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On May 29 2014 07:46 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 03:31 SkelA wrote:
Ant arc is awful because? it was kinda long and ended really anticlimacticly and was rpetty boring and didnt really have much of anything happen the ending was just 'well we just used a bomb and it killed all of them" which is pretty lame considering the hype and all the hard work that went into the operation, should have jsut tossed it out of one of door mans doors then noone would ahve died what do you qualify as "much of anything happen"? There are so much deep psychological character development in the ant arc that you don't see from any other manga. And he brutally killed them after spending years of building them up. if they nuke him in the middle of the palace, all the civilian are ganna die along with it. Those civilians serves three purposes, food, new soldiers and hostages. Just because you are shallow and don't give much thought into what you read doesn't mean it's boring and anticlimactic for the rest of us.
remove Killuas character growth and all you have left is pointless boring death
and how they took out the ant king was so dumb he can completely outclass the strongest human yet a poison is enough to take him down?
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Wasn't he weakened by Netero to the point that a bomb would work? That's how I interpreted it at least...
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On May 29 2014 12:24 zeropoint wrote:
Wasn't he weakened by Netero to the point that a bomb would work? That's how I interpreted it at least...
Neteros attack didnt do anything, it was the bomb that killed him (his guards managed to revive him) but the poison from the bomb finished him off
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50749 Posts
On May 29 2014 12:06 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 07:46 rei wrote:On May 29 2014 03:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 03:31 SkelA wrote:
Ant arc is awful because? it was kinda long and ended really anticlimacticly and was rpetty boring and didnt really have much of anything happen the ending was just 'well we just used a bomb and it killed all of them" which is pretty lame considering the hype and all the hard work that went into the operation, should have jsut tossed it out of one of door mans doors then noone would ahve died what do you qualify as "much of anything happen"? There are so much deep psychological character development in the ant arc that you don't see from any other manga. And he brutally killed them after spending years of building them up. if they nuke him in the middle of the palace, all the civilian are ganna die along with it. Those civilians serves three purposes, food, new soldiers and hostages. Just because you are shallow and don't give much thought into what you read doesn't mean it's boring and anticlimactic for the rest of us. remove Killuas character growth and all you have left is pointless boring death and how they took out the ant king was so dumb he can completely outclass the strongest human yet a poison is enough to take him down?
what does physical strength have to do with being able to resist a deadly toxin?
yes it was anti climactic but its not nonsense.
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On May 29 2014 12:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:06 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 07:46 rei wrote:On May 29 2014 03:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 03:31 SkelA wrote:
Ant arc is awful because? it was kinda long and ended really anticlimacticly and was rpetty boring and didnt really have much of anything happen the ending was just 'well we just used a bomb and it killed all of them" which is pretty lame considering the hype and all the hard work that went into the operation, should have jsut tossed it out of one of door mans doors then noone would ahve died what do you qualify as "much of anything happen"? There are so much deep psychological character development in the ant arc that you don't see from any other manga. And he brutally killed them after spending years of building them up. if they nuke him in the middle of the palace, all the civilian are ganna die along with it. Those civilians serves three purposes, food, new soldiers and hostages. Just because you are shallow and don't give much thought into what you read doesn't mean it's boring and anticlimactic for the rest of us. remove Killuas character growth and all you have left is pointless boring death and how they took out the ant king was so dumb he can completely outclass the strongest human yet a poison is enough to take him down? what does physical strength have to do with being able to resist a deadly toxin? yes it was anti climactic but its not nonsense.
