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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 08 2014 17:49 GettingIt wrote: I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua
Gon is really smart. He isn't a schemer like Hisoka or even Killua, but the way he saw through Pitou's attempted deceit in the palace really showcased just how brilliant he is when on edge.
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[/QUOTE] The numbers being benchmarks doesn't make this ranking not retarded. When Gon fights Knuckle he is a 4 in aura and is aura level is 21.500 ( the same as a middle level pro) according to Knuckle's ability. In the attack of the king, the amount of aura given to Yupi is 370.000 and it's still not enough to make him "bankrupt" despite the fact he used incredible amounts of Aura in this 10+ minute fight. If you can be a 4 in aura with 21.500 aura and a 5 with 400.000+ (which according to Knuckle is at least 10 times bigger than Morau's aura) , then this ranking makes no sense. [/QUOTE]
Do you not know the differences in the ARC? When Gon fights Knuckle he is at 3 aura (pre aura training) When Gon finishes aura training ready to take on the chimeras He's at 4(surpasses knuckles). When he's at 3 Knuckles is ahead because same numbers are simply tiers rather than equals.
I don't know how he jumped from 4 to 5 at chimera arc 3 , but it's either the result of him beating Pitou (redactive gain after he loses everything) or he underwent a fundamental change during the time he was waiting for Komuki to heal(most likely).
Ranking/stats seem to be exponential based on full potential on human limits rather than incremental.
A good analogy would be starcraft 2. Grand masters being 5, masters being 4, platinum being 3. Even within masters the difference between high masters and low masters is huge and grandmaster encompasses everyone from casual players to top pros. Saying you're a grandmaster says nothing in itself, except you're better than masters or platinum players. It doesn't say anything about how much better you are either.
Numbers themselves say nothing as I noted previously,they simply point out tier levels. It doesn't show the gap in skill/strength by numbers and even having same stats could result in a very one sided fight. If you take out gon/killua the tier ranking seems pretty much spot on based on what most people guessed how strong each person was. Most people underestimate how much Gon/killua jumped in combat tiers during chimera arc, because they forget the mission was probably the most dangerous mission in the entire hunter organisations history. Pretty damn certain no other mission consisted of fighting 3 chimeras who are 3star equivelent hunters(who are stronger than the phantom troupe by a large margin) and a being strong enough to solo a country.(knuckles own words)
Gon/killua did more actual damage to the chimera leaders than anyone else including morou/knuckles who didn't actually inflict any damage and at best ran around to delay them helping the king. (Think it's too rpgish but that's the only explaination)
Hisoka at the elections even wants to fight Killua which means he's finally at a tier where Hisoka can consider them a challenge which is just below Hisoka. Same Hisoka who thought most hunters minus the zodiacs were fodder, so he obviously rates Killua higher than nearly every hunter who isn't top tier.
Gon/Killua are only a tier below the zodiacs which is where Morau is , though the gap between them is huge. The narrative explains everything without the numbers, most people seem to skip certain narratives to favor a particular view.
I do agree the whole RPGISH element of gaining x10more skill from a single encounter is silly , but at least Togashi is consistent with everything. Certain people might heavily dislike the idea that Gon is already a top tier hunter, and want 10more training arcs but it's Togashi's story and he's made it pretty clear through stats and narrative how strong Gon/Killua are currently.
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i love to see some zeroes like those of DBZ power levels... from farmer at PWL 1 to SS5 vegeto at 500,000,000,000????
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On June 09 2014 04:38 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2014 17:49 GettingIt wrote: I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua Gon is really smart. He isn't a schemer like Hisoka or even Killua, but the way he saw through Pitou's attempted deceit in the palace really showcased just how brilliant he is when on edge.
Gon is plot smart. Smart when he needs to be, otherwise he's average.
