EPTWatching the pregnant lady get stabbed in the stomach was pretty bad at the red wedding, but the rape.. I was expecting much worse because you know, the books, and it's fucking Ramsay. But it was just forced sex and they haven't hinted that it's torture yet, which in Ramsays setting... is extremely tame. Hell, it's a relief if anything. He literally just skinned an old woman while she was still alive and that's just a thing the Boltons do. Hunted his last women with dogs and had them chewed up. Really can't stress enough that this is fucking Ramsay here... good on him for not biting her fucking clit off or something and making reek lick up the remains. The book treated the fake Sansa worse than this one. It's odd to say I was relieved it was just rape. If anything getting off with just getting raped without being tortured to excruciating lengths is very un-Ramsayesque. Which I am thankful for.
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Watching the pregnant lady get stabbed in the stomach was pretty bad at the red wedding, but the rape.. I was expecting much worse because you know, the books, and it's fucking Ramsay. But it was just forced sex and they haven't hinted that it's torture yet, which in Ramsays setting... is extremely tame. Hell, it's a relief if anything. He literally just skinned an old woman while she was still alive and that's just a thing the Boltons do. Hunted his last women with dogs and had them chewed up. Really can't stress enough that this is fucking Ramsay here... good on him for not biting her fucking clit off or something and making reek lick up the remains. The book treated the fake Sansa worse than this one. It's odd to say I was relieved it was just rape. If anything getting off with just getting raped without being tortured to excruciating lengths is very un-Ramsayesque. Which I am thankful for. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
That awfulness was counterbalanced by the very shocking death of Shireen. This is one of the instances where the foreshadowing was everywhere but you just don't think it's going to happen because it's so fucked up despite how obvious it is. Reminds me of reading the Red Wedding the first time. Also, what a deviation from the book in how they're portraying Stannis, it's like we're off the rails and into a parallel dimension now. I like it though. The Jorah scene was also kind of cool. Yeah, it too was a bit cinematic but at least they gave him some long overdue dignity. I was totally expecting Jorah's fight to cause the arrival of Drogon and that he'd meet his end that way, but I suppose keeping him around a bit longer can't hurt. He'll probably take Barristan's place from here. 8/10 ep for me. The execution of the Drogon scene makes it lose a point. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 08 2015 14:30 Canucklehead wrote: You in the right thread? The dragon scene happened in the book. It was amazing this ep and pushed it to 10/10 this week just like last week's. My heart was pumping when that scene started because I was waiting for the dragon to show up and the music and everything about that scene was amazing! Goosebumps when she finally rode him for the first time. If you want to nitpick sure it was an obvious green screen during the flight but it was still epic to see. Not like that. Don't get me wrong, I've moved on from expecting the show to adhere to the path of the books ever since we didn't get LSH last season. However, this was just a poor substitute. In the book it felt a tad more organic. Drogon is simply drawn to the fighting pits by the sound of the crowd and the blood in the arena at an inopportune time. There was also no ambush by the Sons of the Harpy. This version just felt a little too cheesy with such convenient timing and nobody doing anything to Dany while she's just standing there exposed trying to tame her dragon. In the books it made sense as the only threat in the arena was Drogon himself. Again, I don't care if it matches perfectly with the book, but this change sucks imo. It feels less consistent with what's been established as well with her dragons becoming increasingly unpredictable and dangerous. This makes it seem like Drogon is suddenly docile, which to me is far less interesting. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
In the books "Mance" gets burned alive but then it turns out Melisandre swapped him right? Maybe there's a chance? xD | ||
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AndreWiles
36 Posts
