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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 09 2015 14:36 GMT
#12721
The harpy have been particularly unmotivated this season no intrigue or even suggestion from the show as to who is behind it... almost as bad as the high sparrow adaption.
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helpman176
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 15:17:59
June 09 2015 15:13 GMT
#12722
List of main plot lines that have been left out in the show:
  • The Winterfell murders
  • Oldtown
  • Ser Loras' crazy Dragonstone adventures
  • The siege of Riverrun
  • Brienne meets Lady Stoneheart
  • The Kingsmoot
  • Jamie declining Cersei's invitation
  • Quentyn Martell freeing the dragons
  • Aegon Targaryen, John Connigton
  • Arya's face change
  • The Bloody Flux
  • Wyman Manderly scheming and sending Davos to get Rickon
  • Ramsay's false 'Arya Stark'
  • Jamie following Brienne to LSH
  • The siege of Meereen
  • The poisoned locusts
  • Euron Greyjoy's trip to the East
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 09 2015 15:24 GMT
#12723
On June 10 2015 00:13 helpman176 wrote:
List of main plot lines that have been left out in the show:
  • The Winterfell murders
  • Oldtown
  • Ser Loras' crazy Dragonstone adventures
  • The siege of Riverrun
  • Brienne meets Lady Stoneheart
  • The Kingsmoot
  • Jamie declining Cersei's invitation
  • Quentyn Martell freeing the dragons
  • Aegon Targaryen, John Connigton
  • Arya's face change
  • The Bloody Flux
  • Wyman Manderly scheming and sending Davos to get Rickon
  • Ramsay's false 'Arya Stark'
  • Jamie following Brienne to LSH
  • The siege of Meereen
  • The poisoned locusts
  • Euron Greyjoy's trip to the East



thats a lot to cram into a 10 hour season dont you think?
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 15:49:28
June 09 2015 15:49 GMT
#12724
Some of those have been replaced, f. example Fake-Arya's been replaced with Sansa, but at the expense of another plot, namely Sansa living in the Eyrie and taking care of Robin, and learning from Littlefinger. It was semi-part of S4, but it's still the loss of a plot. The siege of Riverrun, well, I totally disagree with what they did with Jaime, would have been better to just cast Oakheart, Dayne etc and do Dorne properly, so Jaime can do what he's supposed to be doing in the Riverlands.

Also it's hard to set up Jaime's rejection of Cersei in Dorne, cause the whole reason he went there was to gain her approval back, so clearly he's still infatuated with her.

thats a lot to cram into a 10 hour season dont you think?


Almost as if the show could be significantly better with a longer season! Sadly theres only so much sweet HBO money to go around
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Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
June 09 2015 15:52 GMT
#12725
Regarding Oldtown, didn't Doran mention having four nieces in the last episode? I'd check but mobile connection right now.

If I'm right, that means 3 sandsnakes and 4 nieces, so... Sarella Sand confirmed? Oldtown confirmed?
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
June 09 2015 17:02 GMT
#12726
On June 10 2015 00:52 Dismay wrote:
Regarding Oldtown, didn't Doran mention having four nieces in the last episode? I'd check but mobile connection right now.

If I'm right, that means 3 sandsnakes and 4 nieces, so... Sarella Sand confirmed? Oldtown confirmed?

Sam mentioned Oldtown at some point, too. I really am curious what book Sam is going to do and achieve in Oldtown, I honestly have no clue. But for some reason I'd really like to see Oldtown in the show, no matter what its plot purpose actually ends up being.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
June 09 2015 17:13 GMT
#12727
Next season we should get the oldtown and ironborn plotlines going but the rest is new stuff that has been altered
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domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 17:28:33
June 09 2015 17:28 GMT
#12728
On June 10 2015 00:24 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 00:13 helpman176 wrote:
List of main plot lines that have been left out in the show:
  • The Winterfell murders
  • Oldtown
  • Ser Loras' crazy Dragonstone adventures
  • The siege of Riverrun
  • Brienne meets Lady Stoneheart
  • The Kingsmoot
  • Jamie declining Cersei's invitation
  • Quentyn Martell freeing the dragons
  • Aegon Targaryen, John Connigton
  • Arya's face change
  • The Bloody Flux
  • Wyman Manderly scheming and sending Davos to get Rickon
  • Ramsay's false 'Arya Stark'
  • Jamie following Brienne to LSH
  • The siege of Meereen
  • The poisoned locusts
  • Euron Greyjoy's trip to the East



thats a lot to cram into a 10 hour season dont you think?

