i guess this link tells details http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Armies did shareen, jon and stannis all die in the book (like in the film)? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 18 2015 00:13 FFGenerations wrote: his army was like 200 people at the end there i thought it was supposed to be the biggest army in the world -_- i cudnt tell if they had forgotten to cgi some more men in i guess this link tells details http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Armies did shareen, jon and stannis all die in the book (like in the film)? No, yes, no. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
stannis hasn't fought the battle yet so he cud still die like the film jon got stabbed the same as the film (probably) it doesnt seem to specifiy if shareen went with stannis from the wall or not, but she is probably with him. stannis wants her on the throne if he dies but she is still susceptible to death from millseandre. so she cud die soon like the film | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2015 00:48 FFGenerations wrote: ok so stannis hasn't fought the battle yet jon got stabbed the same as the film (probably) it doesnt seem to specifiy if shareen went with stannis from the wall or not + Show Spoiler [TWOW] + Stannis has Theon for king's blood as well which means the shireen sacrifice isn't even needed | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On June 18 2015 00:48 FFGenerations wrote: ok so stannis hasn't fought the battle yet so he cud still die like the film jon got stabbed the same as the film (probably) it doesnt seem to specifiy if shareen went with stannis from the wall or not, but she is probably with him. stannis wants her on the throne if he dies but she is still susceptible to death from millseandre. so she cud die soon like the film shireen is actually at Castle Black in the books, so she is not with Stannis. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On June 18 2015 00:51 Drazerk wrote: + Show Spoiler [TWOW] + Stannis has Theon for king's blood as well which means the shireen sacrifice isn't even needed + Show Spoiler + the wiki doesnt specify if he wins the battles or not. it just says Stannis plans to have Theon Greyjoy executed, hoping to gain favor with his northern allies by exacting justice for the murders of Bran and Rickon Stark. this doesnt imply that he won the battle right . lol meanwhile sansa is apparently afk for a whole season | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2015 01:03 FFGenerations wrote: + Show Spoiler + the wiki doesnt specify if he wins the battles or not. it just says Stannis plans to have Theon Greyjoy executed, hoping to gain favor with his northern allies by exacting justice for the murders of Bran and Rickon Stark. this doesnt imply that he won the battle right . lol meanwhile sansa is apparently afk for a whole season + Show Spoiler + The battle still hasn't happened in Twow but its unlikely it will happen till near the end of the book given the davos / rickon subplot and what not In fact given Stannis' position there is no way shereen would ever die in the books unless Mel kills her simply to bring Jon back from the dead | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On June 18 2015 01:28 Drazerk wrote: + Show Spoiler + The battle still hasn't happened in Twow but its unlikely it will happen till near the end of the book given the davos / rickon subplot and what not In fact given Stannis' position there is no way shereen would ever die in the books unless Mel kills her simply to bring Jon back from the dead TWOW spoilers + Show Spoiler + GRRM told us he means to settle both the battle in the sand and the battle in the ice rather quickly, so probably in the first 1/4 of the book. Now Stannis migth beat the Boltons, D&D confirmed the Shereen sacrifice happens, but it could be in a number of different ways, Stannis's position is rather good from the sneak-peek chapter. But GRRM likes to make it look like the more likeable, presumed underdog actually is looking to win, then suddenly he dies. He did this 3-4 times with duels and battles, at least (Dondarrion, Oberyn, Robb). Also, to whoever said Theon is king's blood, no he's not, Stannis treating Theon as a prince would mean he's accepting Balon as a legitimate King, which i dont think he would, since he already put his rebellion down once, and cast a Leech with his name on it to the fire, so yeah, he's a rebel, not a king. | ||
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