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Candadar
2049 Posts
On June 25 2012 04:03 ZasZ. wrote: They've already said that Book 3 will fall over 2 seasons....so no you're not the only one who thinks season 3 will only be half of book 3. Oh lol I don't really look into these things very much so yeah. Thanks  | ||
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-vVvTitan-
United States473 Posts
Just needed to vent my frustration | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 25 2012 07:12 -vVvTitan- wrote: OH MY GOD SO MAD..... 3/4ths the way through book 3 and aeirghaiugheipgheagheriugheuigh ERAGAEMRGEIOPARJGEAIOPGJAEIPGJEAIPGJEAPIOGJ F U MARTIN FU FU FU FU FU aoigeaioghepaiougherg Just needed to vent my frustration And yet you will keep reading, like we all did. | ||
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GDbushido
United States926 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Also, when it almost looked like he had killed Davos "off screen" in book four that was worth a raised eyebrow even from hardened veterans of the series wasn't it? | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On June 25 2012 07:12 -vVvTitan- wrote: OH MY GOD SO MAD..... 3/4ths the way through book 3 and aeirghaiugheipgheagheriugheuigh ERAGAEMRGEIOPARJGEAIOPGJAEIPGJEAIPGJEAPIOGJ F U MARTIN FU FU FU FU FU aoigeaioghepaiougherg Just needed to vent my frustration my condolences | ||
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
For example, in Book 5 the Quarthians want Dany's head. The warlock is hunting her down and so on... but they already killed off these characters and so on. Something has to give later on. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Merallion was the singer who had his tongue cut out by Joffrey. Arya's reworked path from the night's watch caravan through being Tywin's cupbearer until leaving Harrenhall changes nothing going forward. So the Reeds arrive late, "". So we didn't meet Ramsay and he didn't pose as Reek, "". So we have this Volantine stand in for Jeyne Westerling, "". We didn't meet the Tullys yet, "". Etc. These things only prevent minor details that would probably be cut anyway from the show such as some of the Lannister-Westerling dealings in book 4. Nothing has happened that prevents resumption of the same story in the books aside from a change of which minor character does something. Nothing that touches the main story arcs has changed. The character implications of Jaime killing a cousin for a half assed escape attempt that was more about just wanting something exciting to do rather than actually having a shot at escaping, Arya not killing people and becominq a general misanthrope, and Dany's...issues...are the most meaningful changes so far just because the characters are not exactly the same people as in the books. In all likelyhood they will keep changing more and more, but nothing has committed them to a meaningfully altered story yet. They had Twyin smile, Bloodraven's pair of eyes on the nights watch's command is absent, there was no chain, and Dany's dress covers half her breasts more than it is supposed to though, so I don't know what I'm watching or why they are trying to associate it with asoiaf... | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
the 2nd season introduced many small and major changes, some of the key characters are fundamentally different than their written counterpart, they being: 1. Littlefinger: He is a stand up, dangerous player in the series, acting as an envoy for the Throne/Lannisters, being in the center of things, and he's outspoken about some of his intentions (tells Sansa he's saving him, hints at gaining power several times, threatens important people). He's pro-active in general, in the books he's a "shadow-broker" kinda puppeteer and you can only guess what he wants to do and surprises you many times. This is bound to cause serious changes. 2. Shae: Very obvious, he appears to be genuinely in love with Tyrion, so they have to invent something for the whole betrayal thing 3. Osha: again, a lot more pro-active person, and seems to know a lot of thins, and on the top of that she s a very good actress so im 100% the writers will twist the story so she gets screen-time. 4. Arya: is not killing people... not enough Potentially significant changes, though most likely wont affect the story: 1. Jaime: becoming a kinslayer, in the books there s an emphasis on kinslaying/kingslaying/godslaying etc, in the series they ll probably just forget about it ever happening. 