Considering how bloated the show has gotten, it's great that they left out / haven't introduced those details.

I would have preferred more exclusions. Less supporting characters, less non-essential scenes. and more screen time for main characters and central plot lines.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9275 Posts
June 09 2015 17:50 GMT
#12729
I wonder why did they choose to make Meryn Trant a pedo, it's not like Arya needs additional reasons to kill him
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Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
June 09 2015 18:18 GMT
#12730
On June 10 2015 02:50 Sent. wrote:
I wonder why did they choose to make Meryn Trant a pedo, it's not like Arya needs additional reasons to kill him

Arya doesn't, but the viewers do. It's a simple way of making it perfectly fine to have Arya kill him ruthlessly.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 09 2015 18:18 GMT
#12731
inspired by the mercy chapter in twow I would guess.
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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
June 09 2015 18:29 GMT
#12732
But... he fought Syrio and beat Sansa... what more do they need? Just flashback those in the opening, aaaand done.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
June 09 2015 18:38 GMT
#12733
On June 10 2015 03:18 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 02:50 Sent. wrote:
I wonder why did they choose to make Meryn Trant a pedo, it's not like Arya needs additional reasons to kill him

Arya doesn't, but the viewers do. It's a simple way of making it perfectly fine to have Arya kill him ruthlessly.

Is Arya "too old" to kill him though?

bad joke i know
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Kamari
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden87 Posts
June 09 2015 18:47 GMT
#12734
How is it going with the next book by the way, is there an roughly estimated date for when it should be released?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 19:11:17
June 09 2015 19:06 GMT
#12735
On June 10 2015 00:52 Dismay wrote:
Regarding Oldtown, didn't Doran mention having four nieces in the last episode? I'd check but mobile connection right now.

If I'm right, that means 3 sandsnakes and 4 nieces, so... Sarella Sand confirmed? Oldtown confirmed?

Didn't he say Ellaria had 4 children with Oberyn?

On June 09 2015 23:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
Also who is hyped for Crow's Eye next season?

I am hyped, but so far they botched the Iron Borns so hard (and Dorne this season) that i am kinda scared tbh :D
Who would you guys cast for Euron?

On June 10 2015 03:47 Kamari wrote:
How is it going with the next book by the way, is there an roughly estimated date for when it should be released?

GRRM wants to release it before next season starts, no idea if that is realistic though (let's hope it is)
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
June 09 2015 19:12 GMT
#12736
On June 10 2015 03:47 Kamari wrote:
How is it going with the next book by the way, is there an roughly estimated date for when it should be released?


2016 most likely - but you never know; migth as well be 2116 :-P

On June 10 2015 00:13 helpman176 wrote:
List of main plot lines that have been left out in the show:
  • The Winterfell murders
  • Oldtown
  • Ser Loras' crazy Dragonstone adventures
  • The siege of Riverrun
  • Brienne meets Lady Stoneheart
  • The Kingsmoot
  • Jamie declining Cersei's invitation
  • Quentyn Martell freeing the dragons
  • Aegon Targaryen, John Connigton
  • Arya's face change
  • The Bloody Flux
  • Wyman Manderly scheming and sending Davos to get Rickon
  • Ramsay's false 'Arya Stark'
  • Jamie following Brienne to LSH
  • The siege of Meereen
  • The poisoned locusts
  • Euron Greyjoy's trip to the East


I mostly dislike the fact that they left out Lady Stoneheart and Aegon :-/
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9275 Posts
June 09 2015 19:28 GMT
#12737
On June 10 2015 04:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 23:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
Also who is hyped for Crow's Eye next season?

I am hyped, but so far they botched the Iron Borns so hard (and Dorne this season) that i am kinda scared tbh :D
Who would you guys cast for Euron?


