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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
maybe RLJ is just a background noise that'll never see actual story telling but if it is to be part of story telling, it needs a catalyst and howland reed, knowing the truth behind jon, could be the one to make such claim. someone in position would need to acknowledge RLJ for it to mean anything. If he survives fire like dany, then there would be some explaining to do. otherwise witnesses will be guessing left and right. | ||
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Gullis
Sweden740 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Gullis
Sweden740 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
or it can play out as something no one will ever know or only play a subtle role where knowing the actual history will be nothing more than a shock factor for jon. | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
Granny: Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons? George_RR_Martin: Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold. Revanshe: So she won't be able to do it again? George_RR_Martin: Probably not. | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
Is that how this fan theory thing works? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 11 2015 05:44 Serejai wrote: He said "probably not". Dany confirmed to give birth to a new set of dragons by walking into fire again. Is that how this fan theory thing works? Hm you have to add some stuff to it. Let's see, song of ice and fire, we already have fire dragons, Dany will give birth to ice dragons. How? Hm, she will meet with Stannis and make him burn his daugther. Ok that seems plausible. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On June 11 2015 06:29 Sent. wrote: So Dany is not immune to fire completely but does she have something like fire resist stats? I'm not sure but I think I remember reading something about her doing something in hot water before the dragons were born. Like it was just warm for her but extremely hot for her Dothraki servants. No, per the above SSM she isn't always fire immune. Yes. She seems to have a high heat tolerance. Maybe up to the point that something that would begin to cause a simple burn is fine by her. That isn't unique to her though. Dunk wonders at Egg's indifference to heat a few times. Dance caught me in that confusion because of the use of the term/description "inferno wind" to inconsistently describe dragon's breath vs. dragon's fire breath. I thought Drogon blasted her floppy ears off in the pit on first read. (That was so much more fitting too.) It might be up for some re-clarification. When he got around to nailing things down for WoIAF there were some retcons. Anything that hasn't been clarified more recently must be considered less than certain. I wouldn't bet in favor though. Dragons themselves lost complete fire immunity in those retcons. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
In light of that response, my theory is that birthing a dragon does require a human sacrifice, in the case of Dany's 3 dragons it would be Mirri Maz Durr, Drogo, and Rhaego, although its a bit of a stretch. That would then be a magical event where Dany as the Dragonrider would be immune to the flames and thus bound by blood to the dragons. If that all is true, then the big question is - What happened at Summerhall? | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On June 11 2015 12:49 SKC wrote: Honestly a lot of the magic in ASoIaF is kinda bullshit and has no real explanation. It's not the kind of universe with laws of magic, it's more theatrical. I think it's more a case of Dany being immune to fire in that moment because he thought it would look cool for her to rise out of ashes and so magicky things happen. Birthing dragons and human sacrifice could be related, but the fire thing to me sounds like something that won't be explained because there is no explanation behind it. Rigth, although you could argue, that there are multiple types of magic in this universe, 3 easy chategories would be ice/death magic, nature/earth magic and fire/light magic. So when you cast serious fire magic spells (and resurrection, shadowbinding, illusions all belong in this chategory), you need blood as "mana" (cuz you cannot just sustain it from your own life force, we actually do know from Mel that casting spells on her own take a toll, which she tries not to show), so when you use bloodmagic, u're basically immune to fire, cuz u're tapping into that element. Much like Melisandre seems to eminate heat all the time, cuz she actually uses fire spells a lot, when Danny intuitively casts the massive dragon-hatching bloodmagic spell, she's immune to fire because of it. Okay guys, Imma go back now, and play some DA:O with an elemental bloodmage | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On June 11 2015 12:49 SKC wrote: Honestly a lot of the magic in ASoIaF is kinda bullshit and has no real explanation. It's not the kind of universe with laws of magic, it's more theatrical. I think it's more a case of Dany being immune to fire in that moment because he thought it would look cool for her to rise out of ashes and so magicky things happen. Birthing dragons and human sacrifice could be related, but the fire thing to me sounds like something that won't be explained because there is no explanation behind it. I see all magic in SoI&F being Blood Magic or a variation. Actually we have no proof of Gods even existing, just schools of Blood Magic use using Gods to make them more accepted to the general population. Melissandre uses blood or life force for all her big magic and parlor tricks for small "magic". We know Old Gods did sacrifices and that powers their servants. Jojen Blood is used to power Bran farsight abilities. Warging is probably minor magic that needs no blood. Others use life force from slain bodies to raise undead and they use babies to create themselves. Seven followers use no blood magic and have shown zero magic so far. | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On June 10 2015 19:48 Plexa wrote: There are plenty of great tinfoil theories. Bolt-on, Azor Ahainnister, etc. I firmly believe in Azor Ahainnister, the flawed hero and everything. The biggest disappointment to me would be Jon or Dany becoming the hero/savior figure at the end of the day. I just don't believe GRRM would hype someone like that for 5 books and keep their good guy image untarnished till the end of the saga. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
There is just way too much evidence. I believe there will be some twist though, i doubt Azor Ahai will be the big hero and everything will be allright. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 11 2015 20:20 disciple wrote: I firmly believe in Azor Ahainnister, the flawed hero and everything. The biggest disappointment to me would be Jon or Dany becoming the hero/savior figure at the end of the day. I just don't believe GRRM would hype someone like that for 5 books and keep their good guy image untarnished till the end of the saga. I want to believe in Azor Ahainnister t_t I also want to believe that Bran will end up being the super villain of the series.... but I should be putting my tinfoil away  On June 11 2015 20:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: It's pretty clear that Jon is Azor Ahai and if that wouldn't be the case it would be bad storytelling tbh. There is just way too much evidence. I believe there will be some twist though, i doubt Azor Ahai will be the big hero and everything will be allright. Well everyone just assumes Azor Ahai = PWTP and so on. It's plausible that they aren't necessarily the same person which could allow for Jamie to be AA and Jon PWPT (or Dany for that matter). | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Different regions = different names. IIRC GRRM even kinda confirmed this in an interview where he used azor ahai and ptwp interchangeably. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 11 2015 20:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think it's safe to assume that tptwp = last hero = azor ahai. Different regions = different names. IIRC GRRM even kinda confirmed this in an interview where he used azor ahai and ptwp interchangeably. Mel also uses PTWP/AA interchangeably. But it's worth pointing out that all of the different versions of the last hero could still be different; i.e. PTWP recalled by Aemon might be a different one to Mel. Than again, Jamie not being AA is far more likely. | ||
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