On June 08 2015 15:27 Laurens wrote: Are we sure Shireen is dead? In the books "Mance" gets burned alive but then it turns out Melisandre swapped him right? Maybe there's a chance? xD nah, there's no chance. That doesn't even make sense that shireen would get swapped. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Judging from the preview for next week, all the snow melts, giving him a free pass to Winterfell. I assume that's the work of the sacrifice he made. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On June 08 2015 15:27 Laurens wrote: Are we sure Shireen is dead? In the books "Mance" gets burned alive but then it turns out Melisandre swapped him right? Maybe there's a chance? xD 1) Shireen is not dead (yet), and most importantly, she is nowhere near Stannis (though she is near Selyse and Mel in Castle Black; the Pink Letter might be the impetus for her burning in response). It is very possible that she is burned in the future but almost certainly not by Stannis, who has been very adamant about keeping his daughter alive and made heir. 2) I was expecting this, but goddamnit. Was much more brutal than I expected. While it's perfectly IC for show!Stannis, it does not affect my fanboyism of book!Stannis. 3) I actually really like the scene, and what it stands for. Consider the legend of Azor Ahai; the sword Lightbringer was forged by stabbing it into the heart of his loving wife; this, in its own way, parallels that. Of course, Stannis in the books is nowhere near a believer of any god, but for show!Stannis, this sums up the terrible, terrible, sacrifice he's willing to make, for the sake of the realm. On June 08 2015 15:59 Cloud9157 wrote: So I haven't read the books, but I've heard theories/things that will most likely appear in the show from the books, but is Stannis going to become this Azor Ahai I've been hearing about? I'm just curious about his fate going into the final episode next week, so nothing beyond that please. Judging from the preview for next week, all the snow melts, giving him a free pass to Winterfell. I assume that's the work of the sacrifice he made. If you haven't read the books, why are you here? :O Even though the show has in many respects passed the books, book theories can and will spoil you, and there are still several pivotal, "shocking" events from that book that still haven't happened yet. In general, + Show Spoiler [potentially massive spoilers] + it's largely a consensus that Mel is wrong and incorrectly reading the prophecy, and that Stannis is not Azor Ahai, and that it is either Dany (as the Essosi priests have endorsed) or Jon (although he may be the Prince That Was Promised; they don't have to be the same person). | ||
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Vorenius
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On June 08 2015 15:27 Laurens wrote: Are we sure Shireen is dead? In the books "Mance" gets burned alive but then it turns out Melisandre swapped him right? Maybe there's a chance? xD So Stannis/Mel want the backlash that burning a little girl is guaranteed to cause, but not the benefit of sacrificing royal blood. Basically all the bad and none of the good. Shireen turning out to not be burned, would be the only thing more stupid, than Stannis agreeing to burn her in the first place. So that's probably what's gonna happen. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On June 08 2015 15:59 Cloud9157 wrote: So I haven't read the books, but I've heard theories/things that will most likely appear in the show from the books, but is Stannis going to become this Azor Ahai I've been hearing about? I'm just curious about his fate going into the final episode next week, so nothing beyond that please. Judging from the preview for next week, all the snow melts, giving him a free pass to Winterfell. I assume that's the work of the sacrifice he made. The scene we've seen in episode 9 is pretty much the last thing we see of Stannis in the book as well. We'll have to wait a year to find out what happens at winterfell  Unless the show does the battle in episode 10, who knows. | ||
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Gullis
Sweden740 Posts
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ETisME
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I always found it weird how stannis allows the red witch doing so much while not believing it entirely. I don't recall him having that that much affection for his daughter as well and he has total devotion for claiming the throne. Dany in the book became quite a boring character as well and I believe that is why she needed that event for her to be related to the dragons again. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
I like the show dany and stannis better. I always found it weird how stannis allows the red witch doing so much while not believing it entirely. I don't recall him having that that much affection for his daughter as well and he has total devotion for claiming the throne. After the Blackwater, most of the King's Men (believers of the Seven) were decimated, and the Queen's Men (believers of Rh'llor) were the dominant force on Dragonstone. That is, up until he gathered additional Northern forces, Stannis was nearly wholly dependent on Rh'llor worshipers for support. As for Shireen, there are quite some passing mentions of it. Eg., Stannis reacting to the proposition to burn Edric, among his objections was that Shireen was fond of him. It's much more clear in the AWOW chapters. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
