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On October 17 2015 16:59 Cynry wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 09:13 BlackMagister wrote:On October 17 2015 03:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On October 17 2015 03:03 Hyperbola wrote:
Why don't the characters just wear thick clothing that zombies can't bite through?
Because it would ruin the show that's why.
Letting those zombies out was a retarded idea in the first place. Roll over some cars or build a fence around that giant ditch and you will never have a zombie problem. You can even fill it up with water if you're really scared of zombies leaving. The thing will turn into mud and the zombies won't be able to swim up. More importantly why aren't the making shields, and looting police stations for Riot Gear etc. AMC that's why, the execs who to cut back costs prefer cheap make up jobs which are evident in the past episode. And if I remember someone said that the characters in the comics use shields. Another debate: Roman Legions vs Zombies on this show. Who wins? If the show had survivors take on walkers while being armed with shields and melee weapons it would just show how it ridiculous it was that soldiers armed with modern weaponry lost. Sure you can only kill a walker with by destroying it's head, but a group of walkers shot by a 50 caliber machine gun would be destroyed so much they wouldn't have anything left to attack with. Walkers don't even run or jump, they just shuffle fast sometimes and push in a disorganized mass. Even if the walkers started inside the base there should be no way for walkers to defeat armored vehicles except to wait till they have no fuel or food and the drivers had to get out. Yet they showed bases with machine guns having been overrun in S1 and it's why the Governor's men had to kill the soldiers in a previous season because they were too well armed. I'd suggest you read World War Z if you haven't. Some pretty good explanations of how that could happen in there. Basically, killing them isn't really the problem (although with explosives and bullet spray you tend to leave a lot of crawler), killing all of them before you run out of ammo is.
I have read and loved WWZ but there is no rational explenation of zombies dominating military. Seriously,what is stopping a tank from going up and down a road and mauling zombies all day long? How can they ever stop it? And we are not really talking about a single tank, every country has at least a few or a thousand.
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On October 26 2015 03:17 gsgfdf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 16:59 Cynry wrote:On October 17 2015 09:13 BlackMagister wrote:On October 17 2015 03:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On October 17 2015 03:03 Hyperbola wrote:
Why don't the characters just wear thick clothing that zombies can't bite through?
Because it would ruin the show that's why.
Letting those zombies out was a retarded idea in the first place. Roll over some cars or build a fence around that giant ditch and you will never have a zombie problem. You can even fill it up with water if you're really scared of zombies leaving. The thing will turn into mud and the zombies won't be able to swim up. More importantly why aren't the making shields, and looting police stations for Riot Gear etc. AMC that's why, the execs who to cut back costs prefer cheap make up jobs which are evident in the past episode. And if I remember someone said that the characters in the comics use shields. Another debate: Roman Legions vs Zombies on this show. Who wins? If the show had survivors take on walkers while being armed with shields and melee weapons it would just show how it ridiculous it was that soldiers armed with modern weaponry lost. Sure you can only kill a walker with by destroying it's head, but a group of walkers shot by a 50 caliber machine gun would be destroyed so much they wouldn't have anything left to attack with. Walkers don't even run or jump, they just shuffle fast sometimes and push in a disorganized mass. Even if the walkers started inside the base there should be no way for walkers to defeat armored vehicles except to wait till they have no fuel or food and the drivers had to get out. Yet they showed bases with machine guns having been overrun in S1 and it's why the Governor's men had to kill the soldiers in a previous season because they were too well armed. I'd suggest you read World War Z if you haven't. Some pretty good explanations of how that could happen in there. Basically, killing them isn't really the problem (although with explosives and bullet spray you tend to leave a lot of crawler), killing all of them before you run out of ammo is. I have read and loved WWZ but there is no rational explenation of zombies dominating military. Seriously,what is stopping a tank from going up and down a road and mauling zombies all day long? How can they ever stop it? And we are not really talking about a single tank, every country has at least a few or a thousand.
lol any idea what the typical operating range of a tank is?
An M1 Abrams has a range of ~250 miles with an ~500 gallon fuel tank. So you have about one day worth of using tanks before you have to refuel them with hundreds of gallons of fuel.
The biggest weakness in the presentation of the military in a zombie apocalypse is everyone forgets about artillery, not to mention tank guns would cut some nice holes in a zombie hoard.
But as far as tanks driving up and down or around a compound (the only remotely realistic option with considerations for refueling) you're talking about needing fuel by the tons in order to accomplish that.
