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On May 30 2014 02:37 Raneth wrote:Again unless im mising something, in the anime the bomb has not killed him, he seems pretty alive  you might want to avoid this thread to avoid spoilers
+ Show Spoiler + he does survive the bomb but the bomb also has poison that kills the king and his 2 remaining guards
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On May 30 2014 02:39 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 02:37 Raneth wrote:Again unless im mising something, in the anime the bomb has not killed him, he seems pretty alive  you might want to avoid this thread to avoid spoilers + Show Spoiler + he does survive the bomb but the bomb also has poison that kills the king and his 2 remaining guards That is some old bullshit, who makes a bomb that does that? o.o
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On May 30 2014 03:03 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 02:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 30 2014 02:37 Raneth wrote:Again unless im mising something, in the anime the bomb has not killed him, he seems pretty alive  you might want to avoid this thread to avoid spoilers + Show Spoiler + he does survive the bomb but the bomb also has poison that kills the king and his 2 remaining guards That is some old bullshit, who makes a bomb that does that? o.o Humans, that's the point. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC-1_bomb
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On May 30 2014 00:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +the king was "dead" after the fight with netero... netero weakened him (alhough it doesn't show) and the bomb finished him... whether he was revived or not, it was very clear that the king was defeated by netero.... the thing that makes it boring and left a bad taste in your mouth forikorder is the "dramatic" ending of the king... this isn't naruto... wtf!
the chimera arc was given a proper ending... and was one the most creative arc in all of manga... the only drawback for me here is the king notoriously look like dbz cell... he wasnt defeated by Netero he owned Netero and got defeated by some never before mentioned bomb that is aparently stronger then the strongest human ever (much much stronger) there was just no way at all to possibly think that it would happen and there was no other way to kill the king Show nested quote +Togashi kept dropping subtle hints that foreshadowed the bomb's eventual usage. well i completely missed them
and kindly explain to me forikorder who is the person who used the bomb? who used the bomb to kill the king? it was clearly netero.... thus netero killed him... he did his job in stopping the king... you are only thinking about the physical 1 on 1... dont tell me if i run amok on new york and bomb the time square, people will say, it was bomb killed john doe? bomb as the name who massacared 100+ people.... okey, lets use another example.... we have a 1 on 1 forikoder and i used a knife to stab you.... i had a beating but i did manage to stab you... i died... you live on to rush to the hospital... but you died nonetheless of the poison that i "imbued" on the knife and the excessive blood loss... dont tell me it was knife who killed you? i killed you... dont you get it????
you are not thinking well... do you remember what happend to bomber? overwhelming aura and physical strength doesn't automatically shield you... remember the gasoline?
netero was one of the strongest nen users but it was clearly stated on the manga that his power when he fought the king nowhere close to half of his max power when he was in his prime... you also have to take into consideration of his age, he was 100+... as what as some previously posted, the bomb was one of the things that symbolizes the malice of mankind...
as far as im concerned, all arcs in hxh are based on togashi's hobbies and likes... it was qouted from him on an interview...
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On May 30 2014 09:12 riyanme wrote: as far as im concerned, all arcs in hxh are based on togashi's hobbies and likes... it was qouted from him on an interview... greed island is nothing like dragon quest.
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netero is strong but at the middle of the ant arc, netero already mention that he is no longer world no 1 nen user nor his strength near his prime, dun forget he is age 100+ , the king@meruem will die later at komugi arm while playing gungi before he succumb to the bomb radiation@poison
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On May 30 2014 11:23 BLinD-RawR wrote: gungi not shogi.
ok sorry noted~ :D
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they mention poison, but that's just the description the ants use to describe what happened, because they didn't know about the science behind a nuclear weapon and how radioactive particles destroys cells when exposed to it.
Like I said before, the King was dead as soon as he left the palace away from all the hostages. Even if he goes all out to kill netero without hesitation from the very beginning and instagib the shit out of netero within a milisecond of the fight he would still be dead thanks to the miniature rose neclear weapon.
