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On March 24 2015 04:49 Sent. wrote:He hit his son in the face, pulled out a gun he wasn't supposed to have and pointed it at unarmed people inside the walls, then publicly said that he doesn't give a shit about Deanna's leadership and called everyone stupid (you don't do that even if you're right). Some posters also said that as an experienced cop, Rick should be able to deal with Pete without making such a mess but that's a bit questionable so I won't blame him for that. In the end he still lost his temper and made a fool of himself, not only failing as a constable but also revealing to everyone that he stole a gun and doesn't feel like a part of the community. In previous scene Rick said that he wouldn't do it for somebody else, so even he understood that something is wrong but he just couldn't stop himself. I am not saying that he should ignore the problem. I am saying that he chose to deal with it in a wrong way.
Yup I agree with this, and that seems to be his group's thinking too. Carol has her own (entirely justifyiable logic) too
basically the whole theme for this arc is this
On March 24 2015 02:55 Aldehyde wrote:
Doing the wrong things for the right reason doesn't mean you're not doing the wrong thing.
On March 24 2015 03:41 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 03:26 SkelA wrote:
So guys who do you think will die from the group ?
They are always doing important death in the end so im guessing Carol and Tara probably too. If Carol or Mishonqua die, I'm going to stop watching the show. The last seconds of this episode were so cool.
if you're gonna toss around stupid casual racism at least try to be original or funny dude
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Rick never seemed overly interested in actually being a cop though. If he actually cared about being a cop he would have said yes to if he would help the wife if she was someone else, because someone beating their wife is still wrong and needs to be dealt with.
I'm not sure how I feel about all the going crazy again things though. I can see Rick not wanting to follow their ways, but why is he such an unstable mess still?
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On March 24 2015 03:30 Canucklehead wrote:
I'm hoping the priest dies and no one else from the group, except maybe sasha if one has to go. !
Speaking of the priest, does the actor only have a part time job or what is going on?
Feels like the priest is supposed to be travelling and now living with them but you barely see him.
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I would imagine the shit that he's gone through would fuck you up real good. I think him taking on the cop role was to make everyone on both sides at ease thinking he was trying to assimilate, but he was really using it as a way to just keep an eye to see if it was another Terminus.
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Yeah wtf, Rick's been this badass survivor/killer in the wild for however long, yet is getting owned by some nerdy doctor?
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Show is always at its best when its stopped in some place for a longer time.
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This show is really starting to piss me off. I know that many people disagree with my criticism and whatnot, and I love the show for the most part, but they do some really stupid shit with it and it sometimes feels cheap. Some episodes are great, I think episodes 12 and 13 of this season were good. But now they're manufacturing drama, and really cheaply at that.
Rick's group stumbles upon a bunch of dumb casuals who behave weirdly and the little old lady gets suspicious at the first sight of trouble even before her son died, and at first most of her reason to get suspicious is that weird, mentally-unstable looking priest who tells her stuff she should already realistically know.
Also it seems like the scarcity of ammunition is not even a thing. And everyone has 3-4 brands of PTSD. Also "I can fix this guy who hits me" come on, really? Anyway it got better at the end of the episode so I'll standby and it'll probably get better in the finale or sometime next season. I'll say this show is a bit of a rollercoaster in terms of quality IMO.
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these alexandrians have a massive case of dunning-kruger
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When Rick was giving the speech, I was almost hoping that Nicholas(?) would pull out the gun and shoot him. I think he's going crazy and he needs to die. I would have been very pleasantly surprised if the writers had the balls to pull that trigger. Though I suppose when the "W" people show up, it'll prove that Rick was rightfully crazy/paranoid all along.
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On March 24 2015 08:48 Djzapz wrote:
This show is really starting to piss me off. I know that many people disagree with my criticism and whatnot, and I love the show for the most part, but they do some really stupid shit with it and it sometimes feels cheap. Some episodes are great, I think episodes 12 and 13 of this season were good. But now they're manufacturing drama, and really cheaply at that.
Rick's group stumbles upon a bunch of dumb casuals who behave weirdly and the little old lady gets suspicious at the first sight of trouble even before her son died, and at first most of her reason to get suspicious is that weird, mentally-unstable looking priest who tells her stuff she should already realistically know.
Also it seems like the scarcity of ammunition is not even a thing. And everyone has 3-4 brands of PTSD. Also "I can fix this guy who hits me" come on, really? Anyway it got better at the end of the episode so I'll standby and it'll probably get better in the finale or sometime next season. I'll say this show is a bit of a rollercoaster in terms of quality IMO.
The show has a history of manufacturing drama and making people who have lived years in this situation suddenly get really stupid just to move the story along. But I really don't feel the last few episodes have that at all.