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On October 26 2015 05:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 03:17 gsgfdf wrote:On October 17 2015 16:59 Cynry wrote:On October 17 2015 09:13 BlackMagister wrote:On October 17 2015 03:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On October 17 2015 03:03 Hyperbola wrote:
Why don't the characters just wear thick clothing that zombies can't bite through?
Because it would ruin the show that's why.
Letting those zombies out was a retarded idea in the first place. Roll over some cars or build a fence around that giant ditch and you will never have a zombie problem. You can even fill it up with water if you're really scared of zombies leaving. The thing will turn into mud and the zombies won't be able to swim up. More importantly why aren't the making shields, and looting police stations for Riot Gear etc. AMC that's why, the execs who to cut back costs prefer cheap make up jobs which are evident in the past episode. And if I remember someone said that the characters in the comics use shields. Another debate: Roman Legions vs Zombies on this show. Who wins? If the show had survivors take on walkers while being armed with shields and melee weapons it would just show how it ridiculous it was that soldiers armed with modern weaponry lost. Sure you can only kill a walker with by destroying it's head, but a group of walkers shot by a 50 caliber machine gun would be destroyed so much they wouldn't have anything left to attack with. Walkers don't even run or jump, they just shuffle fast sometimes and push in a disorganized mass. Even if the walkers started inside the base there should be no way for walkers to defeat armored vehicles except to wait till they have no fuel or food and the drivers had to get out. Yet they showed bases with machine guns having been overrun in S1 and it's why the Governor's men had to kill the soldiers in a previous season because they were too well armed. I'd suggest you read World War Z if you haven't. Some pretty good explanations of how that could happen in there. Basically, killing them isn't really the problem (although with explosives and bullet spray you tend to leave a lot of crawler), killing all of them before you run out of ammo is. I have read and loved WWZ but there is no rational explenation of zombies dominating military. Seriously,what is stopping a tank from going up and down a road and mauling zombies all day long? How can they ever stop it? And we are not really talking about a single tank, every country has at least a few or a thousand. lol any idea what the typical operating range of a tank is? An M1 Abrams has a range of ~250 miles with an ~500 gallon fuel tank. So you have about one day worth of using tanks before you have to refuel them with hundreds of gallons of fuel. The biggest weakness in the presentation of the military in a zombie apocalypse is everyone forgets about artillery, not to mention tank guns would cut some nice holes in a zombie hoard. But as far as tanks driving up and down or around a compound (the only remotely realistic option with considerations for refueling) you're talking about needing fuel by the tons in order to accomplish that.
I pointed out tanks just mauling zombies to suggest how outgunned zombies are without even using bullets and rockets and planes and all that .. we have invented to kill each other. No need to break down a hyperbole argument, i understand it will take more than that.
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Okay given the obvious standard AMC/TWD writing technique
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They are eating Nicholas not Glenn and now Glenn will be disguised by the scent.
Hell even The Talking Dead knows the answer thus the poor acting trying to discuss the episode.
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On October 26 2015 11:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Okay given the obvious standard AMC/TWD writing technique + Show Spoiler +
They are eating Nicholas not Glenn and now Glenn will be disguised by the scent.
Hell even The Talking Dead knows the answer thus the poor acting trying to discuss the episode.
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Yeah it looked like they were pulling his intestines out where his shoulder should have been, so that's probably right.
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On October 26 2015 11:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Okay given the obvious standard AMC/TWD writing technique + Show Spoiler +
They are eating Nicholas not Glenn and now Glenn will be disguised by the scent.
Hell even The Talking Dead knows the answer thus the poor acting trying to discuss the episode.
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I will be somewhat upset if they werent deathflagging all episode on purpose just so they could be like "surprise"
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End of the episode was great. You could really feel the despair of Rick and all the desperation leading up to the moment. Morgan letting the guy with the gun get away ends up breaking the RV and fucking everyone over it seems.
I didn't like basically all the "just leave us behind" parts. Like, not only do you force the people to come with you (why the fuck couldn't you just hide them and come back later if the horde was moving?), but you fucking watch them scream in agony and die without ever trying to mercy kill them.
I mean, the guy on the fence was STILL ALIVE and being eaten in front of them, yet they just fucking leave. We get it, you can't save the guy, but you can at least put him out of his fucking misery.
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oops.
Yeah watching the guy get eaten by the fence seemed unnecessary to me also.
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+ Show Spoiler +Glenn better not be dead. I don't care if it's ridic, he needs to make it! If you need to kill off a major character, just get rid of Carl. He's been beyond necessary for ages now.