Now let's look at this from netero's point of view. As soon as he see the king with his own eyes for the first time, he knows the difference in strength, and he knows there is no way he can defeat the king with the vest difference in strength. The king even tell him that he doesn't look like someone who can judge the strength difference,so why fight when the difference is this huge? What netero really did was a set up using himself as bait. He use psychology to trap the king into fighting him and not run away from him. He knows the king is smart from their conversation, which means logically (with their strength known to each other) the king would become highly suspicious when the landing spot where they choose to fight has no ambush waiting for him there. The king would think this guy so much weaker than me must have something that will be able to deal with me. and at this point Netero had to do everything in his power to convince the king that that something is netero's skill in nen, and he need to show confidence in his own skills to trap the king in one on one combat with their pride on the line. The king could easily said you are not worthy of a serious fight and just left and the whole plan would had been for nothing.
That's why at the end when the neclear weapon went off, the king said to himself that he thought he had netero checkmate, but in reality he had already been checkmated as soon as he left the palace.
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On May 30 2014 22:41 rei wrote: they mention poison, but that's just the description the ants use to describe what happened, because they didn't know about the science behind a nuclear weapon and how radioactive particles destroys cells when exposed to it.
Like I said before, the King was dead as soon as he left the palace away from all the hostages. Even if he goes all out to kill netero without hesitation from the very beginning and instagib the shit out of netero within a milisecond of the fight he would still be dead thanks to the miniature rose neclear weapon.
Now let's look at this from netero's point of view. As soon as he see the king with his own eyes for the first time, he knows the difference in strength, and he knows there is no way he can defeat the king with the vest difference in strength. The king even tell him that he doesn't look like someone who can judge the strength difference,so why fight when the difference is this huge? What netero really did was a set up using himself as bait. He use psychology to trap the king into fighting him and not run away from him. He knows the king is smart from their conversation, which means logically (with their strength known to each other) the king would become highly suspicious when the landing spot where they choose to fight has no ambush waiting for him there. The king would think this guy so much weaker than me must have something that will be able to deal with me. and at this point Netero had to do everything in his power to convince the king that that something is netero's skill in nen, and he need to show confidence in his own skills to trap the king in one on one combat with their pride on the line. The king could easily said you are not worthy of a serious fight and just left and the whole plan would had been for nothing.
That's why at the end when the neclear weapon went off, the king said to himself that he thought he had netero checkmate, but in reality he had already been checkmated as soon as he left the palace. based on the kings personality he would never have refused a one on one or ran away from Netero though no matter what he just had too much pride
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In the same time it is also that very same pride that prevented him from fighting netero in equal footing. They both knew how the fight was ganna end before it started, and for the king to fight Netero would be like taking candy from a little kid. Netero had to talk the king into fighting him by using his name as lure. The king was prepared to just sit there and let netero beat on his ass till netero tires out and then walk out of there. "the only thing you can exchange with me is words" the king said that after netero started attacking. the king's pride won't allow him to pick on the weak.
After talking to the king, netero also realize this about the king, and if the king doesn't fight, he couldn't have done anything to the king with his own power. And he has no confident that miniature rose would kill the king if the king is not caught up in momentary false sense of security after a satisfying victory.
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On May 31 2014 02:37 rei wrote: In the same time it is also that very same pride that prevented him from fighting netero in equal footing. They both knew how the fight was ganna end before it started, and for the king to fight Netero would be like taking candy from a little kid. Netero had to talk the king into fighting him by using his name as lure. The king was prepared to just sit there and let netero beat on his ass till netero tires out and then walk out of there. "the only thing you can exchange with me is words" the king said that after netero started attacking. the king's pride won't allow him to pick on the weak.
