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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
March 19 2014 15:13 GMT
#8201
THANK FUCKING GOD SHE SHOT HER. Holy shit this episode was torture.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 19 2014 17:30 GMT
#8202
hahaha holy fucking shit

i love this
It's your boy Guzma!
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 19 2014 18:37 GMT
#8203
I still can't understand why Carol and Tyreese were perfectly fine letting her go around freely with a firearm after they saw her "playing" with her "friend" the walker. As far as I'm concerned, they're responsible for the death of both the kids.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 19 2014 18:52 GMT
#8204
On March 20 2014 03:37 Djzapz wrote:
I still can't understand why Carol and Tyreese were perfectly fine letting her go around freely with a firearm after they saw her "playing" with her "friend" the walker. As far as I'm concerned, they're responsible for the death of both the kids.

being compassionate towards walkers and thinking they're more than just worthless deadhead killers should have led them to believe she'd butcher her own sister?

I'm not quite sure that makes sense. Not to mention, in the Zombie Apocalypse, you basically must be armed in some fashion at all times.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 19 2014 18:52 GMT
#8205
Honestly, I don't think they knew she was a blossoming sociopath. They knew she was delusional, but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a sociopath. Never had she harmed another human being(though I'm still skeptical over the deaths of Karen+David), so there was no reason to distrust her with a firearm. We as viewers, of course, saw her as a threat because we saw every interaction she had with everyone.

Mica really should have told Carol what happened with that crippled walker. Even then I'm not sure that would have triggered a sudden worry over Lizzie killing any of them.

I think killing Lizzie was definitely a sort-of mercy killing. She had no place in that world and was a danger to everyone she came across, not to mention herself.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
March 19 2014 19:34 GMT
#8206
On March 20 2014 03:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Honestly, I don't think they knew she was a blossoming sociopath. They knew she was delusional, but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a sociopath. Never had she harmed another human being(though I'm still skeptical over the deaths of Karen+David), so there was no reason to distrust her with a firearm. We as viewers, of course, saw her as a threat because we saw every interaction she had with everyone.

Mica really should have told Carol what happened with that crippled walker. Even then I'm not sure that would have triggered a sudden worry over Lizzie killing any of them.

I think killing Lizzie was definitely a sort-of mercy killing. She had no place in that world and was a danger to everyone she came across, not to mention herself.


She had openly admitted to Carol that she killed people at the prison.

There's were tons of signs. They just refused to believe it.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5714 Posts
March 19 2014 19:36 GMT
#8207
On March 20 2014 04:34 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 03:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Honestly, I don't think they knew she was a blossoming sociopath. They knew she was delusional, but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a sociopath. Never had she harmed another human being(though I'm still skeptical over the deaths of Karen+David), so there was no reason to distrust her with a firearm. We as viewers, of course, saw her as a threat because we saw every interaction she had with everyone.

Mica really should have told Carol what happened with that crippled walker. Even then I'm not sure that would have triggered a sudden worry over Lizzie killing any of them.

I think killing Lizzie was definitely a sort-of mercy killing. She had no place in that world and was a danger to everyone she came across, not to mention herself.


She had openly admitted to Carol that she killed people at the prison.

There's were tons of signs. They just refused to believe it.


Killed people that were attacking her friends and family. Theres a difference between her claiming she killed people in self defense and her claiming she killed people for no reason. All that did was show she had remorse for killing live beings, exact opposite of what she felt near the end of her life.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
ConGee
Profile Joined May 2012
318 Posts
March 19 2014 19:46 GMT
#8208
On March 19 2014 07:45 BliptiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 23:19 Assault_1 wrote:
On March 18 2014 22:52 Skron wrote:

Question for the comics people: Did this storyline happen in the comics, too? I could see it working far better in that medium, for some reason.


Comic spoilers!
+ Show Spoiler +
No, the two girls get beheaded in the prison

woah.. by who?


More comic spoilers from past events:

+ Show Spoiler +
The two girls in the show and comic are quite different. Hershel has two little girls in the comics whom he finds beheaded in the prison. You find out that the murderer was one of the prison inmates from the cafeteria when they first entered the prison.

The two girls in the show roughly followed the story of two boys from the comics that were the children of a to be deceased couple from way back at the first camp outside Atlanta. One of the boys kills his brother at about the same point that Lizzy kills her sister in the show.






+ Show Spoiler +
Essentially with similar reasoning in that: "It's okay. I didn't hurt the brain." The deaths of the psychotic children were handled really differently though.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 19 2014 20:12 GMT
#8209
On March 20 2014 03:52 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 03:37 Djzapz wrote:
I still can't understand why Carol and Tyreese were perfectly fine letting her go around freely with a firearm after they saw her "playing" with her "friend" the walker. As far as I'm concerned, they're responsible for the death of both the kids.

being compassionate towards walkers and thinking they're more than just worthless deadhead killers should have led them to believe she'd butcher her own sister?