I WOULDN'T cast Madds Mikkelsen. For some reason everyone wants to see him play Euron but I don't think it's a good idea. I think Euron should look like a rogue or a pimp, even the actor who plays Daario now would be a better match.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 09 2015 19:42 GMT
#12738
I could see Madds Mikkelsen, i am not really concerned about looks too much tbh, most actors in the show don't really look too much like the characters of the books tbh.
I just want someone who can play the role, i think Mikkelsen could do it pretty well.
My personal favorite would be James Purefoy though, i loved him in ROME, i think he would be perfect
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 22:20:40
June 09 2015 22:11 GMT
#12739
On June 10 2015 00:13 helpman176 wrote:
List of main plot lines that have been left out in the show:
  • The Winterfell murders
  • Oldtown
  • Ser Loras' crazy Dragonstone adventures
  • The siege of Riverrun
  • Brienne meets Lady Stoneheart
  • The Kingsmoot
  • Jamie declining Cersei's invitation
  • Quentyn Martell freeing the dragons
  • Aegon Targaryen, John Connigton
  • Arya's face change
  • The Bloody Flux
  • Wyman Manderly scheming and sending Davos to get Rickon
  • Ramsay's false 'Arya Stark'
  • Jamie following Brienne to LSH
  • The siege of Meereen
  • The poisoned locusts
  • Euron Greyjoy's trip to the East


Victarion's contribution to the coming battle in Meereen (big enough to stand alone)

A couple lords of the north have copies of papers legitimizing Jon, freeing him of his NW vow, and declaring him KitN and Robb's heir.

The 'real' dance of Sansa betrothals and Vale politics.

It appears very possible that Jon is not a 'warg' for the show's purposes.

The nuance that Coldhands' existence adds to the 'Ice and blue eyes' version of undeath.

Iron Bank is directly backing the Night's Watch

Iffy and commented ones:

Freeing the smaller dragons could still happen in around the same point, it will just be different people doing it.

The difference in Tyrion between book and show is basically a lost plot point. He (and a bit of Jorah) seems to be set to merge with Barristan going forward.

And most important of all...Jalabar Xho! He has to matter eventually, right? Right!? He's not just mentioned every time the faces at court in KL are for the sake of adding color...is he?


On June 10 2015 00:52 Dismay wrote:
Regarding Oldtown, didn't Doran mention having four nieces in the last episode? I'd check but mobile connection right now.

If I'm right, that means 3 sandsnakes and 4 nieces, so... Sarella Sand confirmed? Oldtown confirmed?


Don't read anything into it. They already mentioned the full headcount of 8 sand snakes last season.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
June 10 2015 03:56 GMT
#12740
Guys, they already casted Euron:

+ Show Spoiler +
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On June 09 2015 22:56 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 22:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
On June 09 2015 18:06 AndreWiles wrote:
On June 09 2015 16:25 Spaylz wrote:
On June 09 2015 15:39 AndreWiles wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:58 coverpunch wrote:
On June 09 2015 10:52 Leporello wrote:
What bothers me still is the Unsullied being the smallest, most worthless army ever, and that a bunch of rich, pansy ex-slave-owners with robes and daggers can just kill them all.

It's just Dany fundamentally misusing her army in her attempts to change the local culture. The Unsullied are supposed to be an army for crushing opponents in the open field, after which the masters maintain order by converting the defeated to slaves.


How do the unsullied beat anyone in the field? They seem to all be spearmen, in which case cavalry archers, aka dothraki would destroy them in the open.


In the books, we hear a lot about the story involving the Unsullied beating back a Dothraki horde when they were outnumbered something crazy, like 8 to 1. According to the book and the history within it, it all came down to formation.

I don't think the poor performance of the Unsullied on the show is due to Dany misusing them. The Unsullied aren't some sort of niche soldiers. They're supposed to be fairly polyvalent soldiers.

On the asoiaf wiki, it's even specified that they make excellent guardsmen, and are also at their best in the phalanx battle formation.

As sad as it is, the Unsullied's poor performance on the show comes down to bad choreography/cinematography, and plot. As we've all seen, the choreography really has taken a severe hit this season. It's not just the Unsullied.

edit: according to the wiki, the odds of the Dothraki battle were more like 1:5.


Yeah i've read about that, the dothraki must have been dumb enough to try and engage in melee combat. It doesn't make any sense if it was otherwise, any wise strategist would just rain arrows down on the spearmen and gallop away when the spearmen got close.

Well, no, cuz the Unsullied are disciplined and can set up a shield-turtle kinda formation with their round shields, i think something like that was even shown in the books at one point or another.

I think the "usual" response to static shield bearers by mounted fighters is to run them down, however the Unsullied do not break, they hold formation so trying to brake their lines with a charge is highly ineffective.

At least that s how i pictured the Dothraki vs Unsullied battle, im no military expert


Their shields are too small, they are not Romans who used tower shields.


Phalanx gets bonus dmg vs horses. It is known.
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