After talking to the king, netero also realize this about the king, and if the king doesn't fight, he couldn't have done anything to the king with his own power. And he has no confident that miniature rose would kill the king if the king is not caught up in momentary false sense of security after a satisfying victory. Netero said it in the latest chapter, that he cared about strength that has victors and losers which is why he never stayed in the new world because the biggest enemy is the weather that there is no victory over
he wanted to lose to the king first, Netero wanted the satisfaction of the fight and to go all out against someone one last time he didnt want to just walk up to the king and explode the bomb (which would have killed the King no doubt)
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On May 31 2014 12:14 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:37 rei wrote: In the same time it is also that very same pride that prevented him from fighting netero in equal footing. They both knew how the fight was ganna end before it started, and for the king to fight Netero would be like taking candy from a little kid. Netero had to talk the king into fighting him by using his name as lure. The king was prepared to just sit there and let netero beat on his ass till netero tires out and then walk out of there. "the only thing you can exchange with me is words" the king said that after netero started attacking. the king's pride won't allow him to pick on the weak.
After talking to the king, netero also realize this about the king, and if the king doesn't fight, he couldn't have done anything to the king with his own power. And he has no confident that miniature rose would kill the king if the king is not caught up in momentary false sense of security after a satisfying victory. Netero said it in the latest chapter, that he cared about strength that has victors and losers which is why he never stayed in the new world because the biggest enemy is the weather that there is no victory over he wanted to lose to the king first, Netero wanted the satisfaction of the fight and to go all out against someone one last time he didnt want to just walk up to the king and explode the bomb (which would have killed the King no doubt)
So we go back to, then what the hell is wrong with how Togashi did the story? You are not making sense.
We all knew the king was too strong. Too strong at least for anyone within the arc to be considered a real threat fighting wise.
We knew Netero wanted to go all out and saw how futile it was/will be. The Rose bomb was the only way for Netero to surely fulfill his obligation as a last resort.
He still used his trump card first (Zero) before resorting to the rose. At least he gave it his all but it was still for naught. And since he was the only one with the opportunity to defeat or incapacitate the king, he made the call, which for me made sense in terms of his responsiblity to the world as we know it in HxH.
Since you have complaints with how the story went, how "should" have it gone in your eyes really? Gon's dad suddenly coming into the picture? How would that work plot wise? The way the story went was the one that made the most sense. And it wasn't a deus ex machina wherein the villain just lost and the heroes won. We lost Netero for Christ's sake. There is no dragon ball wishing shenanigans that is gonna happen here where Netero just pop back up again as we all saw him stop his own heart.
The closest we have to a deus ex machina is Alluka but that also served a significant purpose which was not related to a villain but allowed the story to get back on track at least.
On another note, I am curious whether Netero has used Zero in battle before and against whom. I don't think it was used against the Zoldycks so it just peaks my interest when this technique was used and against whom if any.
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On May 31 2014 17:16 17Sphynx17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 12:14 Forikorder wrote:On May 31 2014 02:37 rei wrote: In the same time it is also that very same pride that prevented him from fighting netero in equal footing. They both knew how the fight was ganna end before it started, and for the king to fight Netero would be like taking candy from a little kid. Netero had to talk the king into fighting him by using his name as lure. The king was prepared to just sit there and let netero beat on his ass till netero tires out and then walk out of there. "the only thing you can exchange with me is words" the king said that after netero started attacking. the king's pride won't allow him to pick on the weak.