I'm not quite sure that makes sense. Not to mention, in the Zombie Apocalypse, you basically must be armed in some fashion at all times.

She was a danger to herself if she was willing to play catch with a walker. So even if she wasn't obviously going to kill her sister, she was clearly not fit to be out with a gun.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
March 19 2014 20:17 GMT
#8210
On March 20 2014 04:36 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 04:34 killa_robot wrote:
On March 20 2014 03:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Honestly, I don't think they knew she was a blossoming sociopath. They knew she was delusional, but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a sociopath. Never had she harmed another human being(though I'm still skeptical over the deaths of Karen+David), so there was no reason to distrust her with a firearm. We as viewers, of course, saw her as a threat because we saw every interaction she had with everyone.

Mica really should have told Carol what happened with that crippled walker. Even then I'm not sure that would have triggered a sudden worry over Lizzie killing any of them.

I think killing Lizzie was definitely a sort-of mercy killing. She had no place in that world and was a danger to everyone she came across, not to mention herself.


She had openly admitted to Carol that she killed people at the prison.

There's were tons of signs. They just refused to believe it.


Killed people that were attacking her friends and family. Theres a difference between her claiming she killed people in self defense and her claiming she killed people for no reason. All that did was show she had remorse for killing live beings, exact opposite of what she felt near the end of her life.


Carol knew that she had mental problems. You could see her reaction when the little sister told Lizzie, "Look at the flowers and count to 3 like you're supposed to." That scene made it obvious that Lizzie had been in some sort of mental care previously.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5714 Posts
March 19 2014 20:19 GMT
#8211
On March 20 2014 05:17 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 04:36 Zooper31 wrote:
On March 20 2014 04:34 killa_robot wrote:
On March 20 2014 03:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Honestly, I don't think they knew she was a blossoming sociopath. They knew she was delusional, but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a sociopath. Never had she harmed another human being(though I'm still skeptical over the deaths of Karen+David), so there was no reason to distrust her with a firearm. We as viewers, of course, saw her as a threat because we saw every interaction she had with everyone.

Mica really should have told Carol what happened with that crippled walker. Even then I'm not sure that would have triggered a sudden worry over Lizzie killing any of them.

I think killing Lizzie was definitely a sort-of mercy killing. She had no place in that world and was a danger to everyone she came across, not to mention herself.


She had openly admitted to Carol that she killed people at the prison.

There's were tons of signs. They just refused to believe it.


Killed people that were attacking her friends and family. Theres a difference between her claiming she killed people in self defense and her claiming she killed people for no reason. All that did was show she had remorse for killing live beings, exact opposite of what she felt near the end of her life.


Carol knew that she had mental problems. You could see her reaction when the little sister told Lizzie, "Look at the flowers and count to 3 like you're supposed to." That scene made it obvious that Lizzie had been in some sort of mental care previously.


Or it was just a simple way they found out to calm Lizzie down. I don't know how you could connect that sequence with Lizzie being in mental care previously. That's a common way to calm emotions down, punching a pillow when you're angry, counting to 10 with deep breaths etc.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
March 19 2014 20:21 GMT
#8212
On March 20 2014 05:19 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 05:17 Cel.erity wrote:
On March 20 2014 04:36 Zooper31 wrote:
On March 20 2014 04:34 killa_robot wrote:
On March 20 2014 03:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Honestly, I don't think they knew she was a blossoming sociopath. They knew she was delusional, but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a sociopath. Never had she harmed another human being(though I'm still skeptical over the deaths of Karen+David), so there was no reason to distrust her with a firearm. We as viewers, of course, saw her as a threat because we saw every interaction she had with everyone.

Mica really should have told Carol what happened with that crippled walker. Even then I'm not sure that would have triggered a sudden worry over Lizzie killing any of them.

I think killing Lizzie was definitely a sort-of mercy killing. She had no place in that world and was a danger to everyone she came across, not to mention herself.


She had openly admitted to Carol that she killed people at the prison.

There's were tons of signs. They just refused to believe it.


Killed people that were attacking her friends and family. Theres a difference between her claiming she killed people in self defense and her claiming she killed people for no reason. All that did was show she had remorse for killing live beings, exact opposite of what she felt near the end of her life.


Carol knew that she had mental problems. You could see her reaction when the little sister told Lizzie, "Look at the flowers and count to 3 like you're supposed to." That scene made it obvious that Lizzie had been in some sort of mental care previously.


Or it was just a simple way they found out to calm Lizzie down. I don't know how you could connect that sequence with Lizzie being in mental care previously. That's a common way to calm emotions down, punching a pillow when you're angry, counting to 10 with deep breaths etc.


