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On June 08 2015 22:05 Conti wrote:
Come to think of it, sure, let's assume that it's perfectly in character for show Stannis to do what he did (and I think it is), but what about his men? They all saw their great leader and king burn his own daughter alive. Is that really not going to put just the teensiest bit of a damper on their motivation to serve him? I mean, those are some Mad King vibes Stannis is spreading around right there.
It could depend on how things turn out. Right now they're all worried they'll die in the snow or in the attack. If burning a girl keeps them alive do they view it as an act of horror or a noble sacrifice?
Look on the other end of things. The Boltons routinely flay people and their troops are still pretty loyal. At least Stannis can say he had good intent, and that it was a painful thing for him to do.
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Its possible Shireen burns in Winds of Winter? D&D claim GRRM thought of burning her.
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On June 09 2015 00:00 Cricketer12 wrote:
Its possible Shireen burns in Winds of Winter? D&D claim GRRM thought of burning her.
To me, there is no doubt that she will burn in TWOW. It's been foreshadowed, it's been theorized, and it makes sense.
The thing is, it likely will not be Stannis who will do it. In the books, Shireen is still at the Wall, along with Selyse and Melisandre. Stannis is close to Winterfell. Stannis can't realistically go back to the Wall and be put in a position to burn his daughter. I also don't think the weather allows ravens to travel, putting him in a scenario where he'd tell Melisandre to burn Shireen.
Even if he could, Stannis on his own would not think of it. He'd need some pretty serious convincing, as he did with Edric Storm, but tenfold.
So... yeah. Shireen is probably dead in the books too, but the circumstances will probably be different. Maybe not though. Maybe she will burn on Stannis' order, but given the timeline and the circumstances, it would have to be after Winterfell. And there would have to be some significant development over it for it to be credible.
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On June 09 2015 00:00 Cricketer12 wrote:
Its possible Shireen burns in Winds of Winter? D&D claim GRRM thought of burning her.
It seems likely that she would given who Stannis is and what tropes his character is attacking. If you really believe you're Azor Ahai, then you're bound to kill someone you love at some point. And it's a neat way of attacking the trope of the "Chosen One", as it's usual for fantasy to just have someone state that the hero is the chosen one, and then have plenty of things happen basically because of that statement (the sequel to the Belgariad whose name escapes me right now comes to mind)
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I am so sad that I cannot tell the people in the other topic complaining about stupid shit in the show that 9 out 10 times they are due to D&D changing things from the books in a worse way and that they should read the books instead.
I am not going to be PMing everyone :D
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Goddamnit, Shireen burning crushed me.
But I also think it's perfectly believable for book-Stannis to burn her, too. I think it will happen in twow.
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LOL at that grammar reference
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I think Stannis could burn her in the books and it would be believable (cause as i said before, the narrative isn't the problem, i just disliked the execution and set up in the show), but it's hard to imagine a scenario in which he actually could do it.
Stannis and Shireen aren't even at the same place in the books, will he come back to the wall somehow after his potential loss to the Boltons and try to become what he is destined to (azor ahai, the one true king) by burning his daugther?
Maybe, but i actually doubt it.
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Maybe he'll defeat Boltons without burning Shireen in the books but he'll have to sacrifice her later for some other reason. They killed Barristan early, nothing can stop them from killing Shireen earlier too
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I'm not sure why people think that DD made the decision to have Stannis burn Shireen. DD flat out said it was a GRRM-crafted plot point in the post-episode commentary, and it is entirely consistent with GRRM's MO.
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They love GRRM and can't believe he would make one of their favorite characters do something like this
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On June 09 2015 01:40 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not sure why people think that DD made the decision to have Stannis burn Shireen. DD flat out said it was a GRRM-crafted plot point in the post-episode commentary, and it is entirely consistent with GRRM's MO.
sure, likeable character suffering atrocious/dramatic death is very grrm-esque.
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maybe mel sacs her to res jon w/o Stannis knowing?
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On June 09 2015 01:40 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not sure why people think that DD made the decision to have Stannis burn Shireen. DD flat out said it was a GRRM-crafted plot point in the post-episode commentary, and it is entirely consistent with GRRM's MO.
No they said that GRRM told them "about this". What exactly is "this"?
