EPTHis sudden decision to head south after already previously rejecting the opportunity made no sense. It would of been hard, but he had already committed and had to stick it out. His character should of stuck it out. It made my head spin that GRR Martin would suddenly have his character change so drastically in a few lines..
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aloT
England1042 Posts
His sudden decision to head south after already previously rejecting the opportunity made no sense. It would of been hard, but he had already committed and had to stick it out. His character should of stuck it out. It made my head spin that GRR Martin would suddenly have his character change so drastically in a few lines.. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 14 2012 07:40 Kyuukyuu wrote: 1. The Night's Watch is severely undermanned for the fight to come 2. There are thousands of people north of the Wall who know the land better than most rangers do. 3. Dead people turn into undead zombies, which are a lot harder to make friends with Seems pretty clear it was a good move by Jon, but of course it's one thing to make a good move and another to convince hundreds of people to change their ways. AA = Azor Ahai. Salla tells Davos about it in ACOK, and Mel thinks Stannis is him. Fan theory suggests instead that it's Jon, but it's pretty bs in my opinion. There won't be any magic swords and heroes that oneshot the Others in ASOIAF, I don't think. Another common theory is that it's just a metaphor for something, and Lightbringer (the flaming sword) = the Dragons, or the NW, and serves to protect against the Others. Anyway Jon is almost definitely alive or else why have the Varamyr Sixskins prologue? Well I'm quite sure the nightwatch won't solve the problem. Imo they are just there to hold them back until daeneris arrives with the dragons. At the moment I have a hard time seeing anyone but daeneris win. She has the dragons and a lot of people are flocking around her. I see a lot of her problems just as stalling tactics by GRRM. And there is rarely anyone left who could resist her, let alone three dragons. | ||
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DownOnMyNiece
Germany155 Posts
As of right now, Daeneris has 0 people and 1 dragon. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 14 2012 08:22 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Three dragons? Where do you get that from? As of right now, Daeneris has 0 people and 1 dragon. and then the dragon becomes hungry, eats daeneris. the end.  | ||
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aloT
England1042 Posts
Tyrion + Second Sons, the Golden Company, the Iron Fleet, the Unsullied and Dorne? That certainly sounds like enough to take on Westeros. | ||
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Leth0
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On October 14 2012 08:02 aloT wrote: Jons decision to head south was, in my opinion, the only time in the entire saga that I felt broke literary faith. Jon Snow has always been headstrong. Barring his idea to sign up with the Nights Watch in the first place, all of his decisions were made with alot of intelligence and foresight, as well as courage. Bringing in the wildlings, remanning the castles, gaining the support of Stannis (albiet with no choice), drilling archery into the soldiers, sending Sam to become a maester, using Mance, protecting the baby, as well as the Iron Bank loan were all some of the great things he pulled off. His sudden decision to head south after already previously rejecting the opportunity made no sense. It would of been hard, but he had already committed and had to stick it out. His character should of stuck it out. It made my head spin that GRR Martin would suddenly have his character change so drastically in a few lines.. That's funny, I had exactly the opposite feelings about this. Jon has been struggling with himself chapter after chapter to make the one, right decision in accordance with the watch's words in everything he did. And every decision he made (of all the ones you mentioned above) put a heavier weight on his shoulders, while he got worse and worse news about his home. Eventually he just snapped and decided to fuck it all and do what he felt was the right thing to do all along. It might not have been the smartest thing to do, but I could understand it entirely, and I totally saw it coming. And that's why I totally did not see what followed shortly after coming.  | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
His decision to try to take back Winterfell and rescue the n00bs at Hardhome was foolish as fuck and IMO was merely a rare example of clumsy writing by GRRM; it was to give a reason for the malcontents of the Watch a reason to kill him right now before the end of the book. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 14 2012 08:29 aloT wrote: Dany + friends? What is the theoretical optimal army she could invade Westeros with, assuming that party that may be friendly to her joins. Tyrion + Second Sons, the Golden Company, the Iron Fleet, the Unsullied and Dorne? That certainly sounds like enough to take on Westeros. that's what I thought. there might be some trouble regarding getting them all together, but in the end i have trouble seeing anybody than herself stopping her. There are just the tyrells left but i dont see them stopping the whitewalkers. let alone they will have a hard time to fight what danny got once she lands at thorne and they have the least time to prepare. Ofc melisandre is a wild card but stannis army just dies in the snow (atm). There is hardly anybody else left. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On October 14 2012 08:41 Zealotdriver wrote: His decision to try to take back Winterfell and rescue the n00bs at Hardhome was foolish as fuck and IMO was merely a rare example of clumsy writing by GRRM; it was to give a reason for the malcontents of the Watch a reason to kill him right now before the end of the book. What did Winterfell have to do with that? If I remember correctly, the entire Watch was very much supportive of Jon's plans to take back Winterfell. What got him killed was that he kept defending giants and other outsiders from the north. So for the purpose of having him killed, there's no reason why Jon should have a change of heart right before his death. The outcome would have been the same. | ||
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0x64
Finland4602 Posts
He is given a sword of Valerian Steel -> Flaming sword But yeah I agree that dragons will be the key to save the kingdom from the others. Hinting at artifacts that allows to control dragons. Well... I guess we'll see in many years. | ||
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laszmosis
Australia112 Posts
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On October 14 2012 10:04 laszmosis wrote: I personally think there is a good chance that Jon will transfer his consciousness to another animal/person whatever. Because, that whole prologue, of the dude who done it himself. Why have that whole chapter, if it doesn't relate to the rest of the story. What is the point of that writing if Jon just dies then and there, without expanding on it. I think GRRM is too smart of a writer to waste and chapter. He has a plan for everything. He does have a plan, but sometimes that plan is to deceive the reader. There are many possible outcomes to Jon's assassination. He may simply die. He may recover via magical or even conventional healing (doubtful). Jon may try to inhabit another body and fail. He may inhabit another body only to be promptly killed again, producing many lulz. He may become another reanimated corpse like his step mother, Catelyn Stark, and become another minor character. I'd estimate that most of us hope Jon lives somehow and continues to be a main character, but don't count on it. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On October 14 2012 12:21 Irrelevant Label wrote: ...and for the record he is certainly dead by conventional standards. A stab to the shoulder, ok, nothing too bad. A stab to the gut; things are serious now and given their medicine that might be gg. An unspecified stab on top of that after his self defensive actions have ceased...GG. And it sounds like they had probably drugged him too, possibly just to slow him since he was one of the most dangerous men in the watch and they were a few stewards, possibly something more nasty that might have been an underhanded insurance policy if the knives failed. Really think this is reaching. Besides, as dangerous as Jon may have been, the wrath of the wildlings is a 100 times more dangerous. Still though, from their perspective, it was the right thing to do. Jon betrayed his oath. | ||
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United States596 Posts
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:09 MajuGarzett wrote: Dany smothered him with a pillow and then cremated his body so probably not I would think. Well the maegi said he will come back when the sea is dried up and when she will be able to have kids again (or something like that) So in the end of aDoD she is having her period right? Did she have it before? Because I thouht this could be a sign that she is able to have kids again, or did she have it the whole time? Also the sea drying up could refer to the dothraki sea- and because of the winter the dothraki sea would kind of dry up because all the flora would die? Maybe I'm completely misinterpreting that. It's even more difficult because I read the german versions (maybe some translation errors) But I thought there is some potential | ||
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OKMarius
Norway469 Posts
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Unholy_Prince
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