[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 636

On June 09 2015 08:40 Spaylz wrote:


Yep. It wasn't good too. Stannis wasn't listening to Davos, and only changed his mind when Melisandre said Davos was right.

On June 09 2015 06:04 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Why are people even proposing that Shireen might burn in the books. It's ridiculous.

First of all it can't happen. Mel is at CB, Shireen is at Eastwatch* (correction), and Stannis is at Winterfell. End.

...but there is more.

Book Stannis is the founding member of the "Mel is just a charlatan" club. He is using her, she is using him, they both know it and per Mel have known it all along. He wouldn't make a giant compromise for her. He doesn't think he is some kind of prince who was promised who has to be the one to win this. He even made some preparations to the effect of ensuring that the war could go on without him with the intent of placing Shireen on the throne.

If she burns it will be under very different circumstances to the point that the comparison between the events is pointless. It might as well be a different character.

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Yes! Bring on the converts! There is always more room for supporters of the king over the ashes.

On June 06 2015 18:31 Spaylz wrote:
Ehhh...

I don't know. Some of the points seem valid, like the focus on the wildlings. Others not so much. Brothers of the Night's Watch are referred to as "crows" by more than just wildlings.

Yoren was referred to as a wandering crow more than once.

I don't know. I'll admit I am slightly more skeptical, but I still think Ramsay wrote it. The argument about the wax is just silly. Winterfell was sealing letters with white wax because it was the seat of House Stark. It is no longer the case. Winterfell is now the seat of House Bolton, so it's not odd that he would seal the letter with pink wax.

edit: Not to mention that Mance is not a "true" wildling, and alledgedly climbs the Wall to go into the Seven Kingdoms on a regular basis. He would know how to write like a Westerosi, and not like a wildling.

On June 09 2015 10:52 Leporello wrote:
What bothers me still is the Unsullied being the smallest, most worthless army ever, and that a bunch of rich, pansy ex-slave-owners with robes and daggers can just kill them all.

On June 09 2015 11:58 coverpunch wrote:

It's just Dany fundamentally misusing her army in her attempts to change the local culture. The Unsullied are supposed to be an army for crushing opponents in the open field, after which the masters maintain order by converting the defeated to slaves.

On June 09 2015 08:16 TheFish7 wrote:
I would think we'd see Reek+Sansa escaping Winterfell, and I would guess that Brienne is sort of taking Asha's place now? Then of course Dany's meeting the Khalasar, Cersei's walk of shame, then Jon stabbed, massive cliffhanger, fade to black.

On June 09 2015 15:39 AndreWiles wrote:


How do the unsullied beat anyone in the field? They seem to all be spearmen, in which case cavalry archers, aka dothraki would destroy them in the open.

On June 09 2015 16:25 Spaylz wrote:


In the books, we hear a lot about the story involving the Unsullied beating back a Dothraki horde when they were outnumbered something crazy, like 8 to 1. According to the book and the history within it, it all came down to formation.

I don't think the poor performance of the Unsullied on the show is due to Dany misusing them. The Unsullied aren't some sort of niche soldiers. They're supposed to be fairly polyvalent soldiers.

On the asoiaf wiki, it's even specified that they make excellent guardsmen, and are also at their best in the phalanx battle formation.

As sad as it is, the Unsullied's poor performance on the show comes down to bad choreography/cinematography, and plot. As we've all seen, the choreography really has taken a severe hit this season. It's not just the Unsullied.

edit: according to the wiki, the odds of the Dothraki battle were more like 1:5.

On June 09 2015 18:06 AndreWiles wrote:


Yeah i've read about that, the dothraki must have been dumb enough to try and engage in melee combat. It doesn't make any sense if it was otherwise, any wise strategist would just rain arrows down on the spearmen and gallop away when the spearmen got close.

On June 09 2015 22:53 Geo.Rion wrote:

Well, no, cuz the Unsullied are disciplined and can set up a shield-turtle kinda formation with their round shields, i think something like that was even shown in the books at one point or another.

I think the "usual" response to static shield bearers by mounted fighters is to run them down, however the Unsullied do not break, they hold formation so trying to brake their lines with a charge is highly ineffective.

At least that s how i pictured the Dothraki vs Unsullied battle, im no military expert

On June 09 2015 22:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
The whole Danny-Drogon scene didnt even come close to living up to expectations, and again, 0 layer, 0 depth to that story, everyone sees Danny getting up to the dragon, no poisoning, no speculation whether she died, Hizdahr seems to be dead, although who the hell knows, maybe he lived.

On June 09 2015 23:04 Conti wrote:

Okay, I just have to ask: How would you do the scene to keep the people guessing on whether Dany lived or died?

On June 09 2015 23:06 Cricketer12 wrote:
They have I think confirmed Jon and Cersei scenes having been filmed. Arya will most likely get blind. Promo makes it look like Stannis v Bolton will happen which if I'm right Stannis will lose.

On June 09 2015 23:09 Geo.Rion wrote:

not the people who wtach, the characters in the show. How do they deal with the possible demise of Danny, what's their move in that situation? Would have been interesting to see, unlike in the books, there's Tyrion and Jorah, and Missandei is an adult, Daario isnt a prisoner so you know... something resembling to a drama? reactions, emotions, dialogue, no? well, ok then...