The PTSD shit is entirely 100% understandable, so is the domestic abuse thing (go read about the weird way people react to that stuff). Personally I think that she's been uneasy the whole time, but recognizes the benefit and was willing to try something because they recognized the need for Rick's group. It's the same logic that results in them tolerating a serial abuser just because he provides a benefit in the community.
I definitely agree that it can be a rollercoaster, but I feel this is the best it's been in a while imo
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On March 24 2015 09:08 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 08:48 Djzapz wrote:
This show is really starting to piss me off. I know that many people disagree with my criticism and whatnot, and I love the show for the most part, but they do some really stupid shit with it and it sometimes feels cheap. Some episodes are great, I think episodes 12 and 13 of this season were good. But now they're manufacturing drama, and really cheaply at that.
Rick's group stumbles upon a bunch of dumb casuals who behave weirdly and the little old lady gets suspicious at the first sight of trouble even before her son died, and at first most of her reason to get suspicious is that weird, mentally-unstable looking priest who tells her stuff she should already realistically know.
Also it seems like the scarcity of ammunition is not even a thing. And everyone has 3-4 brands of PTSD. Also "I can fix this guy who hits me" come on, really? Anyway it got better at the end of the episode so I'll standby and it'll probably get better in the finale or sometime next season. I'll say this show is a bit of a rollercoaster in terms of quality IMO. I definitely agree that it can be a rollercoaster, but I feel this is the best it's been in a while imo
I've been predicting a lot of the things that are happening except the last 5 seconds of the latest episode. The reason why I feel like they're manufacturing drama even now is that in the span of the last 3 or 4 episodes it has been super clear what they've been trying to do. It's taking a different spin than what I thought because of the last 5 seconds of the latest episode like I said, but there are many things that happen that don't feel believable at all to me.
They have a lot of instant action moments too. Like I said, I'm not ready to give up on the show at all yet, but I find it disappointing.
Also about the domestic abuse thing, it just felt like a lever to get the action to move forward. I'm not saying that wasn't believable, but it felt a bit cheap and forced.
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On March 24 2015 09:15 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 09:08 QuanticHawk wrote:On March 24 2015 08:48 Djzapz wrote:
This show is really starting to piss me off. I know that many people disagree with my criticism and whatnot, and I love the show for the most part, but they do some really stupid shit with it and it sometimes feels cheap. Some episodes are great, I think episodes 12 and 13 of this season were good. But now they're manufacturing drama, and really cheaply at that.
Rick's group stumbles upon a bunch of dumb casuals who behave weirdly and the little old lady gets suspicious at the first sight of trouble even before her son died, and at first most of her reason to get suspicious is that weird, mentally-unstable looking priest who tells her stuff she should already realistically know.
Also it seems like the scarcity of ammunition is not even a thing. And everyone has 3-4 brands of PTSD. Also "I can fix this guy who hits me" come on, really? Anyway it got better at the end of the episode so I'll standby and it'll probably get better in the finale or sometime next season. I'll say this show is a bit of a rollercoaster in terms of quality IMO. I definitely agree that it can be a rollercoaster, but I feel this is the best it's been in a while imo I've been predicting a lot of the things that are happening except the last 5 seconds of the latest episode. The reason why I feel like they're manufacturing drama even now is that in the span of the last 3 or 4 episodes it has been super clear what they've been trying to do. It's taking a different spin than what I thought because of the last 5 seconds of the latest episode like I said, but there are many things that happen that don't feel believable at all to me. They have a lot of instant action moments too. Like I said, I'm not ready to give up on the show at all yet, but I find it disappointing. Also about the domestic abuse thing, it just felt like a lever to get the action to move forward. I'm not saying that wasn't believable, but it felt a bit cheap and forced.
eh, normally I would agree, but that specific example had been building organically for a few episodes. Forced action is like how Tyrese died. Even if you're a pacificst like he was, that's amazing stupidity considering he's lived in that world for years. Noah's wasn't as bad, but running into the revolving door was pretty stupid. But running from a horde it is a bit more understandable than 'Oh I always check houses before relaxing... BUT NOT HIS TIME *becomes zombie snack*'
I don't think being able to predict what is happening is always a bad thing. Same way that surprises can be good or bad in a story depending how it is used.
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On March 24 2015 09:37 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 09:15 Djzapz wrote:On March 24 2015 09:08 QuanticHawk wrote:On March 24 2015 08:48 Djzapz wrote:
This show is really starting to piss me off. I know that many people disagree with my criticism and whatnot, and I love the show for the most part, but they do some really stupid shit with it and it sometimes feels cheap. Some episodes are great, I think episodes 12 and 13 of this season were good. But now they're manufacturing drama, and really cheaply at that.
