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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
1. I was desperately hoping for Meryn to die. As they've paced it now, I'm assuming he or the skinny man, or both, will die in ep10 - the Arya scenes in this episode were maybe not entirely necessary? There is also something quite improbable about the fact that she was allowed to hang around in the brothel to see Meryn's pedophilia. Wouldn't the owner throw her out after she'd sold the clams? Furthermore, why was she allowed into the VIP room where Meryn was staying? Either way, I can let it pass, as it was necessary to have Arya see that Meryn was still a huge asshole, perhaps so she can justify her killing him to Jaqen - he wouldn't accept the justification that he had been bad to Arya Stark. 2. Dorne - a comic-relief climax to the least climactic part of the show. Dorne has felt like something separate from the rest of the season. It's only to be expected; the whole premise doesn't make sense. Jaime going to Dorne doesn't make sense, so why would anything else following it be of the same quality as the rest of the show, where the actions of the characters seem to be a result of everything that has led up to that point? Everything felt like a spin-off, B-movie-esque. The final result is that Myrcella is going back to King's Landing, with Trystane. I don't see exactly why Doran would do this - perhaps he realizes that Myrcella is still at danger from the Sand Snakes? Sending Trystane as well, I don't know, maybe that's to be nice to Myrcella? 3. The pit scene with Dany had its flaws. Despite that, I was nervous in the same way that I was for Hardhome, though hardhome was better; I felt like there were characters up for grabs. Daario, Missandei, Jorah, even Drogon, all seemed like they could die. Hizdahr's death was strange, or well, it means that he didn't control the harpies. Seeing as the Green Grace and the Shavepate are gone from the show, I don't know what that means as far as who controls them, but maybe we're supposed to assume it's just some other nobleman. There also wasn't the poisoning attempt, which means the whole intrigue about who tried to poison her is gone (see Untangling the Meerenese Knot). The vast amount of Harpies shown here, in proportion to the amount of civilians, raises some questions about who is actually joining them. Dany presumably still has the support of the commoners, so who is supplying the Sons of the Harpy with new soldiers? There's not enough nobles for them to all be fighting like that - I doubt nobles would fight at all (in fact, that was accentuated by Hizdahr's admission that he'd never fought a man). Maybe I'm inattentive, and I'm not remembering some explanation from either the show or the book. I think they made a big mistake in revealing the harpy attack in the trailer for this season. You could see 20-25 harpies fighting in the pit before you'd even seen the first episode, so that becomes the obvious conclusion to everything in the whole season, as far as Dany is concerned. Jorah being saved by the Meerenese fighter coming from behind and killing the water dancer, who was taking ages to finish Jorah, despite no one else taking that long in the pit battles, was deus ex machina. The prolonged amount of time where the Harpies had the entire leadership of the new order they despise (Dany and her closest advisers) surrounded, without making an offensive, giving Drogon ample time to show up, was also deus ex machina. This is somewhat weak execution, and could have been done better. Just having Jorah win normally against the water dancer would have made the scene a bit better overall - having Drogon arrive earlier, even more so. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On June 08 2015 16:54 TomatoBisque wrote: Episode 8 "Stannis you need to burn your daughter for POWER" "wtf no way are you crazy" Episode 9 "Dad, I would do anything to help you" "Oh in that case LIGHT HER UP B O Y S" Bravo. Also Dany leaving on Drogon makes no sense in the show because Drogon pretty much flew down and murdered all her assassins, but then she's like "Oh cool you're back" and mounts him and fucks off into the sunset, once again leaving Jorah weeping in the friendzone, while the rest of her retainers ponder why the fuck she just did that. lol i laughed... but his situation was more and more dire. I disagree with the person below this quote who said it was out of character. In fact, I think it's very much inline with stannis's character. once he's got his mind set on something, he would not back out of it, and that's always been his character flaw (and also possible strength). in this case, he's determined to march and take winterfell, and he's going through with it even if it means the burning of his daughter. i'd buy it edit: on next episode It would be just absolutely hilarious if ramsay just straight up owns stannis's army despite stannis sacrificing his daughter for the lord of light bs. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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ETisME