After talking to the king, netero also realize this about the king, and if the king doesn't fight, he couldn't have done anything to the king with his own power. And he has no confident that miniature rose would kill the king if the king is not caught up in momentary false sense of security after a satisfying victory. Netero said it in the latest chapter, that he cared about strength that has victors and losers which is why he never stayed in the new world because the biggest enemy is the weather that there is no victory over he wanted to lose to the king first, Netero wanted the satisfaction of the fight and to go all out against someone one last time he didnt want to just walk up to the king and explode the bomb (which would have killed the King no doubt) So we go back to, then what the hell is wrong with how Togashi did the story? You are not making sense. We all knew the king was too strong. Too strong at least for anyone within the arc to be considered a real threat fighting wise. We knew Netero wanted to go all out and saw how futile it was/will be. The Rose bomb was the only way for Netero to surely fulfill his obligation as a last resort. He still used his trump card first (Zero) before resorting to the rose. At least he gave it his all but it was still for naught. And since he was the only one with the opportunity to defeat or incapacitate the king, he made the call, which for me made sense in terms of his responsiblity to the world as we know it in HxH. Since you have complaints with how the story went, how "should" have it gone in your eyes really? Gon's dad suddenly coming into the picture? How would that work plot wise? The way the story went was the one that made the most sense. And it wasn't a deus ex machina wherein the villain just lost and the heroes won. We lost Netero for Christ's sake. There is no dragon ball wishing shenanigans that is gonna happen here where Netero just pop back up again as we all saw him stop his own heart. The closest we have to a deus ex machina is Alluka but that also served a significant purpose which was not related to a villain but allowed the story to get back on track at least. On another note, I am curious whether Netero has used Zero in battle before and against whom. I don't think it was used against the Zoldycks so it just peaks my interest when this technique was used and against whom if any.
how about zeno's father.... isn't he was the only one alive to tell the tale he had a fight with him?
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I wonder if Alluka is related somehow to the 5 things that were brought back from the old expedition of the new world 100 years ago.
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On May 31 2014 17:16 17Sphynx17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 12:14 Forikorder wrote:On May 31 2014 02:37 rei wrote: In the same time it is also that very same pride that prevented him from fighting netero in equal footing. They both knew how the fight was ganna end before it started, and for the king to fight Netero would be like taking candy from a little kid. Netero had to talk the king into fighting him by using his name as lure. The king was prepared to just sit there and let netero beat on his ass till netero tires out and then walk out of there. "the only thing you can exchange with me is words" the king said that after netero started attacking. the king's pride won't allow him to pick on the weak.
After talking to the king, netero also realize this about the king, and if the king doesn't fight, he couldn't have done anything to the king with his own power. And he has no confident that miniature rose would kill the king if the king is not caught up in momentary false sense of security after a satisfying victory. Netero said it in the latest chapter, that he cared about strength that has victors and losers which is why he never stayed in the new world because the biggest enemy is the weather that there is no victory over he wanted to lose to the king first, Netero wanted the satisfaction of the fight and to go all out against someone one last time he didnt want to just walk up to the king and explode the bomb (which would have killed the King no doubt) So we go back to, then what the hell is wrong with how Togashi did the story? You are not making sense. We all knew the king was too strong. Too strong at least for anyone within the arc to be considered a real threat fighting wise. We knew Netero wanted to go all out and saw how futile it was/will be. The Rose bomb was the only way for Netero to surely fulfill his obligation as a last resort. He still used his trump card first (Zero) before resorting to the rose. At least he gave it his all but it was still for naught. And since he was the only one with the opportunity to defeat or incapacitate the king, he made the call, which for me made sense in terms of his responsiblity to the world as we know it in HxH. Since you have complaints with how the story went, how "should" have it gone in your eyes really? Gon's dad suddenly coming into the picture? How would that work plot wise? The way the story went was the one that made the most sense. And it wasn't a deus ex machina wherein the villain just lost and the heroes won. We lost Netero for Christ's sake. There is no dragon ball wishing shenanigans that is gonna happen here where Netero just pop back up again as we all saw him stop his own heart. The closest we have to a deus ex machina is Alluka but that also served a significant purpose which was not related to a villain but allowed the story to get back on track at least. On another note, I am curious whether Netero has used Zero in battle before and against whom. I don't think it was used against the Zoldycks so it just peaks my interest when this technique was used and against whom if any. the bomb we had no idea existed, that was born from science we had no idea was so advance, and killed a king noone could touch is a deus ex machina
Alluka was introduced a good time before actually solving the problem, power was well explained and was well within the rules weve seen of Nen
all im saying is its very unsatisfying for the king to get so hyped then have no real fight and just randomly die with his guards
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On May 31 2014 23:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 17:16 17Sphynx17 wrote:On May 31 2014 12:14 Forikorder wrote:On May 31 2014 02:37 rei wrote: In the same time it is also that very same pride that prevented him from fighting netero in equal footing. They both knew how the fight was ganna end before it started, and for the king to fight Netero would be like taking candy from a little kid. Netero had to talk the king into fighting him by using his name as lure. The king was prepared to just sit there and let netero beat on his ass till netero tires out and then walk out of there. "the only thing you can exchange with me is words" the king said that after netero started attacking. the king's pride won't allow him to pick on the weak.