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On June 09 2014 10:26 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 04:38 Zealously wrote:On June 08 2014 17:49 GettingIt wrote: I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua Gon is really smart. He isn't a schemer like Hisoka or even Killua, but the way he saw through Pitou's attempted deceit in the palace really showcased just how brilliant he is when on edge. Gon is plot smart. Smart when he needs to be, otherwise he's average. hes always smart hes just also extremely carefree so most of the time hes fine to jsut go with the flow or whatever seems like more fun
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 09 2014 10:26 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 04:38 Zealously wrote:On June 08 2014 17:49 GettingIt wrote: I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua Gon is really smart. He isn't a schemer like Hisoka or even Killua, but the way he saw through Pitou's attempted deceit in the palace really showcased just how brilliant he is when on edge. Gon is plot smart. Smart when he needs to be, otherwise he's average.
Honestly I think he's pretty dumb when he's not in a life-threatening situation TT
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On June 09 2014 17:17 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 10:26 killa_robot wrote:On June 09 2014 04:38 Zealously wrote:On June 08 2014 17:49 GettingIt wrote: I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua Gon is really smart. He isn't a schemer like Hisoka or even Killua, but the way he saw through Pitou's attempted deceit in the palace really showcased just how brilliant he is when on edge. Gon is plot smart. Smart when he needs to be, otherwise he's average. Honestly I think he's pretty dumb when he's not in a life-threatening situation TT he came up with a plan to get into greed island faster then Killua and to steal Hisokas badge
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On June 10 2014 00:05 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 17:17 Zealously wrote:On June 09 2014 10:26 killa_robot wrote:On June 09 2014 04:38 Zealously wrote:On June 08 2014 17:49 GettingIt wrote: I like how Ging isn't just strong as fuck (I'm assuming he is) but apparently hes also really clever...unlike Gon who is just emotions and brute force. But thats why he has Killua Gon is really smart. He isn't a schemer like Hisoka or even Killua, but the way he saw through Pitou's attempted deceit in the palace really showcased just how brilliant he is when on edge. Gon is plot smart. Smart when he needs to be, otherwise he's average. Honestly I think he's pretty dumb when he's not in a life-threatening situation TT he came up with a plan to get into greed island faster then Killua and to steal Hisokas badge
One of my favorites is him tricking the spider guy when him and Killua escape from their hideout. Very good thinking under pressure.
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source of where you guys get these numbers from. Stop pulling random bullshit out of your ass, link/screenshot or i'm not ganna believe these bullshit.
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Ging*
And no, i have no idea myself for much of it. It's starting to bug me a bit. Was actually considering asking if somebody here could explain a few things about it...
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Yeah I am curious too.. When they mentioned the exams I was wondering if they meant they held a hunter exam for the captured chimeras and most with nen abilities (majority) became hunters? So there is a 5000man strong chimera force within the association that are licensed hunters?
As for the Pariston - Ging dynamic, I understood it as both Ging and Pariston wanting to achieve the same goals but going about it differently. Ging aims to complete the task directly (hands on) with causing little to no collateral damage while Pariston goes about achieving the goal by somewhat underhanded means to cause people to hate him while still completing his goal I guess (I guess it's just a character quirk like Hisoka and Illumi). It doesn't really have to make a whoel lot of sense, it is just a preference of the character.
As for Kurapika, does it mean he is now the "boss" of the company or is he still under the former family that loss their wealth in the Yorkshin arc? I also didn't quite get it if he was the "Boss" they were alluding to.
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I dont understand what Gin said about the little chimera sitting on the ground, is she the strongest of the group?
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On June 10 2014 02:22 rei wrote: source of where you guys get these numbers from. Stop pulling random bullshit out of your ass, link/screenshot or i'm not ganna believe these bullshit.
It's okay Rei. You do a good job already in the onepiece thread where you come up with conclusions that go contrary to what should be pretty clear to most people.
http://imgur.com/a/tYEuz/noscript Luckily there's hardfacts, but that won't stop people making up their own theories. After all , there's people who believe that the moon landing was a hoax contrary to proof, people who still believe the earth is flat and people who read manga like it was translated from Jp->Russian->Chinese->Sanskrit->English and think the author is wrong about their own manga like Rei does in the onepiece thread.
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what's with the personal insults? I always go by facts, and I merely asking for facts, I'm a straight shooter when I am proven wrong, as it demonstrated with my exchange in this thread with Forikorder. Just because I can see more possibilities with the same given facts than you doesn't mean "most people" lacks imagination and can't read the author's words between the lines.
also the fact that I can point a god damn lazor and hit the receiver that is left on the moon is an irrefutable fact. and Oda admitted he got one piece wrong and regretted Red Hair losing an arm is irrefutable fact.