Rick's group stumbles upon a bunch of dumb casuals who behave weirdly and the little old lady gets suspicious at the first sight of trouble even before her son died, and at first most of her reason to get suspicious is that weird, mentally-unstable looking priest who tells her stuff she should already realistically know.
Also it seems like the scarcity of ammunition is not even a thing. And everyone has 3-4 brands of PTSD. Also "I can fix this guy who hits me" come on, really? Anyway it got better at the end of the episode so I'll standby and it'll probably get better in the finale or sometime next season. I'll say this show is a bit of a rollercoaster in terms of quality IMO. I definitely agree that it can be a rollercoaster, but I feel this is the best it's been in a while imo I've been predicting a lot of the things that are happening except the last 5 seconds of the latest episode. The reason why I feel like they're manufacturing drama even now is that in the span of the last 3 or 4 episodes it has been super clear what they've been trying to do. It's taking a different spin than what I thought because of the last 5 seconds of the latest episode like I said, but there are many things that happen that don't feel believable at all to me. They have a lot of instant action moments too. Like I said, I'm not ready to give up on the show at all yet, but I find it disappointing. Also about the domestic abuse thing, it just felt like a lever to get the action to move forward. I'm not saying that wasn't believable, but it felt a bit cheap and forced. eh, normally I would agree, but that specific example had been building organically for a few episodes. Forced action is like how Tyrese died. Even if you're a pacificst like he was, that's amazing stupidity considering he's lived in that world for years. Noah's wasn't as bad, but running into the revolving door was pretty stupid. But running from a horde it is a bit more understandable than 'Oh I always check houses before relaxing... BUT NOT HIS TIME *becomes zombie snack*' I don't think being able to predict what is happening is always a bad thing. Same way that surprises can be good or bad in a story depending how it is used.
Being able to predict is not bad but in my head it was always "oh that again"
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On March 24 2015 03:09 Canucklehead wrote:
Except it wasn't the wrong thing to do. Letting the doctor continue to beat up his wife is the wrong thing to do. A normal society you say? A normal society doesn't willingly let a wife beater go without any consequences. Deanna's sense of justice when it comes to wife beaters is worse than the NFL!
You don't let the doctor keep doing that, but what the other poster means is that you need to stop the doctor in a civilized way instead of just beating him to a pulp.
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On March 24 2015 09:42 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 09:37 QuanticHawk wrote:On March 24 2015 09:15 Djzapz wrote:On March 24 2015 09:08 QuanticHawk wrote:On March 24 2015 08:48 Djzapz wrote:
This show is really starting to piss me off. I know that many people disagree with my criticism and whatnot, and I love the show for the most part, but they do some really stupid shit with it and it sometimes feels cheap. Some episodes are great, I think episodes 12 and 13 of this season were good. But now they're manufacturing drama, and really cheaply at that.
Rick's group stumbles upon a bunch of dumb casuals who behave weirdly and the little old lady gets suspicious at the first sight of trouble even before her son died, and at first most of her reason to get suspicious is that weird, mentally-unstable looking priest who tells her stuff she should already realistically know.
Also it seems like the scarcity of ammunition is not even a thing. And everyone has 3-4 brands of PTSD. Also "I can fix this guy who hits me" come on, really? Anyway it got better at the end of the episode so I'll standby and it'll probably get better in the finale or sometime next season. I'll say this show is a bit of a rollercoaster in terms of quality IMO. I definitely agree that it can be a rollercoaster, but I feel this is the best it's been in a while imo I've been predicting a lot of the things that are happening except the last 5 seconds of the latest episode. The reason why I feel like they're manufacturing drama even now is that in the span of the last 3 or 4 episodes it has been super clear what they've been trying to do. It's taking a different spin than what I thought because of the last 5 seconds of the latest episode like I said, but there are many things that happen that don't feel believable at all to me. They have a lot of instant action moments too. Like I said, I'm not ready to give up on the show at all yet, but I find it disappointing. Also about the domestic abuse thing, it just felt like a lever to get the action to move forward. I'm not saying that wasn't believable, but it felt a bit cheap and forced. eh, normally I would agree, but that specific example had been building organically for a few episodes. Forced action is like how Tyrese died. Even if you're a pacificst like he was, that's amazing stupidity considering he's lived in that world for years. Noah's wasn't as bad, but running into the revolving door was pretty stupid. But running from a horde it is a bit more understandable than 'Oh I always check houses before relaxing... BUT NOT HIS TIME *becomes zombie snack*' I don't think being able to predict what is happening is always a bad thing. Same way that surprises can be good or bad in a story depending how it is used. Being able to predict is not bad but in my head it was always "oh that again"
Yeah this is how I felt when they arrived at Terminus. I'm glad that this group is more morally ambiguous. And in a way, Rick's group is reflecting that more, which is what makes this interesting. If they were still in the prison, and the one and only doctor in their little world was smacking around his wife, is he so ready to kill him? What about if judith were sick, how much would he tolerate that?