Is it the storyline of Stannis burning his own child (as i said before, possibly), or is it Shireen being a sacrifice in the first place? (which a lot of people theorized about)
I don't think it is clear what they mean exactly with their statement in the video tbh.
But other than that, i simply don't see a reasonable scenario in which Stannis even gets the chance to order it.
At least not in the near future.
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On June 09 2015 02:01 Cricketer12 wrote:
maybe mel sacs her to res jon w/o Stannis knowing?
That is my theory as well :D
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next episode might be epic if they want to throw everything in there.
arya getting blinded, jon getting stabbed, daenerys meeting horde, battle between stannis and roose, cercei walk of shame.
arya and jon will bring so many tears from stark fans. cercei's walk will be joff's death 2.0.
seriously, this could be the most epic-est episode.
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On June 09 2015 03:14 jinorazi wrote:
next episode might be epic if they want to throw everything in there.
arya getting blinded, jon getting stabbed, daenerys meeting horde, battle between stannis and roose, cercei walk of shame.
arya and jon will bring so many tears from stark fans. cercei's walk will be joff's death 2.0.
seriously, this could be the most epic-est episode.
I have a feeling Jon getting stabbed is now going to be next season, that is just too much to do, Probably battle with Stannnis, Cersei walk and end with Arya getting blinded.
Going to be a lot of mad feminists after this season lol. Sansa rape+Shireen burning+Cersei walk and Arya getting blinded. They were already pissed and with all these bad things happening to women I expect a fuck ton of back lash incoming.
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On June 09 2015 03:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 03:14 jinorazi wrote:
next episode might be epic if they want to throw everything in there.
arya getting blinded, jon getting stabbed, daenerys meeting horde, battle between stannis and roose, cercei walk of shame.
arya and jon will bring so many tears from stark fans. cercei's walk will be joff's death 2.0.
seriously, this could be the most epic-est episode. I have a feeling Jon getting stabbed is now going to be next season, that is just too much to do, Probably battle with Stannnis, Cersei walk and end with Arya getting blinded. Going to be a lot of mad feminists after this season lol. Sansa rape+Shireen burning+Cersei walk and Arya getting blinded. They were already pissed and with all these bad things happening to women I expect a fuck ton of back lash incoming.
IMDb says for Episode 10: "Stannis marches. Dany is surrounded by strangers. Cersei seeks forgiveness. Jon is challenged."
This indicates pretty clearly that Jon will be stabbed in this this season. It wouldn't make much sense to build up the whole Olly story only to let it play out the next season when no-one remembers who the kid is.
Also, I somehow don't think the Cersei walk will induce quite as much "mad feminism" as the Sansa thing did (well, maybe it will, we shall see). But yeah, the finale will be epic as hell for sure. I don't even know how this will all fit into one episode. I hope they won't cut the Stannis battle too short, but if done decently, that alone should take at least 15 minutes, unless somehow Stannis' army is seriously butchered.
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On June 09 2015 03:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 03:14 jinorazi wrote:
next episode might be epic if they want to throw everything in there.
arya getting blinded, jon getting stabbed, daenerys meeting horde, battle between stannis and roose, cercei walk of shame.
arya and jon will bring so many tears from stark fans. cercei's walk will be joff's death 2.0.
seriously, this could be the most epic-est episode. I have a feeling Jon getting stabbed is now going to be next season, that is just too much to do, Probably battle with Stannnis, Cersei walk and end with Arya getting blinded. Going to be a lot of mad feminists after this season lol. Sansa rape+Shireen burning+Cersei walk and Arya getting blinded. They were already pissed and with all these bad things happening to women I expect a fuck ton of back lash incoming.
Didn't think about it, but Cersei's walk will certainly piss some people off. I think the stabbing will happen - there was heavy foreshadowing both in ep9 and ep8, it would look strange if the climax didn't happen next. Showing how he gets resurrected is also a good way to open S6, start it from the perspective of Ghost maybe. Finales are usually like 10 minutes longer, aren't they? Would be surprising if they didn't fit that in, though they will indeed probably spend quite a while on bringing the Stannis-Winterfell arc to an end.
I can't quite remember aDwD well enough to tell what they're gonna show in Mereen - in the books, Barristan leads a coup, and Tyrion, Jorah, aren't present. That's all I can remember.
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If I recall ep 10 are extnded. I sure hope so so they can fit all that in
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