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On March 20 2015 19:31 Conti wrote: Does anyone else think that it would be so much better if they would have switched the roles of Tyreese and the Pastor? Have the pastor get randomly bit by a zombie and let him have this great tragic moment about life and death and whatnot before he dies. That would've worked quite nicely, too. And then, have Tyreese come into Alexandria, finally have him feel truly at home and at ease, happy to make it into a proper, safe community.. only to overhear how Rick and the others are quite willing to fuck it all up again. And thus have him betray his own group. Given Tyreese's character, it would be completely plausible and believable that he would not want to be part of that, and we'd actually have a sympathetic, known character switching sides, making things far more interesting.
I actually loved that they didn't make the hulking black dude a wrecking ball and went the complete opposite way. He was always one of the more interesting characters to me.
someone mentioned it a few pages back but Carol's character arc is by far my favorite, probably followed by michonne. Early on in the series I remember reading in some places people bitching about shitty women characters (namely: rick's wife and blonde, who imo were written as awful humans, not because they're women). Now two of the biggest fucking gangsters on the show are women.
I do wish Maggie were more featured this season though.
Noah's death was bonkers, and I really like the second half of this season a lot more. It's been a lot better writing and pacing than in the past. Carol's reaction is entirely 100 plausible though. She knows the helplessness of being beaten, knows it's very hard to stop in civilized society much less here, and knows the end game with a situation like that. Rick basically took that as en excuse for his brain to validate killing that dude, since his penis had wanted to do that since they arrived.
My gut is they vote to exile rick, the crew opts to back him and leaves with him besides Michonne (which is gonna suck because I love her)
Yeah would've been better if Rick had just beaten him ferociously to an inch of his death instead of a close fight. Close fight with what, a wife-beating surgeon who has been living in peace for 2 years over a battle-worn throat-biting machete-wielding survivor who actually has training from his cop days. If anything, that surgeon should be a pussy when it comes to fighting because well.. wife beater and stuff. No clue why they made it a close fight because it makes zero sense.
The hollow tree bit was also quite bad. No way to escape should they get the walkers' attention.
Enjoyed it though. I like the foreshadowing with Daryl and the other guy finding the gruesome things the other group is doing to people and that stuff is happening in Alexandria. I hope that idiot who had Noah killed gets his very soon :x
eh just because you're a tool for abusing someone smaller than you doesn't mean you can't actually fight. The doctor also has a few inches on him. if anything I kind of like that that stayed away from doing the hero always kicks as trope.
but yeah I like most people hated Carl and his mopey female twin, and the hiding in the tree bit was silly. I echo your thoughts on wanting that guy responsible for Noah to get his in a very bad way. My money is on Glenn finally having enough with that (possibly as a departing thing when they get exiled it goes down). Maybe the real surprise twist is Maggie gets injured or kills and that what drives him to do what he should have done in the first place, and he starts getting more cutthroat like Rick.
I don't think the foreshadowing is as clear cut as people think. for one, how'd they get the W on the heads of people they exiled? Two, I think they're more apt to exile... the tying to a tree to have walkers get at them does not fit with what we are seeing thus far at least with Deanna. I think there's someone in the group who is doing some vigilante justice perhaps, or it's an outside party on the fringes.
Oh by 'the other group' I meant an outside party, not the weak ass Alexandrians
But I think you're really underestimating skill of fighting here. Just because a guy is big doesn't mean he can fight. Sure he could've done some amateur stuff before it all went down. Glenn easily manhandles one guy into submission with one move and Daryl almost killed that other pussy. Seeing that close of a fight between the most badass guy in the group (Rick, you know the one that once said 'they don't know who they're messing with' and bit out someone's throat) and a surgeon is very unrealistic. They're supposed to be the badass survivors. That guy should be scared shitless of Rick, he looks like a fucking psychopath when he's angry.
nah I know that a trained person will make up for that height difference quickly. I've got at least 6 inches on my uncle and I have no doubt he'd clown me haha. But the extra height and weight still gives you a built in advantage of some kind even with that in mind. Also just because the Alexandrians play it safe vs walkers doesn't mean they can't defend themselves physically in a fight vs a human. I definitely get what you are saying, but I also think it's entirely plausible that the guy's at least competent enough for it not to be 30 seconds of rick bashing his head in.
I also think it's certainly worth considering that Rick's motive here is getting laid under the guise of being an agent of the law, not defending his friends/family in a life of death situation. He's trying to force him to leave, not kill him,
I don't think it is unrealistic. Fighting of walkers is a skill that is not really translatable to martial arts. For all we know the surgeon could have done martial arts for years before the zombie apocalypse happened.