That's what's intersting. Rick's all about doing what they need to do to survive. It's something they've repeated throughout the whole series.
What he did--beat up the dude to essentially steal his wife-- is not necessary. Getting laid is a luxury in this world! Doctors are needed for survival. So obviously in our world this is a pretty clear cut situation. When you're faced with exiling/killing the one and only person who can save people, is the answer so clear, or does it become a necessary evil that you have to tolerate?
Their world makes them have to make choices like some cut throat business. Is the happiness of a housewife and kid more valuable than the life of a surgeon?
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I don't deny that the show poses interesting questions of ethics as well as survival dilemmas but the packaging could be a bit more elegant.
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On March 24 2015 09:08 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 08:48 Djzapz wrote:
This show is really starting to piss me off. I know that many people disagree with my criticism and whatnot, and I love the show for the most part, but they do some really stupid shit with it and it sometimes feels cheap. Some episodes are great, I think episodes 12 and 13 of this season were good. But now they're manufacturing drama, and really cheaply at that.
Rick's group stumbles upon a bunch of dumb casuals who behave weirdly and the little old lady gets suspicious at the first sight of trouble even before her son died, and at first most of her reason to get suspicious is that weird, mentally-unstable looking priest who tells her stuff she should already realistically know.
Also it seems like the scarcity of ammunition is not even a thing. And everyone has 3-4 brands of PTSD. Also "I can fix this guy who hits me" come on, really? Anyway it got better at the end of the episode so I'll standby and it'll probably get better in the finale or sometime next season. I'll say this show is a bit of a rollercoaster in terms of quality IMO. The show has a history of manufacturing drama and making people who have lived years in this situation suddenly get really stupid just to move the story along. But I really don't feel the last few episodes have that at all. The PTSD shit is entirely 100% understandable, so is the domestic abuse thing (go read about the weird way people react to that stuff). Personally I think that she's been uneasy the whole time, but recognizes the benefit and was willing to try something because they recognized the need for Rick's group. It's the same logic that results in them tolerating a serial abuser just because he provides a benefit in the community. I definitely agree that it can be a rollercoaster, but I feel this is the best it's been in a while imo
Understandable sure, but why does it always have to be Rick? Glenn watched Noah get eaten alive in front of him, and he still was able to act rationally afterwards, even after clearly being in a bad place only a few episodes ago.
Rick just seems to be batshit crazy. It doesn't feel like he's lost his way or anything anymore, it just seems like he's a crazy fucker, which is a rather annoying trait for the main character to have.
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My quick prediction:
Ricks going to get exiled while darryl and ranger guy find out about the "W" people. Group realizes rick wasnt so crazy after all and they need him to prepare for a fight against "W".
Comic readers: Can you spoil me about the "W" please? 
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On March 24 2015 18:08 chroniX wrote:My quick prediction: Ricks going to get exiled while darryl and ranger guy find out about the "W" people. Group realizes rick wasnt so crazy after all and they need him to prepare for a fight against "W". Comic readers: Can you spoil me about the "W" please?
+ Show Spoiler +I don't read the comics (I just read up on it online sometime, spoiled pretty much everything for myself), but I'm quite sure they're a TV show only thing. Which means they might replace or be like a group from the comics. So it's still wait and find out (I think).
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On March 24 2015 10:20 parkufarku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 03:09 Canucklehead wrote:
Except it wasn't the wrong thing to do. Letting the doctor continue to beat up his wife is the wrong thing to do. A normal society you say? A normal society doesn't willingly let a wife beater go without any consequences. Deanna's sense of justice when it comes to wife beaters is worse than the NFL! You don't let the doctor keep doing that, but what the other poster means is that you need to stop the doctor in a civilized way instead of just beating him to a pulp.
I started watching The Walking Dead during season 4, so I may not even have a right to criticize it just yet, but my problem with this episode was the fact that Rick didn't even start the fight (to my recollection), nor did he "beat the doctor to a pulp". The doctor was the one being "batshit crazy" and Rick was only trying to help the abused wife. Yet Deanna, for some reason (bad writing), decided to immediately label Rick as the bad guy without even asking what had happened. If I were Rick I'd have been just as pissed off and called her stupid too (because she is).
It was especially frustrating because Rick was always seen as a total badass, yet he can barely hold his own against some wimpy doctor? Deanna's and Michonne's reaction would have been understandable if Rick had started the fight and actually beat the crap out of the doctor, but that's not what happened.
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