one of the most powerful scenes to me this season was Stannis his conversation with his daughter and how much he loves her, seems a bit eh. Stannis still best tho. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
"Stannis you need to burn your daughter for POWER" "wtf no way are you crazy" Episode 9 "Dad, I would do anything to help you" "Oh in that case LIGHT HER UP B O Y S" Bravo. Also Dany leaving on Drogon makes no sense in the show because Drogon pretty much flew down and murdered all her assassins, but then she's like "Oh cool you're back" and mounts him and fucks off into the sunset, once again leaving Jorah weeping in the friendzone, while the rest of her retainers ponder why the fuck she just did that. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
So... Yeah. Given what happens in the show and what has been happening so far, I think having Stannis burn Shireen is a horrible idea. Simply horrible. If GRRM did come up with it, it doesn't make it any better. If anything it makes it worse. Anyway... gonna watch the episode now. :-( | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Anyone notice that the shot introducing Jon Snow in this episode was identical to that of the Night's King in Hardhome? Things I liked: - Doran. The guy can act. - Shots of Tyrion when Drogon was around in the pits. His face just sells it every time. Great acting by Dinklage. That's pretty much it. Things I disliked: - I stand by what I said. Stannis burning Shireen is out of character, even for the show. Yes, he murdered his brother by proxy, yes, he burned Axell Florent because he was an "unbeliever", and yes, he is desperate. But no. Stannis cares for Shireen and would never allow for her to be burned. It just does not add up. It's too much. It makes his character go back, not forward. - What is with Ramsay? Not only does he have a serious case of plot armor going on, he also apparently cannot have anything go bad. While it's not far-fetched that 20 men could wreak such havoc on an army camp, in those weather conditions it's a little more doubtful. Mostly it's just that Ramsay has had way too much going for him. Way too much. At least, Joffrey was losnig the war for a while and was facing uprisings. Cersei had to struggle with losing her son, losing her other son to the influence of Margaery, etc. Ramsay? Nope. Anything he touches turns to gold. It's a little too much. I'm sure he will die at some point, but this isn't even about retribution or fairness, it's about realism. - The Sand Snakes, and Dorne in general. So this is the story eh? I'm sorry, but 99,98% of Dorne was awful. Every single scene involving the Sand Snakes was so, so cringeworthy. Seriously. I sincerely hope they do not have them again on the next season. It will mean their appearance was entirely useless, but I won't even care. It will be for the better. - As much as I loved Doran's acting and his delivery (especially loved his line: "And that is precisely what we are doing". Great stuff), his decision makes little sense. I assume there is a plan to this, but surrendering Myrcella AND giving up Trystane seems like a pretty bad idea. I mean, the last Martell who went to King's Landing had his head smashed. I think it's thoroughly unsafe to send Trystane there. So I'm curious to see how this plays out, but to me it looks like a bad move. - Lord Tyrell. I don't think it was bad, it's just that I have a low tolerance for cringeworthy moments. So I'm sure that was funny, but it just made me pause because that's my basic reaction to people humiliating themselves on a show. :-( - The dragon scene was pretty cliché. The music especially. From the moment the music plays, you KNOW Dany will be fine. The CGI seemed a little off too, but nothing too bad. It was showing a lot in the shot of Dany riding off though. I truly wonder how they will manage when the dragons inevitably come into play on a much larger scale (pun intended). Things that left me wondering: - Is Hizdahr going to die? I'll admit, I was shocked when he was stabbed. They have been pretty heavy handed about him being the Harpy, especially with his being late on this episode. It looked soooo suspicious. So I'm thinking either the stabbing was staged by him (there would be little point to it seeing as he'd be aiming to kill Dany anyway), or he isn't the Harpy. Very weird. Do not know what to think. - Seriously, what does Doran hope to accomplish? I want to discuss this because it seems like such a bad move. Suuuuch a bad move. edit: lol, upong rewatching the episode, the commando attack seems even more ridiculous. The fires are spread out on almost every tent, yet nobody saw ANYONE enter? There are like over a dozen fires in the shot overseeing the camp, all spread out in a nice grid-like pattern. Yet nobody saw a thing? Come on. Add that to the fact that apparently hundreds of men died, and it's just laughable. Really. | ||
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