i dont care if it technically makes sense, for the biggest badest threat, who got hyped the entire arc as being this untouchable super god gets killed by poison after survivng the bomb it leaves a bad taste in my mouth
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50749 Posts
On May 29 2014 12:47 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 29 2014 12:06 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 07:46 rei wrote:On May 29 2014 03:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 03:31 SkelA wrote:
Ant arc is awful because? it was kinda long and ended really anticlimacticly and was rpetty boring and didnt really have much of anything happen the ending was just 'well we just used a bomb and it killed all of them" which is pretty lame considering the hype and all the hard work that went into the operation, should have jsut tossed it out of one of door mans doors then noone would ahve died what do you qualify as "much of anything happen"? There are so much deep psychological character development in the ant arc that you don't see from any other manga. And he brutally killed them after spending years of building them up. if they nuke him in the middle of the palace, all the civilian are ganna die along with it. Those civilians serves three purposes, food, new soldiers and hostages. Just because you are shallow and don't give much thought into what you read doesn't mean it's boring and anticlimactic for the rest of us. remove Killuas character growth and all you have left is pointless boring death and how they took out the ant king was so dumb he can completely outclass the strongest human yet a poison is enough to take him down? what does physical strength have to do with being able to resist a deadly toxin? yes it was anti climactic but its not nonsense. i dont care if it technically makes sense, for the biggest badest threat, who got hyped the entire arc as being this untouchable super god gets killed by poison after survivng the bomb it leaves a bad taste in my mouth
thats the point, he was an untouchable super god, if they had to kill him it would have to be using a poison, something that kills from the inside, any other way it would have been too damn ridiculous, you could have seen from the fight with the old man itslef how ridiculously one sided it was and gon's transformation(induced by rage which he did not have for the king but for pitou) was the only thing that came close to his strength and even that came at a price so big killua needed alluka's power to save him.
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On May 29 2014 12:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 12:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 29 2014 12:06 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 07:46 rei wrote:On May 29 2014 03:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 03:31 SkelA wrote:
Ant arc is awful because? it was kinda long and ended really anticlimacticly and was rpetty boring and didnt really have much of anything happen the ending was just 'well we just used a bomb and it killed all of them" which is pretty lame considering the hype and all the hard work that went into the operation, should have jsut tossed it out of one of door mans doors then noone would ahve died what do you qualify as "much of anything happen"? There are so much deep psychological character development in the ant arc that you don't see from any other manga. And he brutally killed them after spending years of building them up. if they nuke him in the middle of the palace, all the civilian are ganna die along with it. Those civilians serves three purposes, food, new soldiers and hostages. Just because you are shallow and don't give much thought into what you read doesn't mean it's boring and anticlimactic for the rest of us. remove Killuas character growth and all you have left is pointless boring death and how they took out the ant king was so dumb he can completely outclass the strongest human yet a poison is enough to take him down? what does physical strength have to do with being able to resist a deadly toxin? yes it was anti climactic but its not nonsense. i dont care if it technically makes sense, for the biggest badest threat, who got hyped the entire arc as being this untouchable super god gets killed by poison after survivng the bomb it leaves a bad taste in my mouth thats the point, he was an untouchable super god, if they had to kill him it would have to be using a poison, something that kills from the inside, any other way it would have been too damn ridiculous, you could have seen from the fight with the old man itslef how ridiculously one sided it was and gon's transformation(induced by rage which he did not have for the king but for pitou) was the only thing that came close to his strength and even that came at a price so big killua needed alluka's power to save him.
any arc that ends in a deus ex machina is a bad arc if your gonna make a bad guy that huge you have the responsibility of giving him a proper end
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50749 Posts
On May 29 2014 13:07 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 29 2014 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 12:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 29 2014 12:06 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 07:46 rei wrote:On May 29 2014 03:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 03:31 SkelA wrote:
Ant arc is awful because? it was kinda long and ended really anticlimacticly and was rpetty boring and didnt really have much of anything happen the ending was just 'well we just used a bomb and it killed all of them" which is pretty lame considering the hype and all the hard work that went into the operation, should have jsut tossed it out of one of door mans doors then noone would ahve died what do you qualify as "much of anything happen"? There are so much deep psychological character development in the ant arc that you don't see from any other manga. And he brutally killed them after spending years of building them up. if they nuke him in the middle of the palace, all the civilian are ganna die along with it. Those civilians serves three purposes, food, new soldiers and hostages. Just because you are shallow and don't give much thought into what you read doesn't mean it's boring and anticlimactic for the rest of us. remove Killuas character growth and all you have left is pointless boring death and how they took out the ant king was so dumb he can completely outclass the strongest human yet a poison is enough to take him down? what does physical strength have to do with being able to resist a deadly toxin? yes it was anti climactic but its not nonsense. i dont care if it technically makes sense, for the biggest badest threat, who got hyped the entire arc as being this untouchable super god gets killed by poison after survivng the bomb it leaves a bad taste in my mouth thats the point, he was an untouchable super god, if they had to kill him it would have to be using a poison, something that kills from the inside, any other way it would have been too damn ridiculous, you could have seen from the fight with the old man itslef how ridiculously one sided it was and gon's transformation(induced by rage which he did not have for the king but for pitou) was the only thing that came close to his strength and even that came at a price so big killua needed alluka's power to save him. any arc that ends in a deus ex machina is a bad arc if your gonna make a bad guy that huge you have the responsibility of giving him a proper end
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a proper end.
