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On June 03 2014 12:56 rei wrote:
netero's ability is enhancement of a conjured nen thousand arm Buddha statue, not only that he also use "in" to conceal it's movement like how Kuropika conceal his chain when he was fighting Uvogin. remember Enhancement doesn't only allow someone to enhance their own body like gon or Uvogin, they can also do it to items. That Nen Buddha is not an emission ability. And Netero has a restriction on his ability too, he has to pray first every time he use his nen Buddha to attack. It's just that he's movement is faster than speed of sound, nothing anyone can do about it.
its definently not a materialization ability, making something that huge and that dependant is a waste, its an emission attack like Reizas 14 devils or smoke dudes puppets
its just an emission ability that also uses reinforcement, emission to make the shape reinforcement to give it strnegth (probably)
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What gets my attention is Ging telling Pariston to "send 5000 chimeras". What the hell is that supposed to be? They control tons of the chimera ants and intend to use it to tank damage in the dark continent?
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On June 04 2014 22:53 Arceus wrote:
What gets my attention is Ging telling Pariston to "send 5000 chimeras". What the hell is that supposed to be? They control tons of the chimera ants and intend to use it to tank damage in the dark continent?
they could be more adapted to the new world and more wasily able to spot dangers so use them as guides to figure out where is safe?
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This stuff is pretty hard to understand, coming out of hiatus.
Also, lots of conditions, rules, treaties and parties... breaks my head.
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On June 05 2014 00:21 Beany wrote:
This stuff is pretty hard to understand, coming out of hiatus.
Also, lots of conditions, rules, treaties and parties... breaks my head.
I have a feeling this is the reason why Kanzai(Tiger) exists as a part of the zodiacs.
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I didn't think too much about the abundance of information and I won't untill it becomes relevant so what I am just gonna focus on is:
Ging and Pariston is gonna be alot of fun to observe especially since I can't find out whether or not Ging wants to screw Pariston over or if he just wants to use him. Only thing that's obvious is that Ging sees it as a ticket to the Dark Continent
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On June 05 2014 00:35 Iplaythings wrote:
I didn't think too much about the abundance of information and I won't untill it becomes relevant so what I am just gonna focus on is:
Ging and Pariston is gonna be alot of fun to observe especially since I can't find out whether or not Ging wants to screw Pariston over or if he just wants to use him. Only thing that's obvious is that Ging sees it as a ticket to the Dark Continent
i think there both using each other and both plan to screw over the other one
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I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua
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On June 08 2014 17:49 GettingIt wrote:
I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua
Actually Gon has been shown to be quite intelligent or at least not easily fooled when it matters. For example when he wanted to heal kaito and was interacting with the kings royal guard.
Still, long careful plotting isnt his strong point I'd agree
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He's obviously not dumb as he's a genius at using nen.
It's more of a simple kind of intelligence, like when he met the invisible kameleon whose name I can't remember he didn't think much about if he'd betray him, he simplified it to "if I can have an ally I get an ally, if it's an enemy, then I have to get rid of him regardless", that sort of thing, it's hard for me to artiulate it 
But he doesn't deduce things, if it's not intuitive to him he probally doesnt look very smart at all (think Math attack by Knuckle)
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Not sure if people have seen the databook which lists their respective power levels. Gon's battle intelligence is rated at 5/5
under ingenuity, which is why he can potentially beat people with higher nen levels.
For those who haven't seen the databook stats(which dismisses a lot of the arguments here about whose stronger)
These stats are for the last part of the chimera arc.
Mind / Skill / Stamina / Aura/ Ingenuity / Knowledge / Total
5 5 5 5 5 5 30 Netero
4 5 5 5 5 4 28 Pitou
3 5 5 5 5 5 28 Pufu
5 5 5 5 3 4 27 Youpi
5 4 5 4 4 4 26 Biscuit
5 4 4 4 4 4 25 Kuroro
3 4 4 4 5 4 24 Hisoka
4 4 4 4 4 4 24 Razer
4 4 4 4 3 4 23 Morau
4 4 4 4 3 4 23 Kaito
3 4 4 4 4 4 23 Gensuru
4 3 4 4 5 3 23 Gon
4 4 4 4 3 4 23 Killua
4 4 4 4 2 4 22 Wing
3 4 4 4 3 4 22 Shoot
4 4 4 4 3 3 22 Knuckle
2 4 4 4 3 4 21 Novu
3 3 3 4 5 3 21 Palm
5 is rated as the limits for humans with netero being the perfect 'human'. Obviously all 5's aren't ranked the same and all 3's aren't ranked the same. But it gives you an idea of tier groups. Mereum pre 'boost' is rated at all 6+ which means alien species can go beyond human limits for obvious reasons. A gorilla for example is always going to be stronger than humans nomatter how much strength training a human does. Gorillas surpass the strongest human limits and Mereum's intelligence,speed,strength et c are all above what the most talented humans can reach.
