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On March 25 2015 02:48 Masheyoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 10:20 parkufarku wrote:On March 24 2015 03:09 Canucklehead wrote:
Except it wasn't the wrong thing to do. Letting the doctor continue to beat up his wife is the wrong thing to do. A normal society you say? A normal society doesn't willingly let a wife beater go without any consequences. Deanna's sense of justice when it comes to wife beaters is worse than the NFL! You don't let the doctor keep doing that, but what the other poster means is that you need to stop the doctor in a civilized way instead of just beating him to a pulp. I started watching The Walking Dead during season 4, so I may not even have a right to criticize it just yet, but my problem with this episode was the fact that Rick didn't even start the fight (to my recollection), nor did he "beat the doctor to a pulp". The doctor was the one being "batshit crazy" and Rick was only trying to help the abused wife. Yet Deanna, for some reason (bad writing), decided to immediately label Rick as the bad guy without even asking what had happened. If I were Rick I'd have been just as pissed off and called her stupid too (because she is). It was especially frustrating because Rick was always seen as a total badass, yet he can barely hold his own against some wimpy doctor? Deanna's and Michonne's reaction would have been understandable if Rick had started the fight and actually beat the crap out of the doctor, but that's not what happened.
I think Rick was kind of obviously holding back. He took a bit of a whoopin and was in a bad spot. It only took a few moments in a dominant position though for Rick to have total control and the Doc's life in his hands. I think Michone was right about just the short time there having dulled her awareness a bit, it would make sense for Rick's combative instincts to display a similar lag
Strategically though he should of just walked outside right before the fight started so it looked like the dude started a fight with Rick for no reason, then rick should of just taken the whoopin so the Doc was an obvious bad guy.
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Rick confronted Deanna about the doctor, suggested killing him, and then shortly after he's crashing through a window with said doctor. It's pretty reasonable to be suspicious of what happened after that
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On March 25 2015 03:31 QuanticHawk wrote:
Rick confronted Deanna about the doctor, suggested killing him, and then shortly after he's crashing through a window with said doctor. It's pretty reasonable to be suspicious of what happened after that
Not to mention Rick pulled a fucking gun on everyone. Did you guys forget about that little detail?
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+ Show Spoiler +Bloody, grinning, wide-eyed Rick about to gouge some guy's eyes out is best Rick.
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On March 25 2015 06:42 jeeeeohn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bloody, grinning, wide-eyed Rick about to gouge some guy's eyes out is best Rick.
You could probably have replaced Rick with Shane there and the scene plays out roughly the same. It's interesting how peoples feelings have changed about the same stuff Shane was saying a long time ago.
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I guess you could say that Shane was ahead of the curve. Poor bastard would still be alive if he didn't touch the MC's wife.
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On March 25 2015 02:48 Masheyoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 10:20 parkufarku wrote:On March 24 2015 03:09 Canucklehead wrote:
Except it wasn't the wrong thing to do. Letting the doctor continue to beat up his wife is the wrong thing to do. A normal society you say? A normal society doesn't willingly let a wife beater go without any consequences. Deanna's sense of justice when it comes to wife beaters is worse than the NFL! You don't let the doctor keep doing that, but what the other poster means is that you need to stop the doctor in a civilized way instead of just beating him to a pulp. I started watching The Walking Dead during season 4, so I may not even have a right to criticize it just yet, but my problem with this episode was the fact that Rick didn't even start the fight (to my recollection), nor did he "beat the doctor to a pulp". The doctor was the one being "batshit crazy" and Rick was only trying to help the abused wife. Yet Deanna, for some reason (bad writing), decided to immediately label Rick as the bad guy without even asking what had happened. If I were Rick I'd have been just as pissed off and called her stupid too (because she is). It was especially frustrating because Rick was always seen as a total badass, yet he can barely hold his own against some wimpy doctor? Deanna's and Michonne's reaction would have been understandable if Rick had started the fight and actually beat the crap out of the doctor, but that's not what happened.
Why would Deanna need to ask when they had a conversation earlier in the episode about not harming the only doctor in the community? Rick has openly expressed his desire to kill the doctor which Deanna is strongly against, now Deanna sees Rick on top of the doctor and both of them are bloody and you still blame her for jumping to conclusions? Fuck the presumptions she made, Deanna's actions were far more logical than Rick's for pulling out a gun on a whole lot of unarmed people.
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On March 25 2015 07:00 GreenHorizons wrote:You could probably have replaced Rick with Shane there and the scene plays out roughly the same. It's interesting how peoples feelings have changed about the same stuff Shane was saying a long time ago.