2. Jon: being headstrong and taking the initiative, being out of line many times, like in Craster's Keep, when he joins the Halfhand. It may or may not cause further diversions in his plot, as things stand they could easily just go back to follow closely the original text but i doubt they will. 3. A bunch of secondary characters died/got disabled like the singer Merallion, Danny's handmaids, Drogo's bloodrider who became Khal (maego?), Danny's english-speaking bloodrider, Xaro, Davos's son who squired for Stannis. They will most likely be just replaced, but still lots of small changes happening all the way which might force some further changes. Furthermore: The trend of unnecessary changes can be observed in s2, many times they just change stuff for the sake of changing stuff like Jon's storyline, Robb's loveaffair, to a lesser extent Danny's Quarth thingy (though a case can be made for that to be needed). And we have the Ros thingy... Forced changes: Introducing characters late or not at all. Blackfish, Ramsay Bolton, the Reed kids, they have to be introduced and some backstroy has to be provided, in the case of Ramsay especially, and i'd imagine we'll have a lot more cases of this, it cant be helped i guess, cuz they 're not allowed to introduce 440 new characters in a season, but still. Plus skipping some cool stuff like the Chain etc Alone non of these changes are huge, but there are so many of them and they could snowball out of control, especially if they keep creating mix-ups just for the sake of it. That being said, i dont think they can afford Trueblood like fail, keeping main characters around who died/left 2 seasons ago | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On June 25 2012 07:12 -vVvTitan- wrote: OH MY GOD SO MAD..... 3/4ths the way through book 3 and aeirghaiugheipgheagheriugheuigh ERAGAEMRGEIOPARJGEAIOPGJAEIPGJEAIPGJEAPIOGJ F U MARTIN FU FU FU FU FU aoigeaioghepaiougherg Just needed to vent my frustration yeah that is about the time when i realized that GRRM was kind of fumbling around. still an enjoyable series, but it get's a little "meh" for me after that. | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On June 25 2012 23:38 sc2superfan101 wrote: yeah that is about the time when i realized that GRRM was kind of fumbling around. still an enjoyable series, but it get's a little "meh" for me after that. i think the biggest problem is that by the feast for crows he's just lost all of the bold, cunning, interesting characters except jaime - who's not without problems of his own. one of the most interesting parts of the series was hearing about the badass BEST fighters in the realm... but since the storm of swords is over it's totally unclear who is the strongest fighter, most cunning or has the most powerful army that said, the story is interesting enough to continue reading the series. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On June 26 2012 09:17 shizna wrote: i think the biggest problem is that by the feast for crows he's just lost all of the bold, cunning, interesting characters except jaime - who's not without problems of his own. one of the most interesting parts of the series was hearing about the badass BEST fighters in the realm... but since the storm of swords is over it's totally unclear who is the strongest fighter, most cunning or has the most powerful army that said, the story is interesting enough to continue reading the series. yeah i think that was a bit of a problem, though at first i thought it was interesting: introduce all the badasses... kill or disable all the badasses. i just dont know if he executed it as well as i would have expected or wished. idk, i'll have to read the end. definitely interesting enough to continue reading, but i don't think he's been able to match that first book yet or even come too close to matching it. i mean Game of Thrones was really fucking good. though the best scene in the entire series is the one where Sam is on the Fist of Men. so fucking intense. and the Red Viper part was tight as fuck but i was a little annoyed with how that ended...  | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
I still can't get over it. Apart from that I was really really surprised that Jon died. I hadn't really thought of it before it happened how he quickly assimilated the wildlings after his turncloak business. We should make a poll about which of the dead you most would've wanted to be kept alive. I hate it how Martin always make you like characters before he kills them off. I even started to like the hound and the viper before they fell. The knight that's going to fight for Cercei is the mountain right? | ||
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On June 26 2012 13:57 Euronyme wrote: I think the most disappointing thing with book 5 was that there in total was two chapters about Arya. Two of like 70. I still can't get over it. Apart from that I was really really surprised that Jon died. I hadn't really thought of it before it happened how he quickly assimilated the wildlings after his turncloak business. We should make a poll about which of the dead you most would've wanted to be kept alive. I hate it how Martin always make you like characters before he kills them off. I even started to like the hound and the viper before they fell. The knight that's going to fight for Cercei is the mountain right? Yeah, there's a good deal of evidence that it's the mountain. