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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On June 03 2013 19:56 Dakkas wrote: If you know a way to convey inner monologue in a show and then patent it, you'd make the Lannisters look poor You can still portray inner book based monologue on film through gestures, expressions, acts etc. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
Walder's comment "...I'll find another" was so chilling. Wished Roose said "Jaime Lannister sends his regards" though. Oh also wanted for Arya to release Grey Wind so he woulda tore off some throats before being killed. Roslin looked very sweet. Red Wedding...that was grand. | ||
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armada[sb]
United States432 Posts
On June 03 2013 20:23 unkkz wrote: You can still portray inner book based monologue on film through gestures, expressions, acts etc. I think that the point is that it'd be very hard to convey his struggle between his oath as a Night's Watchmen and a Stark, and his experiencing love for the first time in the limited amount of time that he has on screen. Sure, in a perfect world if they had all the time they needed to do it, maybe they could, but with <5 minutes of screen time a week, they just don't have time. | ||
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
But Talisa being pregnant, naming the child Eddard, and then stabbing her in the guts? That was just brutal for me to watch. Wish I'd looked away. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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jj33
802 Posts
Also remember greywind killing a bunch of dogs before getting killed. | ||
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FireSA
Australia555 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
That Talisa stabbing was just so...I wish I actually didn't see it. Gods. I can definately picture this season ending in Cat being raised as UnCat, with a cold vengeance in her eyes. | ||
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DalkingWick
5 Posts
The conversation between Cat and Frey wasnt great at all, having the musicians play the Rains of Castamere whilst the massacre goes on would have been waaay better. Also, Robb's final death ( from Bolton ) wasnt really a shocker for non-readers, since he was hit by several arrows, and collapsed on the ground. I mean in the books there was a chance for escape because of the big fight, also Frey's son was in the throne room, and that bears more weight than a random wife, and that led the readers think that Robb's death can be avoided. But in the series, they just shoot everyone, and you know they are all dead. There was no suspense at all, and I think the series' RW can't be compared to the book's Rw in atmosphere. Too different. Would have been better to shoot Robb in the leg, have a little bit of a fight between Starks and Freys. All that while Rains of Castamere is going on, and then do the talking with Cat and Robb alive. Bolton's armor flash was cool, but killed the surprise. However stabbing Talisa in the stomach was a great addition, and made the RW more cruel. I know i sound like someone who cannot be pleased, but i think if something has to surprise the viewers, this is it. I'm not saying it was bad, but could have been better imo. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
Well after 5 books I am still waiting for that revenge :D (death of Joffrey, Tywin, Kevan and public shaming of Cersei helped :D) | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On June 03 2013 20:13 Wegandi wrote: Depends how long the monologue is... This was a pretty good inner monologue piece: Thanks for ignoring the context On June 03 2013 20:23 unkkz wrote: You can still portray inner book based monologue on film through gestures, expressions, acts etc. Ahahaha, you're cute. I'm sure Jon can convey all his in-consternation through sign language. Snark aside, with all the different story-lines happening there can only fit so much in 10 hours. Also Jon does only marginally more than Davos for the first half of Storm, it's only after he gets back to Castle Black that he kicks it up a notch and acts like a real leader On June 03 2013 21:20 DalkingWick wrote: I mean in the books there was a chance for escape because of the big fight, also Frey's son was in the throne room, and that bears more weight than a random wife, and that led the readers think that Robb's death can be avoided. But in the series, they just shoot everyone, and you know they are all dead. There was no suspense at all, and I think the series' RW can't be compared to the book's Rw in atmosphere. Too different. You're an amazing person to be able to say that with a straight face. So what that they chose one of his 8 wives instead of one of his 22 sons? But look here's a correction, Jinglebell (aka Aegon Frey) isn't a son, he's one of his 21 grand-sons. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:52 unkkz wrote: - spot the book reader lol. Another good one: Need to get my girlfriend to catch up on this lol, too funny. "I don't want to watch this stupid show anymore.. " *throws pillow* hilarious lol | ||
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DalkingWick
5 Posts
On June 03 2013 21:51 Dakkas wrote: You're an amazing person to be able to say that with a straight face. So what that they chose one of his 8 wives instead of one of his 22 sons? But look here's a correction, Jinglebell (aka Aegon Frey) isn't a son, he's one of his 21 grand-sons. Thanks for ignoring the context | ||
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TheAura
96 Posts
On June 03 2013 21:20 DalkingWick wrote: I really think the RW could have been done better. The conversation between Cat and Frey wasnt great at all, having the musicians play the Rains of Castamere whilst the massacre goes on would have been waaay better. Also, Robb's final death ( from Bolton ) wasnt really a shocker for non-readers, since he was hit by several arrows, and collapsed on the ground. I mean in the books there was a chance for escape because of the big fight, also Frey's son was in the throne room, and that bears more weight than a random wife, and that led the readers think that Robb's death can be avoided. But in the series, they just shoot everyone, and you know they are all dead. There was no suspense at all, and I think the series' RW can't be compared to the book's Rw in atmosphere. Too different. Would have been better to shoot Robb in the leg, have a little bit of a fight between Starks and Freys. All that while Rains of Castamere is going on, and then do the talking with Cat and Robb alive. Bolton's armor flash was cool, but killed the surprise. However stabbing Talisa in the stomach was a great addition, and made the RW more cruel. I know i sound like someone who cannot be pleased, but i think if something has to surprise the viewers, this is it. I'm not saying it was bad, but could have been better imo. Robb was hit by arrows in the book as well... It was frey's grandson in the books, one of many... I do agree there could have been a bit more of a fight, but they decided to instead focus on Talisa/Robb which i think was a good change. There was also armor in the books that gave it away just before it happened like in the show, only in the books catelyn felt the armor underneath a freys clothing when she grabbed his arm. She slapped him just like she did to roose. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
It's not about context, you made a statement based on incorrect info and I correct you by pointing out how ironic your statement is. You say random wife when he has near three times as many sons | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14903 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
I guess they are banking on Daenerys to carry much of it but goddamn do I hate her character already. Being the only major character operating outside of Westeros you know from the start that her plot armor is thicker than anyone elses. Never got the fascination with dragons in fantasy either. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On June 03 2013 22:48 Bagi wrote: All this buzz about the show right now makes me kinda scared from seasons 5 and onwards. The latter part of Storm of Swords still has plenty of amazing material to work with, but after that it gets really rough when we hit AFFC and ADWD territory. Will anyone really care about the Greyjoys and Martells? Tyrion going into foreign lands with people we've never heard of before? Arya doing NOTHING for entire seasons? I think the Starks feel like an even bigger "emotional core" in the show compared to the books, what happens when the story shifts even more away from them? I guess they are banking on Daenerys to carry much of it but goddamn do I hate her character already. Being the only major character operating outside of Westeros you know from the start that her plot armor is thicker than anyone elses. Never got the fascination with dragons in fantasy either. My guess is that they'll make changes and skip bits and pieces of the stuff that happens in Dorne. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 03 2013 23:04 c0ldfusion wrote: My guess is that they'll make changes and skip bits and pieces of the stuff that happens in Dorne. Not to mention that they might as well create entirely new subplots. And I, for one, welcome our new story overlords. Yes, the writers sometimes suck when they change a character or plot. But when they create an entirely new one? Most of the completely new scenes have been absolutely brilliant (just think of all the Tywin dialogues). They could give Dany something more to do than to sit around and wait for everyone to arrive, they could make the south more interesting and less confusing. There's lots of changes that could be done, and I hope they will be bold enough to make them. | ||
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