It's interesting because I said the exact same thing after the episode. They've actually done something neat in inverting Rick's morality and justifying Shane's actions.
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Although, to be fair, Shane did just shoot a random innocent in order to survive. I don't see Rick doing that, whereas that seems to be the regular M.O. for Alexandrians...
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On March 25 2015 12:29 Acrofales wrote:
Shane did just shoot a random innocent in order to survive. I don't see Rick doing that
Don't forget about the cop that ran from the whole Grady hospital situation, that was without reason.
Edit; Sorry, forgive me. The reason was "shut up!" Ha, fucking love ruthless Rick.
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People in Alexandria (and the whole place) are so detached from reality it's unreal. The zombie outbreak has been going for how long now, 2 years? More? (no idea, I never paid any attention to the time fame). Yet they are surprised by every single thing going on. If this whole plot arc happened in season 1 I'd be fine with it, but now, so deep into the disaster that place is really out of place. There is absolutely nothing believable about the characters inside and their actions. It's like they were stuck in a vacuum all this time and only the arrival of our heroes pulled them back to actual existance.
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On March 25 2015 13:31 diplosanity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 12:29 Acrofales wrote:
Shane did just shoot a random innocent in order to survive. I don't see Rick doing that Don't forget about the cop that ran from the whole Grady hospital situation, that was without reason. Edit; Sorry, forgive me. The reason was "shut up!" Ha, fucking love ruthless Rick.
well they thought or knew that his group had beth so any fucks he had left went out the window. It at least follows his internal logic of generally not being a scumbag, but god help you if you attempt to hurt him or his family.
I mean even his stuff now follows that logic still. he's freaking out ultimately because he does not trust this place's ability to keep his family safe.
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That's what they said though. The whole area was almost completely evacuated so there's never been a lot of people or walkers. Meanwhile, Rick's group traveled hundreds of miles, through an infested city, near herds, and had to deal with other groups of survivors, most of which haven't been friendly.
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So here's what I think is going to happen. Rick gets exiled in super sad scene or whatever... but then the W zombies attack! Rick becomes the impromptu war-time leader. He stays in Alexandria after the battle. Cut to "I was wrong about everything, you're the best waaah!" and "Now yer gon 'ave to liv bah mah rules!"
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On March 25 2015 22:17 tofucake wrote:
That's what they said though. The whole area was almost completely evacuated so there's never been a lot of people or walkers. Meanwhile, Rick's group traveled hundreds of miles, through an infested city, near herds, and had to deal with other groups of survivors, most of which haven't been friendly.
Yup. In almost every episode since the group has gotten to Alexandria, there has been some small history bits.
In the past, Alexandria was built as an upscale community for the rich, which is why the houses look so nice inside and out. Also, rich neighborhoods like Alexandria in the U.S. are quite isolated most of the time. Even the characters said that these houses are mansions and that no way they could have afford it in the past. This neighborhood community has solar panels, water filtration system, etc. During the outbreak, the community was used as a military base, and since Deanna was a politician, she and others, were sent to the base for refuge. Eventually the community became the Alexandria we know today in the show and comics.
Like others have stated, the Alexandrians got lucky because the safe zone looks like it's far away from populated areas like a town and city. Which explains why they are so inexperienced and too relaxed (writers are making the Alexandrians so fucking dumb). They keep thinking the threat are the zombies while not thinking of what humans can do.
What Glenn said to Nicholas sums up Alexandria quite nicely, which was, “people like you are supposed to be dead, but these walls went up just in time, so you’re not”.
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I'm just a little disappointed that the Doc was able to go toe to toe with Rick. The Alexandrian's are suppose to be soft. Rick was struggling lol.
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On March 28 2015 11:27 illsick wrote:
I'm just a little disappointed that the Doc was able to go toe to toe with Rick. The Alexandrian's are suppose to be soft. Rick was struggling lol.
Well first of all the Doc has had plenty of practice fighting by beating up his wife. Secondly, while Rick has been malnourished all this time the Doc has been having 3-4 square meals a day and plenty of good nutrition.
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Probably the best finale since the series began. But the dark scenes were a tad bit confusing until the Talking Dead showed them.
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On March 30 2015 13:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Probably the best finale since the series began. But the dark scenes were a tad bit confusing until the Talking Dead showed them.
Agreed. Dislike that Glenn let the guy live though. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite him in the ass.
You know... again, lol.
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