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Robert_Strong/Theories Personally I don't think Jon is dead yet. For having been around for 5 books I feel his character will have been wasted if he's dead already. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On June 26 2012 13:57 Euronyme wrote: I think the most disappointing thing with book 5 was that there in total was two chapters about Arya. Two of like 70. I still can't get over it. Apart from that I was really really surprised that Jon died. I hadn't really thought of it before it happened how he quickly assimilated the wildlings after his turncloak business. We should make a poll about which of the dead you most would've wanted to be kept alive. I hate it how Martin always make you like characters before he kills them off. I even started to like the hound and the viper before they fell. The knight that's going to fight for Cercei is the mountain right? In an interview with George R Martin, when the interviewer asked him about the death of Jon Snow, he replies 'Oh so you think he's dead?' or something along those lines, it's very possible that he lives and perhaps that will also have something to do with the Azor Ahai sub plot? | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 26 2012 14:03 MajuGarzett wrote: Yeah, there's a good deal of evidence that it's the mountain. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Robert_Strong/Theories Personally I don't think Jon is dead yet. For having been around for 5 books I feel his character will have been wasted if he's dead already. The scene was too similar to that of Robb for him not to be dead I think. But as always in asoiaf there's always reason to doubt someone's really dead. Is zombie Catelyn still shambling about? I wonder if Loras will survive. It'd kind of ruin him though as a character, as he was the good looking, happy champion right? If he survives having had a bucket of burning tar thrown in his face I guess he'll just turn into the hound or something. Yeah the wiki page of Gregor seems solid. The one weird part is that it mentions that it's strange that Cercei would choose this unknown man as a champion. A knights of the kingsguard has to be her champion, and the others are pretty horrible when it comes to fighting, so she doesn't have a choice really. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On June 25 2012 07:12 -vVvTitan- wrote: OH MY GOD SO MAD..... 3/4ths the way through book 3 and aeirghaiugheipgheagheriugheuigh ERAGAEMRGEIOPARJGEAIOPGJAEIPGJEAIPGJEAPIOGJ F U MARTIN FU FU FU FU FU aoigeaioghepaiougherg Just needed to vent my frustration A Song of Ice and Fire is an epic with a tragedy embedded into it. Enjoy, you just got to the finale of the tragedy. The epicis still great, so keep reading. EDIT: and just to let you know, I threw my book on the ground when I got to the part you're talking about. I immediately picked it up and kept reading, but trust me you're not alone in your frustration. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
Unfortunately, the same holds for Danny, who I can't see dying until her plot converges with the other events in Westeros. Too much buildup with no resolution so far. Can't just kill her off because all the readers (Danny fans and antifans alike) will just go "wtf, why was she even in this story then, could have been a seperate short story". Her events had very little influence over the rest of the major characters so far (with slight exception to Tyrion). | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 26 2012 14:47 moopie wrote: Jon isn't dead for the simple reason that his arc isn't done yet. His path isn't resolved yet, and there is nobody else at the wall that the story can be told through. If Sam was still there, then maybe Jon could have been killed off, but currently plot armor is going to keep him around. He'll either be gravely wounded, or resurrected by Melisandre, or warg into Ghost for a while before warging back into a human body. Unfortunately, the same holds for Danny, who I can't see dying until her plot converges with the other events in Westeros. Too much buildup with no resolution so far. Can't just kill her off because all the readers (Danny fans and antifans alike) will just go "wtf, why was she even in this story then, could have been a seperate short story". Her events had very little influence over the rest of the major characters so far (with slight exception to Tyrion). I think the major point of Dany's near death experiences are that she has stop whimpering about the free cities and go conquer Westeros. Her dreams are telling her just that, and that she's no longer mother of dragons as of when she locked them up etc. I think the next books first chapter with Dany will be the dragon carrying her back, and she'll tell her men to take off to Westeros immidiately or something like that. Some quick action there atleast to move towards Westeros for sure. | ||
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