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On June 03 2013 13:39 armada[sb] wrote: Is it just me or does it really seem like we won't be seeing Coldhands on the show? Shouldn't we have seen him by now? And wasn't he the one who knew about the secret entrance into the Nightfort?
It looks like they have cut him, or at least delayed him a whole season similar to the Reeds. He should have showed up with the raven swarm.
I do not mind them keeping some of the fantasy down. I actually like the mention of this alternate and non-magic version of the black gate. I expect that the book version would turn some show watchers off, and understandably because it always felt a bit too high fantasy-ish even in the context of the book.
Because its very likely that coldhand = neds brother, i dont think they can cut him out.
On June 03 2013 13:39 armada[sb] wrote: Is it just me or does it really seem like we won't be seeing Coldhands on the show? Shouldn't we have seen him by now? And wasn't he the one who knew about the secret entrance into the Nightfort?
It looks like they have cut him, or at least delayed him a whole season similar to the Reeds. He should have showed up with the raven swarm.
I do not mind them keeping some of the fantasy down. I actually like the mention of this alternate and non-magic version of the black gate. I expect that the book version would turn some show watchers off, and understandably because it always felt a bit too high fantasy-ish even in the context of the book.
Because its very likely that coldhand = neds brother, i dont think they can cut him out.
I don't feel like digging but there's so much evidence that cold hands cannot be benjen that people Should stop believing it.
hahahah omg I was laughing more at the guy on the couch than anything. He looked so bored, picking his nose, his ears, chewing his nails. The video maker should put a thought bubble above his head saying "Man, where the hell are the boobs?"
On June 03 2013 13:39 armada[sb] wrote: Is it just me or does it really seem like we won't be seeing Coldhands on the show? Shouldn't we have seen him by now? And wasn't he the one who knew about the secret entrance into the Nightfort?
It looks like they have cut him, or at least delayed him a whole season similar to the Reeds. He should have showed up with the raven swarm.
I do not mind them keeping some of the fantasy down. I actually like the mention of this alternate and non-magic version of the black gate. I expect that the book version would turn some show watchers off, and understandably because it always felt a bit too high fantasy-ish even in the context of the book.
Because its very likely that coldhand = neds brother, i dont think they can cut him out.
I don't feel like digging but there's so much evidence that cold hands cannot be benjen that people Should stop believing it.
Aye. Put simply, we know Coldhands has been Coldhands for far longer than Benjen has been missing.
On June 03 2013 14:25 domane wrote: Catelyn murdering a frightened pawn of a girl left a bitter taste in my mouth. Then again I always begrudged her character.
Kind of funny when you watch the reaction videos everyone cheers her on when she does it, double standards much? :D, one of the main messages of the series that I see is that innocence and evil exist on both sides and in both parties
I find it interesting that all of the characters that have died are generally extremes in terms of a Good and Evil spectrum meaning the further away you are from the middle the greater your chances are of death if you are unwilling to compromise and adapt your values, (main examples being Ned, Joffrey, Rob, Catelyn, Quentyn, Tywin, etc) and figuratively speaking the death of entities and not necessarily the person such as "The Hound", "The Mountain", Jon (Pretty obvious he will come back but most likely not as a POV character anymore). If my theory is correct than characters who start off more or less neutral such as Jaime who have begun an redemption arc are probably going to die where as someone such as Sansa who starts off pretty much purely good will transition more towards the middle and ultimately survive or make it further because of it.
seeing how George made a comment I just read about how he wanted to break the cliche of the son successfully avenging the father makes me believe that the revenge will be fulfilled either through the stepson Theon (if he survives), Sansa (the daughter) or Jon the bastard/nephew.
The acting in this show is so brilliant. Arya, The Hound, Catelyn. All of them are just so good. Catelyn's devastation really struck home to me. I've seen that kind of shock first-hand. She looked like she'd completely had every care ripped out of her body.
The Hound is one of those characters who I guess is sort of "type-casted" and isn't really a central character, so his actor is never going to be given a lot of credit which is a shame, because that guy is soooooooo gooooooooood.
On June 03 2013 14:25 domane wrote: Catelyn murdering a frightened pawn of a girl left a bitter taste in my mouth. Then again I always begrudged her character.
I kind of "liked" it, in that it made complete sense. She sees her son call out to her reluctantly, probably to tell her to "put the knife down, there's no point," etc. And for that he is stabbed in the chest and killed. What's she going to do at that point, partake in some altruistic reasoning about the evils of violence and revenge? She's gonna do the last thing she can do to express what she's feeling, which at the moment has to be extreme hatred.