Let me get in your head a little bit here, you were someone got owned by me pretty hard and tried to retaliate on the one piece threat and got banned for it. So you now have an vendetta against me with your new account. Deep down you know a lot of my analysis were correct, it just that the way I spit your direction after you realize I was right just rub you the wrong way and you need to protect your internet honor, so you can never acknowledge it. from a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest, how hard did i read your mind?
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Do you have source for Oda's comment on Shanks? I've heard this comment a lot, but I've never seen the source.
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On June 11 2014 21:10 aTnClouD wrote: I dont understand what Gin said about the little chimera sitting on the ground, is she the strongest of the group? There is this guy on Mangastream doing summaries after the recent chapters in the comment section. If you read through the entire chapter and forward another page to where it says "Thanks for reading" there is a disqus powered comment section which sometimes can be very well worth the read. It is chapter specific and there is one for every chapter of every manga MS does.
This weeks summary is in the spoiler below, one might not agree on everything but I think it's worth the read! + Show Spoiler [Summary] +The chapter was a lot more easier to read than last weeks but it still has a quite a number of points to cover. I will say the Ging and Pariston discussion was little hard to understand at points.
The current chairmen of the Hunter Association, Cheadle, has asked Leerio to join The Zodiacs. She mentioned how Leerio has the greatest image out of all the other Zodiacs. If you don't recall, Leerio came 2nd, losing to Pariston in becoming the 13th chairmen of the Hunter Association. Pariston gave up his title to Cheadle because he didn't care enough. Leerio has more support than Cheadle herself and so recruiting him is essential because it solidifies Cheadle's influence as chairman.
The problem is currently Leerio is in medical school and if he was to join the journey to The Dark Continent, he would have to suspend all his studies. Cheadle mentions with her power she contacted the school and they made exceptions that would allow Leerio to study abroad indefinitely. Cheadle would be the head medical professor and made the assertion that depending on Leerio's ability, he could gain practical hands on experience which would lessen his time in becoming a doctor. Leerio accepts because The Dark Continent which is filled with disease and harsh conditions would be perfect place to practice his medical training. Leerio also accepts because he knows in some way shape or form Gon will want to explore the Dark Continent and so before that happens, he needs to improve his medical knowledge in case Gon gets injured. Leerio accepts but he asks one more person to join the Zodiac.
Back to Ging and Pariston. Ging asks Pariston why he would even make the proposition of sending the chimera ant soldiers to the human world. Ging explains that the V5 accepted the expedition, if high ranking government officials worked with the country of Kakin. This was a problem. The civilians of Kakin were restless and felt that only a few of them would be offered to go to the expedition and believed wait times would increase. With the government officials in the mix, the sense of adventures felt cheapened and monitored. The notion of unbridled adventure and freedom to explore, now felt more systematic because officials don't care about adventure but gaining a benefit from the expedition. Pariston then mentions two things, one that he felt the organization became too boring or rather too much of a puppet with V5 controlling them to such an extent. And two that he planned to let Beyond enter The Dark Continent, use a foreign alternative route and declare that Beyond is being hunted (the way the original Hunter Association would have done it). Ging then tells Pariston he is not "bored" but rather dissatisfied with The Hunter Association. He believes the current members aren't up to scratch and wants new members in the Hunter Association. If Cheadle could adjust the Hunter Exam to make it more easier for Pariston's flunkies and connections, then all is party could join The Hunter Association. This would allow Pariston to not be bored with the Hunter Association and have feeling the association would reverting back to when Netero was Chairmen. Pariston knows that the Hunter Association is too busy with The Dark Continent and V5 and so having the 5000 chimera ant soldiers attack the world would be too much of a hassle to take care of. Cheadle would be forced to negotiate. Pariston is impressed that Ging figured it out. Pariston randomly reveals that when he is hated by people he feels the most happiness. Red flags here and also that image on page 10 was really ominous.
