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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4338 Posts
I get Rick is doing what's best for his group but he's a full on psychopath with a group of psychopaths. Morgan walked away from it as did that other black pony tail guy. Granted Neegan IS a psychopath as well but he's doing what's best for his group to survive. It's all fucked. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
Remember on the road with Daryl, Sasha and Abraham with the truck? Negan's guys on the bikes started that whole thing and it would've ended very badly if not for RPG Daryl. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Engelmann
26 Posts
On October 26 2016 05:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Nope. If one goes back through the series it's almost always Rick's group that kills/attacks another group first before taking over. OK so explain how Rick's group killed/attacked Negan's group first before taking over before the truck incident? | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4338 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
but then...they kept doing the same tension thing again and again and again, even when it was over it kept on going.... i just fast forwarded the 2nd half of the episode | ||
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brian
United States9633 Posts
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-IAEVAI-KolosS
Canada60 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2546 Posts
That said, brutal world requires brutal leaders to survive. Negan did nothing wrong. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
Without humans fighting each other this world is still paradise. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2546 Posts
On October 27 2016 03:05 Garbels wrote: But since the zombies are a no threat all that makes the world brutal is brutal leaders. Without humans fighting each other this world is still paradise. No, what makes the world brutal is the lack of resources and government. | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On October 27 2016 02:43 Hyperbola wrote: I like how zombies are so little of a threat in this show that it's basically a show about post apocalyptic society with zombies as a backdrop. well, uh, yeah. I thougt this was the whole purpose of the show | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
On October 27 2016 05:43 Hyperbola wrote: No, what makes the world brutal is the lack of resources and government. What resource is lacking? They have everything that they need once they stop killing each other. They still have fuel for cars. The animals aren't poisonous, the ground is fertile, the rain is not acid, the climate is fair not even the infrastructure is destroyed. Some are even able to survive while giving half of the food away. Brutal men make the world they have brutal. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2546 Posts
On October 27 2016 06:26 Garbels wrote: What resource is lacking? They have everything that they need once they stop killing each other. Except they don't. Have you been paying attention? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On October 26 2016 06:49 Engelmann wrote: OK so explain how Rick's group killed/attacked Negan's group first before taking over before the truck incident? They were held up by a contingent of bikers that belonged to Negan's group, then Daryl killed them. They then were led to Hilltop where Rick and Co killed one member and attacked others, while demanding if they attacked Negan's group once more they got half of Hilltop's supplies and a cow etc. They then wipe out a large group of Saviors at the Satellite array compound then kill another group of Saviors who after finding the first remains of the Bikers start to investigate who could have done it. Not even counting before all this happens Rick and Co contemplate killing members of Alexandria to take over because Rick thinks they are unprepared. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
On October 27 2016 06:39 Hyperbola wrote: Except they don't. Have you been paying attention? I know they don't. But not because they have to, like you said, but because some rather kill and enslave than play farmer. I guess its somewhat a chicken or egg kind of thing. But what I'm thinking is that the environment they live in in no way makes it necessary to act like Negan. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
On October 27 2016 07:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: They were held up by a contingent of bikers that belonged to Negan's group, then Daryl killed them. They then were led to Hilltop where Rick and Co killed one member and attacked others, while demanding if they attacked Negan's group once more they got half of Hilltop's supplies and a cow etc. They then wipe out a large group of Saviors at the Satellite array compound then kill another group of Saviors who after finding the first remains of the Bikers start to investigate who could have done it. Not even counting before all this happens Rick and Co contemplate killing members of Alexandria to take over because Rick thinks they are unprepared. All true save for that it was shown pretty clearly that if Daryl had not killed them, it would've ended very badly for the truck group. Most likely one or all of them would've been shot dead on the road. Daryl didn't really have a choice there. I would consider that to be the first move being made by Negan's group as the first thing they do when they encounter the truck group is to demand surrender and yield the truck or die. It might look like a first move by Negan's group as there were no survivors and they had no idea what happened to them until they captured Maggie and Carol. ("Ah hell, now we know what happened to T's group! Probably gave a big show and dance...") | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On October 27 2016 07:10 Garbels wrote: I know they don't. But not because they have to, like you said, but because some rather kill and enslave than play farmer. I guess its somewhat a chicken or egg kind of thing. But what I'm thinking is that the environment they live in in no way makes it necessary to act like Negan. I bet many people in here would join Negan's group cause the surviving justification. Thing is, you can say the same now, why do US spend sooo much shit on military, when we could just be farmers and keep the earth healthy/going? If group A spends all resources on the good stuff, while group B spends it on evil stuff, the evil group b can just loot all the product from group A, and simply enslave them. There is something really fucked up with the human thinking. What Negan did was brutally effective. Killing one just to show a point from the start and how he broke Rick was "amazing". This is what makes the show realistic imo. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2546 Posts
It's quite literally modern day feudalism. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It's crazy how much the show really wants to tease & re-tease Rick's arm getting cut off, or having some other major character get an armed cut off. On top of the Carl bit, they definitely tried to tease it a few other times in this episode alone. Show was fine, but + Show Spoiler + Glenn's death lost a lot of impact since they've teased him dieing so much over the past 2 seasons | ||
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