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Maginor
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Crazyeyes
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Found this thread while trying to find more info. Happy Ent has a theory which I like quite a bit. I much prefer this to poison. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On June 01 2012 17:58 Crazyeyes wrote: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/49214-the-fight-at-the-tower-of-joy/ Found this thread while trying to find more info. Happy Ent has a theory which I like quite a bit. I much prefer this to poison. wow that s so cool, it never crossed my mind, though i always found a bit strange that three of the absolute best knights got defeated by 7 average/good northerners, but i did not dwell so much on it, since we did not know all the details i assumed they were injured or something | ||
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Technique
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just hope he's still alive. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
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On June 01 2012 19:23 Technique wrote: Half man is quickly becoming my favorite character, + Show Spoiler + just hope he's still alive. This is the book allowed/spoiler thread so...uh...he is. That or they decided to make a change from the books that cuts their leading actor and emmy guy while requiring a rename of "the butterfly effect" to "the doom of valyria effect" with regard to changes to the rest of the story. | ||
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KOFgokuon
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Flik
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You do have to wonder what Reed did for Ned though to save him from Arthur Dayne. I wouldn't be surprised if it was something magical because Im sure Dayne could have cut them both down, Dayne was made out to be the best fighter in the realm. I mean even Jaime and Barristan were in awe of him, and he had Dawn. I hope we get to see Howland somewhere in the series, Im not quite sure how he will be introduced at this point though. I think we might find out about "the promise" through the eyes of Bran and Jon as they're warging around. | ||
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Sabu113
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zeru
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Geo.Rion
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On June 02 2012 03:56 zeru wrote: Jojen knows way too much, and seems to have way too much experience for his father not to to have great knowledge. I do enjoy the Howland is Jojen theory though aswell, it feels very GRRM-like. hmm, never heard of it, what are the evidence for it? Aside that we have to meet Howland somehow, and he should be back at home thousands of leagues away from everyone Also wouldnt Meera know about it? To me it seemed Meera made most of the decisions (aside from following Jojen s dreams) | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:01 Geo.Rion wrote: hmm, never heard of it, what are the evidence for it? Aside that we have to meet Howland somehow, and he should be back at home thousands of leagues away from everyone Also wouldnt Meera know about it? To me it seemed Meera made most of the decisions (aside from following Jojen s dreams) I think it's in the thread that I posted. Some guy theorizes that maybe Howland is warged into Jojen this entire time, which explains why he seems so wise and mature. After all, the guy's only like 13 years old. Don't know if I like it, but there you have it. 3v7 with 2 coming out alive is pretty realistic in the first place, and shows how amazing the fighters are. . . but in fantasy, a typical amazing swordsman can cut through tons of guys alone. I don't know how this applies to a GRRM story, but you can easily argue that its realistic enough without any shennigans. I still like that theory quite a bit. And as someone said a post or two above, Jojen and Meera know quite a bit about warging. Aren't they practically able to instruct Bran on it? Neither of them are wargs... I think thats decent evidence that he is a skinchanger. Not to mention all the time he spent on the Isle of Faces. | ||
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Flik
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moopie
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On June 01 2012 06:05 GDbushido wrote: At which point all of her people would have been butchered and if she was lucky she would have been sold into slavery. How anyone could possibly think Dany's arc in the third book is pointless is beyond me. Her battle against the slavers is everything about her. People just want her to be in Westeros fucking shit up already, as if they know the story Martin is trying to tell better than he does. Have these people ever considered that maybe what she's doing in the east is just as important as what she will do when she reaches the Seven Kingdoms? I just want her dead and out of the story. Unfortunately, that can't happen until she gets into the main plots at the very least. Can't kill her off at this point when she's had little to no impact on anybody else in Westeros cause otherwise everyone will just go "why wasn't this just a short story? why did we waste 1000 pages reading about this chick when she didn't matter to the overall plot" Dany's arcs are mostly pointless after AGoT though. mother of dragons, blood of old valyria, yadda yadda. At least Viserys was amusing in his incompetence. Hers was too drawn out imo. Wants to rule westeros, can't even succeed in ruling a single city, and ends up fucking up slaver's bay and being responsible for the deaths of thousands, including many many innocents. In AGoT there was all this build up of her, Viserys and Drogo and the imminent invasion, and that got the story rolling. Once that fell apart, she was the biggest chore to read imo (much more so than Cat's chapters). | ||