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the king was "dead" after the fight with netero...
netero weakened him (alhough it doesn't show) and the bomb finished him...
whether he was revived or not, it was very clear that the king was defeated by netero....
the thing that makes it boring and left a bad taste in your mouth forikorder is the "dramatic" ending of the king...
this isn't naruto... wtf!
the chimera arc was given a proper ending...
and was one the most creative arc in all of manga...
the only drawback for me here is the king notoriously look like dbz cell...
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 29 2014 13:07 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 29 2014 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 12:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 29 2014 12:06 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 07:46 rei wrote:On May 29 2014 03:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 03:31 SkelA wrote:
Ant arc is awful because? it was kinda long and ended really anticlimacticly and was rpetty boring and didnt really have much of anything happen the ending was just 'well we just used a bomb and it killed all of them" which is pretty lame considering the hype and all the hard work that went into the operation, should have jsut tossed it out of one of door mans doors then noone would ahve died what do you qualify as "much of anything happen"? There are so much deep psychological character development in the ant arc that you don't see from any other manga. And he brutally killed them after spending years of building them up. if they nuke him in the middle of the palace, all the civilian are ganna die along with it. Those civilians serves three purposes, food, new soldiers and hostages. Just because you are shallow and don't give much thought into what you read doesn't mean it's boring and anticlimactic for the rest of us. remove Killuas character growth and all you have left is pointless boring death and how they took out the ant king was so dumb he can completely outclass the strongest human yet a poison is enough to take him down? what does physical strength have to do with being able to resist a deadly toxin? yes it was anti climactic but its not nonsense. i dont care if it technically makes sense, for the biggest badest threat, who got hyped the entire arc as being this untouchable super god gets killed by poison after survivng the bomb it leaves a bad taste in my mouth thats the point, he was an untouchable super god, if they had to kill him it would have to be using a poison, something that kills from the inside, any other way it would have been too damn ridiculous, you could have seen from the fight with the old man itslef how ridiculously one sided it was and gon's transformation(induced by rage which he did not have for the king but for pitou) was the only thing that came close to his strength and even that came at a price so big killua needed alluka's power to save him. any arc that ends in a deus ex machina is a bad arc if your gonna make a bad guy that huge you have the responsibility of giving him a proper end
The bomb killing Meruem is completely in line with everything that has been established thus far in HxH. Nen users are many times (thousands, in the King's case) stronger than an ordinary human, but the power they possess still does not match the ultimate destructive power of a bomb like the Miniature Rose. This is not Dragonball, no one can blow up a planet with the flick of a wrist. I know a lot of people were dissatisfied with how Meruem's life was ultimately ended, but the bomb being what killed him in the end is not a deus ex machina. It is perfectly in line with HxH's unique approach to shonen, which I suppose some people are dissatisfied with. But for the entirety of the entirety of the CA arc, more or less, Togashi kept dropping subtle hints that foreshadowed the bomb's eventual usage.
HxH is not your average shonen manga. Togashi would not arbitrarly power up a character (Gon's transformation came at the cost of future Nen usage and his physical well-being, among other things) just so he could have a fight with Meruem to satisfy the readers. Netero's quote about mankind's malice epitomizes this: "You know nothing of mankind's limitless potential for malice". There was no human powerful enough to match Meruem, so they fucked him up with a nuke.
Meruem's death was not satisfying from a fight perspective, because that was the point.
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I really loved how they expanded on the Netero and Meruem fight, Pitou and Gon fight in the anime. I understood what happened in the manga but during that time, the art was just not getting delivered really.
With regards to King's death, I could actually deal with it because one of the strongest hunters in the world could only chip at him with their mightiest blows and it could only make Mereum flinch. It just goes to show of the "unknown" and higher potentials that could come from the "new world".
I am curious with the dialogue they used in the anime as I don't want to re-read the manga regarding Pitou and Gon's fight. In the anime, Pitou mentions that Gon's strength is that of the king after Gon's evolution through sacrifice. Was that an accurate statement from the manga? I would be curious if that is actually canon.