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On June 08 2015 16:36 Lord Tolkien wrote: After the Blackwater, most of the King's Men (believers of the Seven) were decimated, and the Queen's Men (believers of Rh'llor) were the dominant force on Dragonstone. That is, up until he gathered additional Northern forces, Stannis was nearly wholly dependent on Rh'llor worshipers for support. As for Shireen, there are quite some passing mentions of it. Eg., Stannis reacting to the proposition to burn Edric, among his objections was that Shireen was fond of him. It's much more clear in the AWOW chapters. I do know he needs the worshipers, but I always thought it is because Stannis allowed the red witch to do whatever she wanted while he himself doesn't believe it all that much. (more like he isn't sure if he can believe her or not) and eventually became a whole group of worshippers following him around. I remember Davos was far closer with Shireen than her actual parents. Guess I gotta revise the book again. Also I really hope they won't go with the Jon Snow ending in the book, his story line is one of the more consistent one and we can do with less plot twist. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
I do wonder what that means for future episodes, though. I mean, apparently those sacrifices do work pretty well, soo.. Stannis will thoroughly defeat the Boltons now, right? Or what else would be the point of this whole sacrifice thing? | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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Conti
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
But even if you're right, I think Stannis is such a strong leader that they would be too scared to disobey him | ||
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Serejai
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On June 08 2015 22:19 Sent. wrote: They did make a distionction in ancient times, I don't remember the exact legend/historical event but some Roman or Greek leaders did sacrifice their kids like that and it wasn't considered crazy at all. But even if you're right, I think Stannis is such a strong leader that they would be too scared to disobey him Every person who did that was crazy, lol. Although you are confused with Iphigenia, drama heroine written by Eyripidis, she was the daughter of Agamemnon, the king who sailed against the Trojans. | ||
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Poland9299 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23578 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On June 08 2015 21:56 Conti wrote: Welp, Team Stannis probably doesn't have any followers left after that episode. I do wonder what that means for future episodes, though. I mean, apparently those sacrifices do work pretty well, soo.. Stannis will thoroughly defeat the Boltons now, right? Or what else would be the point of this whole sacrifice thing? The sacrifice will give Stannis a chance, is what I'd guess. It won't give him more food or men, but it'll melt the snows and let Stannis actually fight. I don't see why the Boltons would go out to meet them in the open, and if they don't I think Stannis is screwed anyway (seeing as there won't be any help from castle black and Jon 'Soon-To-Be-Stabbed' Snow), UNLESS they do something guerilla-esque, or Mel does some sort of proper fire magic again that screws the Boltons. Maybe there'll be chaos inside Winterfell, murders, etc like in the books. Brienne and Sansa might end up working to Stannis' benefit, assuming Brienne hates the Boltons more than she hates Stannis. | ||
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
The other parts were nice, generally. Arya is definitely going to kill Meryn F. Trant next episode, her scenes prepared for that pretty well. I don't count the Dorne parts to the show, but they were at least reasonable this time (the parts without the Sand Snakes at least). I also liked the Dany scene. Sure, it deviated from the books, but it was at least nice and epic (for me at least). Although I did notice somewhat lackluster CGI, Jorah and Drogon cliché, and Dany's inexplicable riding off on Drogon (that was pretty epic, but under the changed circumstances, hardly a rational decision, except if she was like, "F*ck this city, I'm outta here, going to picnic with Drogon, cya!"). Also, obligatory "F*ck Stannis!" He was never my favorite character, but now I'm totally rooting for the Night's King. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
really didn't like all Arya scenes. Lord Tyrell landing in the common Harbor, Arya following them even in the noble quarter... selling oysters in the middle of the night in a brothel? what? dunno... everything felt very wrong Doran had some power with Myrcella in his hands, and he is giving up both her AND his only son (it seems to be his only child in the show, right?)? Why would he ever do that? and what was the point to show the sand snakes "training" in the jail? :/ to be honest, I can't even name them lol And the arena... I'm really surprised by how many harpies there is. Why did they start to attack one by one when they surrounded the queen's guards? the stack of 5 men burning each time was pretty cheap, and the cgi when Dany was riding Drogon.. LOL Well all was not bad, I liked the part on the Wall :x | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
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