A member of Pariston's party tries to interject but Ging quickly tells him to not interfere. Another member from the party gets aggravated with Ging's attitude and wants to fight him. Ging quickly grabs him and then created realistic frightening illusion of him bashing his head in with his fist. The member is so frightened he can't say a word clearly Ging is on another level. He then asks for the highest ranked person here and he makes the realization it is this girl sitting down in the corner. Pariston laughs and says that Ging is looking down on him, that he is the 2nd highest ranked person there. Ging then states that he is much more powerful than Pariston. Pariston just smiles and with that Ging makes the declaration he is the number two person in the room.
Mizaistom finds where Kurapika is located. He enters a room with people associated with Kurapica and asks if he can talk with him. He is told to leave by the secretary but he refuses, Three guys try to attack him but he raises a card, yells "restraint" and all three guys are frozen. From the looks of it he created some kind of barrier around the three guys.....maybe he can control barriers using cards? The secretary who is surprised and says he will call Kurapica. Mizaistom deduces the secretary is an organization member and is suprised he is working here. The organization member tells Mizaistom that this organization pays its taxes and it's income is from gambling and bodyguard work, which is all legal in this country. Kurapica arrives and asks for Mizaistom's business. Mizaistom explains that Leerio has asked the chairman that Kurapica joins the Zodiac. Kurapica refuses and Mizaistom follows by saying that he knows that Kurapika is looking for the murderers of his comrades from the Kurta Clan. Kurapica activates his nen and is fully ready to fight Mizaistom if doesn't choose his next words carefully. Mizaistom tells him they know the person who is the owner of the Kurta Clan's eyes during the Yorksnew City arc. Kurapica is surprised because he has been searching for months on end for the owner but with no leads. He then deducts that would mean if he joined the expedition, that he would be riding in the same boat as the owner of the eyes. Mizaistom confirms his assertion and Kurapica swiftly accepts to join the Zodiac. Mizaistom then drops a bombshell by saying the owner of the Kurta Clan's eyes is the current Fourth prince of Kakin, Tseridonich Hoicoro.
*My prediction in a time skip was completely dashed in one chapter. I predict next chapter Killua and Gon will some how be in the fray and join the expedition. Gon and Killua already have prestige in that they were one of the hunters who accepted to take out the chimera ants. I will say that I am very surprised that Leerio is going. Other than the warp punch he did on Ging, he hasn't shown too much nen abilities. Add to the fact he has been studying this entire time and it is fair to say Gon, Killua and Kurapica are leagues ahead of him in fighting power. Unless Leerio is only there for medical training, he will be completely reliant on the Zodiac. Kurapica is powerful as it is right now but his power is derived by using it on the Phantom Troupe. Even though a vow adds further limitations to using his Nen ability, a vow is not the primary condition for an ability's activation and acts only to enhance its power. So Kurapica won't be as powerful as he normally would be if he fought the Phantom Troupe.
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i cant believe we get 3 new chapters of HxH in 3 weeks. goddamn this is so unreal.
very good chapter, lots of shit is going on i love it! Ging immediately announced that he is no.2 in the room is a big lol. That doll/puppet girl is very strong huh.
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On June 12 2014 03:04 BurningSera wrote: i cant believe we get 3 new chapters of HxH in 3 weeks. goddamn this is so unreal.
very good chapter, lots of shit is going on i love it! Ging immediately announced that he is no.2 in the room is a big lol. That doll/puppet girl is very strong huh.
i am prepared that the doll girl is once again a huge buff male...
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On June 12 2014 03:04 BurningSera wrote: i cant believe we get 3 new chapters of HxH in 3 weeks. goddamn this is so unreal.
very good chapter, lots of shit is going on i love it! Ging immediately announced that he is no.2 in the room is a big lol. That doll/puppet girl is very strong huh. He didn't say he was number 2 in the room. He asked who was the top dog in the room, guessed the girl and was corrected by pariston who said that he was the number 2 (probably meaning number 2 in the organization ranking after Beyond).
Ging does seem to think that the girl is physically stronger than Pariston, which is interesting. Although he also seem to think Pariston isn't that strong.
I have a question, does anyone know if Beyond actually already went to the dark continent or not?
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