On March 20 2015 19:31 Conti wrote: Does anyone else think that it would be so much better if they would have switched the roles of Tyreese and the Pastor? Have the pastor get randomly bit by a zombie and let him have this great tragic moment about life and death and whatnot before he dies. That would've worked quite nicely, too. And then, have Tyreese come into Alexandria, finally have him feel truly at home and at ease, happy to make it into a proper, safe community.. only to overhear how Rick and the others are quite willing to fuck it all up again. And thus have him betray his own group. Given Tyreese's character, it would be completely plausible and believable that he would not want to be part of that, and we'd actually have a sympathetic, known character switching sides, making things far more interesting.
That would have been awful. Better for tyrese to die loyal than a traitor. They're already ruining sasha's character. I'm glad the writers didn't fuck up tyrese's character too.
Absolutely love Mishon! The whole Sasha flashback scene was seriously cool and that punch sounded like it literally broke either Rick's jaw or her hand haha.
I didn't like how michonne punched rick and interrupted rick's truth speech. You all think rick's going crazy when he's perfectly sane still and hasn't gone the way of shane yet. It's deanna's group that is insane pretending like everything is ok in their fantasy community hiding from the truth and reality. They need a wakeup call from Rick!
Plus, why are people getting mad at rick for beating up a wife beater? Dude had it coming to him and he swung first! Just because Rick wants to get in jesse's pants doesn't mean his actions aren't just. Deanna let the wife beater go with 0 consequences. She's the bad guy here, not Rick.
Doing the wrong things for the right reason doesn't mean you're not doing the wrong thing.
Just because you can justify him beating the doctor up doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Either they try to build a normal society with actual, reasonable rules or they continue being nomadic brutes where their only concern is staying alive and never bother with doing what's right.
Except it wasn't the wrong thing to do. Letting the doctor continue to beat up his wife is the wrong thing to do. A normal society you say? A normal society doesn't willingly let a wife beater go without any consequences. Deanna's sense of justice when it comes to wife beaters is worse than the NFL!
It was pretty clear to me that Rick wasn't being rational at all. He couldn't control himself and handled whole situation very poorly. It all happened not because he wants to keep Alexandria or his group safe, he just wants to sleep with that blonde.
It doesn't matter if he wants to sleep with jesse. Carol is the one who told Rick to kill Pete in the first place. Does she want to sleep with jesse? No. She just knows jesse could end up dead if she stays with pete, which is something deanna doesn't care about. How did rick handle it poorly? He didn't want to fight pete. He told pete they both needed to leave. Pete is the one that went into a fighting rage and swung first. What do you expect Rick to do at that point? Not fight back?
I'm hoping the priest dies and no one else from the group, except maybe sasha if one has to go. There's been enough killing this season! How much more blood do those butchers (writers) want?! Is anyone else annoyed we got a glimpse of morgan at the start of the season and then nothing and it's the season finale now?! Talk about a bait and switch. Guess they need to kill off one more black character before he can have a more prominent role!
On March 24 2015 02:25 Canucklehead wrote: I didn't like how michonne punched rick and interrupted rick's truth speech. You all think rick's going crazy when he's perfectly sane still and hasn't gone the way of shane yet. It's deanna's group that is insane pretending like everything is ok in their fantasy community hiding from the truth and reality. They need a wakeup call from Rick!
Plus, why are people getting mad at rick for beating up a wife beater? Dude had it coming to him and he swung first! Just because Rick wants to get in jesse's pants doesn't mean his actions aren't just. Deanna let the wife beater go with 0 consequences. She's the bad guy here, not Rick.
Michonne and Glenn realizes that they were saved from starvation and no matter how fucking stupid Alexandrias rules are they still have to behave because they are guests. Rick fucked that up by being a shitty sheriff who cant even arrest a surgeon and then he started waving his gun around like a lunatic. Good job Rick, inevitable hostile take over coming up in the finale.
On March 24 2015 03:22 Canucklehead wrote: How did rick handle it poorly?
He hit his son in the face, pulled out a gun he wasn't supposed to have and pointed it at unarmed people inside the walls, then publicly said that he doesn't give a shit about Deanna's leadership and called everyone stupid (you don't do that even if you're right). Some posters also said that as an experienced cop, Rick should be able to deal with Pete without making such a mess but that's a bit questionable so I won't blame him for that. In the end he still lost his temper and made a fool of himself, not only failing as a constable but also revealing to everyone that he stole a gun and doesn't feel like a part of the community. In previous scene Rick said that he wouldn't do it for somebody else, so even he understood that something is wrong but he just couldn't stop himself. I am not saying that he should ignore the problem. I am saying that he chose to deal with it in a wrong way.
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