Really excited that HxH manga is back. Hopefully it can complete this current arc at least and not just suddenly stop in a cliffhanger. hehe!
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what i remember of the manga chapters was that Pitou say something that the potential of Gon was so much that he could have damaged the King, to say that his power would be the same, in my opinion is just a bad translation, i could be wrong though, going to re read those chapters
About the Chimera Ant, i think the end was really good, the point of using the bomb was to show the malice of humanity and how humans can create such terrible things. Also, Netero was one of the most powerful Nen users ( not the best) and he wasnt near the level of the king, so no human in HxH universe could have stopped him, so the only methof was to kill him ith our malice,
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the king was "dead" after the fight with netero...
netero weakened him (alhough it doesn't show) and the bomb finished him...
whether he was revived or not, it was very clear that the king was defeated by netero....
the thing that makes it boring and left a bad taste in your mouth forikorder is the "dramatic" ending of the king...
this isn't naruto... wtf!
the chimera arc was given a proper ending...
and was one the most creative arc in all of manga...
the only drawback for me here is the king notoriously look like dbz cell...
he wasnt defeated by Netero he owned Netero and got defeated by some never before mentioned bomb that is aparently stronger then the strongest human ever (much much stronger)
the bomb being what killed him in the end is not a deus ex machina
there was just no way at all to possibly think that it would happen and there was no other way to kill the king
Togashi kept dropping subtle hints that foreshadowed the bomb's eventual usage.
well i completely missed them
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The newest anime ep (131) is gon vs pitou for those interested, I thought it was pretty well done! Some good animation, but it was more tragic in the manga I feel.
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On May 30 2014 00:49 Warfie wrote:
The newest anime ep (131) is gon vs pitou for those interested, I thought it was pretty well done! Some good animation, but it was more tragic in the manga I feel.
as beening said, manga give the plot and rough pic, anime give detail of fight and effect 
anime > manga
anyday
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On May 30 2014 01:37 MoriyaGXP wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 00:49 Warfie wrote:
The newest anime ep (131) is gon vs pitou for those interested, I thought it was pretty well done! Some good animation, but it was more tragic in the manga I feel. as beening said, manga give the plot and rough pic, anime give detail of fight and effect anime > manga anyday
but the feeling of sadness when you read the manga was way better than the anime.
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Anime > Manga only counts for HxH because Togashi art is atrocious.
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On May 30 2014 01:47 SkelA wrote:
Anime > Manga only counts for HxH because Togashi art is atrocious.
sure Togashi might have been sick/lazy/whatever during drawing some of the Ant arc but the simplicity & almost sketch-like art is his trademark imo. Go watch Yu Yu Hakusho again if you know what I mean
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On May 29 2014 12:06 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 07:46 rei wrote:On May 29 2014 03:39 Forikorder wrote:On May 29 2014 03:31 SkelA wrote:
Ant arc is awful because? it was kinda long and ended really anticlimacticly and was rpetty boring and didnt really have much of anything happen the ending was just 'well we just used a bomb and it killed all of them" which is pretty lame considering the hype and all the hard work that went into the operation, should have jsut tossed it out of one of door mans doors then noone would ahve died what do you qualify as "much of anything happen"? There are so much deep psychological character development in the ant arc that you don't see from any other manga. And he brutally killed them after spending years of building them up. if they nuke him in the middle of the palace, all the civilian are ganna die along with it. Those civilians serves three purposes, food, new soldiers and hostages. Just because you are shallow and don't give much thought into what you read doesn't mean it's boring and anticlimactic for the rest of us. remove Killuas character growth and all you have left is pointless boring death and how they took out the ant king was so dumb he can completely outclass the strongest human yet a poison is enough to take him down?
HxH has shown multiple times that nen users no matter how strong, are not immune to poison and can't hold up to high level human warfare.
Uvogine gets paralyzed by the poison in his fight against the mafia special unit, Kuroro uses a poisoned knife against the Zoldig,etc.
In the same fight, Uvogine's Big Bang impact is said to be comparable in destructive power to a small missile and that he hopes to bring it to the level of a nuclear bomb (which he obviously can't).
The end of the arc was smart and coherent with the rest of the manga which is pretty refreshing after watching so many shonen turn into God V God battles.
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Again unless im mising something, in the anime the bomb has not killed him, he seems pretty alive 
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