After talking to the king, netero also realize this about the king, and if the king doesn't fight, he couldn't have done anything to the king with his own power. And he has no confident that miniature rose would kill the king if the king is not caught up in momentary false sense of security after a satisfying victory. Netero said it in the latest chapter, that he cared about strength that has victors and losers which is why he never stayed in the new world because the biggest enemy is the weather that there is no victory over he wanted to lose to the king first, Netero wanted the satisfaction of the fight and to go all out against someone one last time he didnt want to just walk up to the king and explode the bomb (which would have killed the King no doubt) So we go back to, then what the hell is wrong with how Togashi did the story? You are not making sense. We all knew the king was too strong. Too strong at least for anyone within the arc to be considered a real threat fighting wise. We knew Netero wanted to go all out and saw how futile it was/will be. The Rose bomb was the only way for Netero to surely fulfill his obligation as a last resort. He still used his trump card first (Zero) before resorting to the rose. At least he gave it his all but it was still for naught. And since he was the only one with the opportunity to defeat or incapacitate the king, he made the call, which for me made sense in terms of his responsiblity to the world as we know it in HxH. Since you have complaints with how the story went, how "should" have it gone in your eyes really? Gon's dad suddenly coming into the picture? How would that work plot wise? The way the story went was the one that made the most sense. And it wasn't a deus ex machina wherein the villain just lost and the heroes won. We lost Netero for Christ's sake. There is no dragon ball wishing shenanigans that is gonna happen here where Netero just pop back up again as we all saw him stop his own heart. The closest we have to a deus ex machina is Alluka but that also served a significant purpose which was not related to a villain but allowed the story to get back on track at least. On another note, I am curious whether Netero has used Zero in battle before and against whom. I don't think it was used against the Zoldycks so it just peaks my interest when this technique was used and against whom if any. the bomb we had no idea existed, that was born from science we had no idea was so advance, and killed a king noone could touch is a deus ex machina Alluka was introduced a good time before actually solving the problem, power was well explained and was well within the rules weve seen of Nen all im saying is its very unsatisfying for the king to get so hyped then have no real fight and just randomly die with his guards
on the other hand, i understand how you feel... even i wasn't expecting that... neverthless it adds to the unpredictability of togashi and i love that...
as for no one can fight the king, i beg to disagree... as far as im concerned, there are many nen users out there are stronger than netero... who knows.... gin, hisoka and the others...
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On May 31 2014 23:33 Forikorder wrote: all im saying is its very unsatisfying for the king to get so hyped then have no real fight and just randomly die with his guards
Togashi does that all the time... he gets u hyped, then he slaps u back to reality. Remember the exams (Gon gets knocked out and u never see the rest of the battles) or the Hisoka vs Chrollo fight (he cant use nen) etc.
Plus the komugi - king chapters were some of the best in the manga.. It's still satisfying
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On June 01 2014 00:32 Nayolbi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 23:33 Forikorder wrote: all im saying is its very unsatisfying for the king to get so hyped then have no real fight and just randomly die with his guards Togashi does that all the time... he gets u hyped, then he slaps u back to reality. Remember the exams (Gon gets knocked out and u never see the rest of the battles) or the Hisoka vs Chrollo fight (he cant use nen) etc. Plus the komugi - king chapters were some of the best in the manga.. It's still satisfying i wouldnt say those were really that hyped
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I agree. All i'm saying is he has done that numerous times, but i can't remember anything else right now that was really hyped up.
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