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I have watched all episodes from season 1 to 4. 5th season on netflix isn't released in my country.
One question about s4 ep6.
+ Show Spoiler +first appearence from Governeur at s4. He is very calm, careless and not afraid to zombies as usual but except in that episode. He looked very afraid at hospital (finding oxygen tanks for that old man). Why? Did I miss something before about that/any weakness from him? I havent watched 5th season so please dont spoil something about 5th season.
Walking Dead and Breaking Bad are the best series I have seen. All other very good series (dexter, daredevil, House of cards etc) very far away to them two. I am watching Fargo 1st season right now (very good start, true story that happened in Minnesota 2006).
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Moral of the show: leave the weak and injured behind.
These side characters did nothing but get in the way. Even Nicholas who was supposed to be on a redemption arc just shot himself in the end.
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Yeah after watching that part again, the color of the jacket and the position of the intestines coming out. It's Nicolas being eaten and now Glenn is covered in his guts. I'm guessing that changes his scent.
Using this technique would have saved them all.
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As moral I like : You cant affort to be weak(anymore).
Also fargo is, despite the insert, not a true story.
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On October 21 2015 19:47 crappen wrote:
Incredibly boring episode, just mindless action with that annoying negro who indirectly lets people die around him cause he can't decide. Only plus was carol cause she just cares.
This show is a lot of moral moral moral, the most boring stuff you can bring into a show. An inspiring purpose is lacking. Survival don't cut it.
User was warned for this post
how in the ever living fuck was this a goddamn warning and not a temp, anyone who can fluently use english like the dolt who posted this knows what they are doing calling a black person a negro come on
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On October 26 2015 23:20 Garbels wrote:
As moral I like : You cant affort to be weak(anymore).
Makes no sense. He didnt look weak before and after. Only in that hospital against ~10 zombies. My theory was that he is only afraid when ~100 zombies are in a house, but this isn't true (his fight vs Merlin before).
edit: I think killing such zombies are damn hard. You can only kill if you hit the brain. bombs dont work mostly, zombies dont need air or heart to live. smoke gas is useless, burning them can work but is very costly in term of time and I think this isn't a clever/useful thing.
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On October 26 2015 23:48 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 23:20 Garbels wrote:
As moral I like : You cant affort to be weak(anymore). Makes no sense. He didnt look weak before and after. Only in that hospital against ~10 zombies. My theory was that he is only afraid when ~100 zombies are in a house, but this isn't true (his fight vs Merlin before).
It's not about how many zombies, it's about a sense of desperation, that there's no way out. He can't think clearly under pressure, he only thinks about how fucked they are and that there's no way out. That's why he always takes the cowards way out every single time.
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On October 26 2015 23:01 Azza wrote:
Yeah after watching that part again, the color of the jacket and the position of the intestines coming out. It's Nicolas being eaten and now Glenn is covered in his guts. I'm guessing that changes his scent.
Using this technique would have saved them all.
fresh meat shouldnt work as a disguise, it doesnt makes sense. When they first did this technique, it was with putrid old zombies who probably smell like death. As hope as it pains me since it's my favorite character, i hope glenn is dead. We need to be afraid for them everytime they see a walker, not saying "meh, they're gonna kill any main character"
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man I was shocked at first but as soon as I saw the angle and stuff it was really obvious that he's going to make it back somehow and it's going to be annoying. it's going to be that you are inherently always infected, and brain death activates it/makes your blood scent change or something along those lines.
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My initial reaction was that he died.
And when I go back and look at it, I can only say that he should be dead.
When they start falling, Nicholas could have fallen over him but in the shot where Glen hits the ground, before the blood start spraying, you can clearly see that Nicholas is not lying on top of him.
When the blood comes it does look like it is coming from something lying on top of Glen but I assumed it was bag with fake blood and guts, filmed from an awkward angle.
I liked Glen but if he comes back from that I am gonna be disappointed.
But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back since he already done it once when he went through a bunch of walkers with riot gear and seemingly getting overwhelmed..
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I hadn't thought about Glenn living with the corpse entrails trick, but it does seem possible. Though my biggest annoyance even more than Nicholas killing himself (they could try jumping to a side fence) was the ninja walkers again. At the start of the episode the group is running they rest and talk then randomly pan to an Alexandrian being eaten by a walker. Was the dude hooked and eaten by a walker? Why was nobody with him and helping him when this was even before a group of walkers showed up?
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