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Nevuk
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On June 01 2012 15:30 Crazyeyes wrote: I think you understimate how difficult it is to change hands. He's been using his right for his entire life. Just try to function normally with your offhand and see how you do. Its surprisingly clusmy, and and doing something that requires tremedous skill such as fighting with a sword would be incredibly difficult. Especially when going up against someone who's not at that disadvantage. I dont think he's a bad swordsman, I just don't think ser Ilyn is anything special. Ilyn not having practiced sword fighting makes sense to me as an explanation for why it seems like Jaime isn't improving at all fighting him (rather both are improving, Ilyn back to his old standard and Jaime to an averageish one). I dunno, it might be that I have an ambidextrous brother as to why I'm underestimating the difficulty. edit : http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Knight Knights are definitely, in westerosi terms, of the faith of the seven. It's why there are so few northern knights. Selmy might have just thrown that out the window when he went "fuck you" to westeros. I don't recall specifically Sandor saying that he doesn't believe in the gods, but I do think he may have said something like "fuck the gods, old and new." . Oh, here's something from AFFC about him : "...this was a bitter tormented soul, a sinner who mocked both gods and men. He served but found no pride in service. He fought but took no joy in victory. He drank, to drown his pain in a sea of wine. He did not love, nor was he loved himself. It was hate that drove him. Though he committed many sins he never sought forgiveness. Where other men dream of love, or wealth or glory, this man Sandor Clegane dreamed of slaying his own brother, a sin so terrible it makes me shudder just to speak of it. Yet it was the bread that nourished him, the fuel that kept his fires burning. Ignoble as it was, the hope of seeing his brother's blood upon his blade was all this sad and angry creature lived for...and even that was taken from him when Prince Oberyn of Dorne stabbed Ser Gregor with a poisoned spear and agreed about Dany - I skipped her chapters in aCoK and many in SoS and felt like the books were much improved in terms of pacing lol Oh and the ToJ passage is from the book. It was also apparently filmed at some point by HBO. I hope it comes up in the HoTU or something similar. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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Crazyeyes
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Book 3 she' sjust fucking conquering shit, there was the big Barrison reveal (might have been book 2?), etc etc. In 5, yeah, she sucked... she had like 2 good chapters, if that. But before taht? I don't particalarily remember being bored or angry when I saw "Danaerys" at the top. "Catelyn" however... | ||
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Nevuk
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On June 02 2012 13:09 Crazyeyes wrote: wtf, you skipped Dany in books 2/3? That's where she was actually interesting. It's book 5 that she was awful in. Book 3 she' sjust fucking conquering shit, there was the big Barrison reveal (might have been book 2?), etc etc. In 5, yeah, she sucked... she had like 2 good chapters, if that. But before taht? I don't particalarily remember being bored or angry when I saw "Danaerys" at the top. "Catelyn" however... I was so bored by Dany chapters in acok that I never even read the hotu chapter. In SoS I occasionally checked in. On June 02 2012 12:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The way you put it there and in the quote makes it seem like he does believe in the gods, he just doesn't revere or respect them, he hates and resents them (just like he hates everything and everyone else) Yeah. That's what a priest says about him, but it makes sense that he isn't an atheist in light of this. | ||
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Crazyeyes
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GGTeMpLaR
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Flik
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I had no idea what was going on in the House of the Undying either. But I loved it when Drogon went apeshit and fuckin melted Pyat Prees face. I can't wait to see that on the show. | ||
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