Well it certainly wasn't a bad scene, but certainly not up to what I was expecting nor what Benioff and Weiss were hyping as the prime event to get to.
Having Talisa at the wedding was probably the best deviation I've seen from the books. From Walder's insulting remarks to her brutal death I liked every bit of her in this episode.
Though skeptical at first, they don't seem to be killing off the Blackfish so no harm in having him there.
Also, having Catelyn slay Walder's wife instead of Jinglebell was another great change. It gives a better sense of Walder's cruelty as well as Catelyn's desperation.
Blackwater really surprised me last season in just how over the top it was. I didn't think we would get a battle nearly as epic as in the books given the show's budget. So naturally, with that in mind, the RW likely being easier to shoot, and how calm this season has been I thought they would totally blow their load on this scene. Turns out it was actually pretty underwhelming.
It really wasn't the grand slaughter it should of been. The hall in which the event occurs seemed unusually small. The choreograph could have been better, I mean I know the Frey's don't suffer many casualties even in the books and the Starks are mostly drunk but there was pretty much no fight put up by them at all. It's like every Frey just grabs a knife and slits a throat. eh...and where were the collapsable tents?
Now, I know they can't capture every subtle aspect of the event like the book can. But there were a few minor things that ticked me off.
- No mention of the Guest Right? C'mon, Robb even eats the bread at the start of the episode. This is necessary to lure the viewer into a false sense of security for Robb's fate.
- Roslin could've looked a tad more gloomy.
- I liked that they kept the moment where Catelyn realizes what's going on the same. Even more so in the armor being on Roose than on one of the Freys it brings his treachery and bigger role later on into better focus. What I didn't like was the complete lack of subtlety. Roose is pretty much staring Catelyn in the face as she comes to the realization, like: "Yeah that's right bitch!" rather than escaping the hall to arm himself. Lame.
- Why didn't they continue to play the music during the slaughter? At least the drum beat? I mean The Rains of Castamere is the title of the episode and it makes the scene all the more chilling.
Lastly, everything I've bitched about above could've been ignored if only they preserved the most powerful moment of this scene. That is of course Catelyn falling into insanity at the sight of losing Robb. I'm very disappointed she doesn't claw her face to shreds, nor laugh at madness of it all. It's just an awkward scream and a blank stare. I loved Michelle Fairley as Catelyn thoughout the series and I'm sad to see her go (assuming she won't be back as Stoneheart), and I really thought she could've pulled that moment off. The ending just left me rather empty.
Oh well at least I have non-book reader reactions to cheer me up muhahahaha
Lastly, everything I've bitched about above could've been ignored if only they preserved the most powerful moment of this scene. That is of course Catelyn falling into insanity at the sight of losing Robb. I'm very disappointed she doesn't claw her face to shreds, nor laugh at madness of it all. It's just an awkward scream and a blank stare. I loved Michelle Fairley as Catelyn thoughout the series and I'm sad to see her go (assuming she won't be back as Stoneheart), and I really thought she could've pulled that moment off. The ending just left me rather empty.
She did pull it off, I just have to disagree completely with what you think she should've been portraying. Crying and wailing and all that is something that happens when the brain has time to digest the tragedy. What comes first is shock, or "acute stress reaction", and that is what we saw.
I've seen a mother be given this kind of bad news and she did the same thing Catelyn did: she screamed once, and then was silent, completely awkward with what to do with herself, and shivering profusely. Between the bolt in her shoulder, the blood loss, the adrenaline, and the emotional shock, I thought Catelyn's reaction was quite real in all its coldness.
I'm not sure if you're referring to the books. I haven't read the RW scene in a while. Does Catelyn make an effort to claw at her face or something? I don't remember it.
On June 03 2013 16:22 Odoakar wrote: I don't understand why this question got a warning in a HBO thread, since the series spoils the books, not the other way around...:|
Anyways, do we know now that Jayne Westerling is in fact dead and holds no significance to future story of the books?
She's not dead. She's just held by the Lannisters and had been given potions to keep her from getting pregnant.
What happened to Daario, Jorah, and Grey Worm? It seemed they were surrounded then they just came back victorious.
That kind of speculation gets the other thread riled up pretty quickly usually. Understandable in this instance because there's a lot of red wedding hype going on, don't take the warning too seriously but please do your book speculation etc. in this thread.
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Otherwise very good, nice and upsetting. My jimmies are nice and rustled. ![[image loading]](http://images.4chan.org/tv/src/1370227217252.jpg)