It means she has a history of panic attacks like the one she displayed in that scene, and that there's a routine she's supposed to follow when those attacks occur. Carol had a look of fear/shock when she heard it, so obviously she interpreted it the same way.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5714 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 20:29:09
March 19 2014 20:27 GMT
#8213
On March 20 2014 05:21 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 05:19 Zooper31 wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:17 Cel.erity wrote:
On March 20 2014 04:36 Zooper31 wrote:
On March 20 2014 04:34 killa_robot wrote:
On March 20 2014 03:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Honestly, I don't think they knew she was a blossoming sociopath. They knew she was delusional, but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a sociopath. Never had she harmed another human being(though I'm still skeptical over the deaths of Karen+David), so there was no reason to distrust her with a firearm. We as viewers, of course, saw her as a threat because we saw every interaction she had with everyone.

Mica really should have told Carol what happened with that crippled walker. Even then I'm not sure that would have triggered a sudden worry over Lizzie killing any of them.

I think killing Lizzie was definitely a sort-of mercy killing. She had no place in that world and was a danger to everyone she came across, not to mention herself.


She had openly admitted to Carol that she killed people at the prison.

There's were tons of signs. They just refused to believe it.


Killed people that were attacking her friends and family. Theres a difference between her claiming she killed people in self defense and her claiming she killed people for no reason. All that did was show she had remorse for killing live beings, exact opposite of what she felt near the end of her life.


Carol knew that she had mental problems. You could see her reaction when the little sister told Lizzie, "Look at the flowers and count to 3 like you're supposed to." That scene made it obvious that Lizzie had been in some sort of mental care previously.


Or it was just a simple way they found out to calm Lizzie down. I don't know how you could connect that sequence with Lizzie being in mental care previously. That's a common way to calm emotions down, punching a pillow when you're angry, counting to 10 with deep breaths etc.


It means she has a history of panic attacks like the one she displayed in that scene, and that there's a routine she's supposed to follow when those attacks occur. Carol had a look of fear/shock when she heard it, so obviously she interpreted it the same way.


And then she showed Carol she was fine in handling Walkers when they all had that shootout and Carol had an almost relieved look on her face. And then again that night she said "she knew what she had to do now" re-assuring Carol. Though Mika should've alerted Carol that her big sister was feeding a Walker and caused the problem in the first place.

She was crazy, we all saw the signs, the characters in the show don't even have half the information we had to go with. On top of the fact the world they are living in they didn't exactly have much time to relax and ponder about the mentally insane signs a young girl growing up in a zombie world might be showing and/or how to deal with it.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 01:53:18
March 20 2014 01:49 GMT
#8214
On March 18 2014 22:18 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 18:30 Scorch wrote:
Do you guys think killing Lizzie was justified?

Lizzie murdered her sister and could very well have tried to kill others. Death penalty is a thing in many countries, and certainly under the extreme circumstances/martial law of a zombie apocalypse. Then again, Lizzie is just a child with mental problems that may have been treated. In a functional world, she would have been put into some sort of institution that is obviously not available now. So is it worth risking other people's lives for the vague chance of curing a murderer's mental illness and basically let her go unpunished? I say it's not. That leaves either killing Lizzie outright or leaving her behind to "play" with her zombie friends.

Leaving her behind would have been a morally easier choice (something that Rick would do probably), but killing her was probably the better choice to stop her or anyone else's agony.
If they leave her they don't directly have her blood on their hands but she will either get killed by zombies which is much more painful than a bullet to the head or she would run into some other group of people and possibly cause more deaths down the line (or die of hunger or something similar which is a terrible way to die).

They could take her with her, but that would be too much of a risk in their situation.


Also if they didn't kill her like that it wouldn't mimic the plot to Of Mice and Men.

Personally I absolutely love the 2 Beth & Daryll episodes preceding this one; I thought I was going to hate their dynamic together, but turns out it was quite the opposite. (And no I don't think it's building up to a romance which is what makes it enjoyable rather than dull)
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TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
March 20 2014 12:43 GMT
#8215
Loved the Fallout reference in the beginning of this episode whether it was intended or not.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 20 2014 13:09 GMT
#8216
On March 20 2014 21:43 TerransHill wrote:
Loved the Fallout reference in the beginning of this episode whether it was intended or not.

Pretty sure it was! Could hardly be a coincidence.
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KUNGJAH
Profile Joined January 2014
Sweden53 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 13:43:51
March 20 2014 13:41 GMT
#8217
On March 20 2014 00:13 Grettin wrote:
THANK FUCKING GOD SHE SHOT HER. Holy shit this episode was torture.



couldnt agree more.... what a terrible episode.


its pretty sad when the highlight of the episode is a execution of child
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32161 Posts
March 20 2014 13:48 GMT
#8218
I liked the episode, but I do wish that the whole Lizzy believes they're humans thing was built up a bit more than one episode. We knew she was crazy from the baby thing a few episodes back, killing little animals and feeding rats to the walkers at the jail, but talking to walkers and believing they're human is a bit different.

Otherwise, I did like it a lot.

I still do not really care for how disjointed this whole season is
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
March 20 2014 13:58 GMT
#8219
Can't wait to see all the characters next ep. I've almost forgotten who Rick and Carl are.
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 21 2014 23:11 GMT
#8220
The acting of the girl playing Lizzie was terrible, I'm glad she's gone.
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