Using these stats for example Knuckle would most likely lose to Gon because Gon would use the surroudings, know how to exploit Knuckles weakness far better. Gon isn't a knucklehead as some have suggested.
Aura/Nen is raw powerlevels and the other stats show why a person with much stronger nen/aura can lose to a weaker one. Gon beating Bomber is such an example.
Hisoka isn't anywhere near top tier as some suggested , infact like every other main character he's been improving rather than 'hiding' his true strength.
3 4 4 3 5 4 23 Hisoka (Hunter Exam)
3 4 4 4 5 4 24 Hisoka (York Shin)
This is pretty good for the author to aknowledge that everyone improves over time, not just the protagonists.
Stats aren't everything but it's a good indicator of how the author himself ranks people according to strength. Numbers themselves aren't a good indicator beyond > or < and doesn't show much weaker or stronger. The difference between Hisoka and Gon would be for example far far bigger than Gon and Knuckle even if there's only 1 point difference.
For Hisoka fanbois like myself it's good to see Hisoka isn't at godtier , because it means we'll see character developement because it's pretty much guranteed Hisoka will be top tier by the end along with Gon et c.
The arguments of Netero being at 50% strength only is about his physical strength, his combat style (buddha hands) depends on his nen control and intelligence which would have been boosted as much as he lost physical strength as he grew older. Also shows the difference between a 5 and a 6. Double his stamina stats would still not result in a 6 (peak).
Et c if someone with 1 stamina can lift 50kgs 2 stamina would be 80kg 3stamina being 200 4 stamina being 500kg 5
stamina being 10tonnes for example. Stat's don't show the difference in power levels just the power tiers themselves.
Pretty sure Netereo was the strongest human on earth , anyone else including the royal guards would not have survived his buddha attacks , seems like the most overpowered attack style which can only result in someone totally 'enlightened' in fighting again reinforced by perfect scores.(Pinnacle of human limits).
Yoshihiro Togashi isn't a typical shonen author, his previous work YuYu Hakusho , the protaganist wasn't even remotely close to top tier by the end. Strongest being in YuYu Hakusho died to a disease(similar to Mereum). Though I'm sure a lot of people are expecting naruto type of progression which Togashi is fortunately not looking like he will follow.
Super gon>Future gon. Super gon is what Gon will end up like IF he trained like Netero did (10years of pure isolation training) which isn't going to happen. Super Gon is Gon at his full potential which can only be reached by doing what Netero did. Future gon will be obviously very strong, but nowhere near as 2 hit KO Royalguards (who themselves are as strong as 3ranked hunters) strong.
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On June 08 2014 22:00 kanchome wrote:
Not sure if people have seen the databook which lists their respective power levels. Gon's battle intelligence is rated at 5/5
under ingenuity, which is why he can potentially beat people with higher nen levels.
For those who haven't seen the databook stats(which dismisses a lot of the arguments here about whose stronger)
These stats are for the last part of the chimera arc.
Mind / Skill / Stamina / Aura/ Ingenuity / Knowledge / Total
5 5 5 5 5 5 30 Netero
4 5 5 5 5 4 28 Pitou
3 5 5 5 5 5 28 Pufu
5 5 5 5 3 4 27 Youpi
5 4 5 4 4 4 26 Biscuit
5 4 4 4 4 4 25 Kuroro
3 4 4 4 5 4 24 Hisoka
4 4 4 4 4 4 24 Razer
4 4 4 4 3 4 23 Morau
4 4 4 4 3 4 23 Kaito
3 4 4 4 4 4 23 Gensuru
4 3 4 4 5 3 23 Gon
4 4 4 4 3 4 23 Killua
4 4 4 4 2 4 22 Wing
3 4 4 4 3 4 22 Shoot
4 4 4 4 3 3 22 Knuckle
2 4 4 4 3 4 21 Novu
3 3 3 4 5 3 21 Palm
Those ratings are kinda retarded, like they always are in mangas. I'm not even sure they are wrote by the artist.
I mean, Morau who was used by Knuckle as benchmark in aura level when fighting Yupi is a 4, same as Gon who was described as having the aura level of a mid level pro. Razer is also a 4...
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On June 08 2014 18:50 Ahzz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 17:49 GettingIt wrote:
I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua Actually Gon has been shown to be quite intelligent or at least not easily fooled when it matters. For example when he wanted to heal kaito and was interacting with the kings royal guard. Still, long careful plotting isnt his strong point I'd agree
there was also when the attack first started he was the first to realise interest dude might get hit by the attack and someone would need to take his spot fighting the guard
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The numbers are either written or agreed upon by the author, hence official databook stats.
Again the numbers are simply benchmarks. As in stamina 3 could mean you could lift anything from 200kg to 500kg for example. Someone who can lift 200kg will have the same stat as someone who can lift 500kg.
That explains why Netero even at 50% physical strength is still a 5 in stamina and at peak 100% is still nowhere close to a 6.
It shows how much of a gap a single point is when within the same point there's huge gaps. BTW Gon and Killua improved drastically by the end of the chimera arc.
2 2 2 0 3 1 10 Gon (Hunter Exam)
3 2 3 1 3 2 14 Gon (Celestial Tower)
3 3 3 2 3 2 16 Gon (York Shin)
3 3 3 3 3 2 17 Gon (Greed Island)
3 3 4 3 3 2 18 Gon (Chimera Ant I)
4 3 4 4 4 3 22 Gon (Chimera Ant II)
4 3 4 4 5 3 23 Gon (Chimera Ant III)
Gon's Aura levels doubled at least during the chimera arc alone.
Difference of Gon at initial chimera and end is relative to the difference between Gon at start and Gon at York shin.
You just have to accept the fact Gon is one/billion who has a +500% exp gain or something. Pretty much hinted he picks up things faster than anyone else and Super Gon is a testimony of his actual talent. No other human in the hunterxhunter universe I'd imagine has the potential to be Goku except Gon I'd imagine.
Gon and Killua went up 10 levels fighting things far beyond their tier if a RPG analogy was to be made. Chimeras were pretty much the strongest beings any hunters went up against, and if the mission was made official everyone involved would have been a 3star member. (Mereum was strong enough to solo an entire army or the entire hunter organisation).
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I have no idea what's going on... It has been ages since I read HxH... Why are they going to the dark continent again?
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On June 09 2014 01:13 []Phase[] wrote:
I have no idea what's going on... It has been ages since I read HxH... Why are they going to the dark continent again?
theres been no particular motive, neteros kid wants to go and everyones reacting to him
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On June 09 2014 01:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 01:13 []Phase[] wrote:
I have no idea what's going on... It has been ages since I read HxH... Why are they going to the dark continent again? theres been no particular motive, neteros kid wants to go and everyones reacting to him
Even before neteros kid, I remember gin talking about a world that is way more vast than the world they are in right now, while in the world tree with goku. I guess a lot of hunters who are born explorers and adventurers want to find it.
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On June 09 2014 00:20 kanchome wrote:
The numbers are either written or agreed upon by the author, hence official databook stats.
Again the numbers are simply benchmarks. As in stamina 3 could mean you could lift anything from 200kg to 500kg for example. Someone who can lift 200kg will have the same stat as someone who can lift 500kg.
That explains why Netero even at 50% physical strength is still a 5 in stamina and at peak 100% is still nowhere close to a 6.
It shows how much of a gap a single point is when within the same point there's huge gaps. BTW Gon and Killua improved drastically by the end of the chimera arc.
2 2 2 0 3 1 10 Gon (Hunter Exam)
3 2 3 1 3 2 14 Gon (Celestial Tower)
3 3 3 2 3 2 16 Gon (York Shin)
3 3 3 3 3 2 17 Gon (Greed Island)
3 3 4 3 3 2 18 Gon (Chimera Ant I)
4 3 4 4 4 3 22 Gon (Chimera Ant II)
4 3 4 4 5 3 23 Gon (Chimera Ant III)
Gon's Aura levels doubled at least during the chimera arc alone.
Difference of Gon at initial chimera and end is relative to the difference between Gon at start and Gon at York shin.
You just have to accept the fact Gon is one/billion who has a +500% exp gain or something. Pretty much hinted he picks up things faster than anyone else and Super Gon is a testimony of his actual talent. No other human in the hunterxhunter universe I'd imagine has the potential to be Goku except Gon I'd imagine.
Gon and Killua went up 10 levels fighting things far beyond their tier if a RPG analogy was to be made. Chimeras were pretty much the strongest beings any hunters went up against, and if the mission was made official everyone involved would have been a 3star member. (Mereum was strong enough to solo an entire army or the entire hunter organisation).
The numbers being benchmarks doesn't make this ranking not retarded.
When Gon fights Knuckle he is a 4 in aura and is aura level is 21.500 ( the same as a middle level pro) according to Knuckle's ability.
In the attack of the king, the amount of aura given to Yupi is 370.000 and it's still not enough to make him "bankrupt" despite the fact he used incredible amounts of Aura in this 10+ minute fight.
If you can be a 4 in aura with 21.500 aura and a 5 with 400.000+ (which according to Knuckle is at least 10 times bigger than Morau's aura) , then this ranking makes no sense.
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