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On December 04 2013 20:48 Guitar Picker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 18:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
- Disappointing end to the governor. I was in defense of the guy up until now. Sure he wasn't the greatest villain, but he was the best we had as far as a real antagonist goes. I just realised why I've been hating this show for the past three season. It's because the zombies are no longer the bad guys. They're just random pieces of shit walking around. What made season one so good was that it felt like it was humans vs zombies. Season 2 was Rick vs Shane, season 3 and 4 the governor and the flu. Fucking gay ass shit. Well, maybe you're going to get your wish now. With the prison ruined now (maybe it isn't and they could repair the fence, but I feel like for plot its 'ruined') they will probably become nomads again right? That will mean zombies as enemies once again.
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On December 04 2013 18:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Misc:
- Disappointing end to the governor. I was in defense of the guy up until now. Sure he wasn't the greatest villain, but he was the best we had as far as a real antagonist goes. There was always the chance that he could be salvaged given proper expansion on his backstory which would have better supported why he was a bit out of his mind. Instead, it felt like they only superficially delved into it all before ending his run. Not only that, but despite the nice payoff in the form of this ep, the first half of s4 feels too mechanical in setting the stage for the governor's final confrontation. It's all like an awkward redo of the s3 finale and is the main reason I'm knocking it down to an 8/10. Furthermore, this ep could've been even more powerful if they simply took their time in building the governor's small post-Woodbury arc from the first ep of this season. Packing it all into 2 episodes before the blowout feels a bit lazy.
I feel like his motivations were simple enough. Any rival group is a threat. They can attack, they drain resources, they can draw in walkers inadvertantly by doing something stupid nearby. He's basically a more charasmatic Shane. Not trusting of others, and will do whatever it takes to protect whomever he views as his own. I don't think he's evil without motivation. He's evil because that's what he thinks it takes to survive in this world.
I do agree that they touched on his backstory superficially. Doing it from the start of the season vs just two random ones crammed in there would have been much better.
I'm sure the reason it was done in two episodes was for the surprise that he's back. Knowing he's around from S4:E1 and having to wait until 8 for them to come together isn't as climactic.
Oh, also, I dont think it was mentioned here, but I'm pretty positive that Bob (black alchy army medic) is the rat dude. That one they found was pinned and dissected like you would in high school biology.
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Nah, the governor is a good old fashioned bad guy. He's evil because he's an evil fucking psychopath. He just manages to sell it to other people that he's evil because that's what's required in this world.
There was no reason to kill Hershel. There is no reason to collect trophies in jars (or in a lake), and he enjoys torturing people, and killing them in the most sadistic ways he can think of (Andrea).
That's evil for the sake of evil, not because the world is forcing him to be.
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On December 04 2013 20:48 Guitar Picker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 18:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
- Disappointing end to the governor. I was in defense of the guy up until now. Sure he wasn't the greatest villain, but he was the best we had as far as a real antagonist goes. I just realised why I've been hating this show for the past three season. It's because the zombies are no longer the bad guys. They're just random pieces of shit walking around. What made season one so good was that it felt like it was humans vs zombies. Season 2 was Rick vs Shane, season 3 and 4 the governor and the flu. Fucking gay ass shit.
Thats kinda the point. The show is about people surviving in a post apocalyptic world where the apocalypse is zombies. They were never meant to be the focal point.
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If you want something where the zombies are the main enemy, go watch a movie.
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I loved this finale. I am 100% sure the baby is still alive anyways.
I liked that they just focused on a few chapters on the governor instead of just mixing his story with the ones in the prison. It just felt right to me.
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I really liked it, it leaves so many loose ends!
so sad to have to wait until february
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I forgot to post in this thread.
What an awful episode, and it appears I'm one out of two people (maybe three) who think this in this thread.
Bullet proof zombie shields? Conveniently placed zombie buried in mud? Expert marksman children but the adults can't hit anything? Cliche bullshit all around? Welcome to the mid-season finale of The Walking Dead!
I don't even know where to get started. The episode started off great and got even better as it went on. Right up until the Governor cut Hershel's throat. That's when the episode's quality immediately started to go downhill. The distance Rick was from the bus, there is absolutely no excuse for him surviving with just a leg wound. I can forgive people overlooking him while they stormed the inner fence of the prison wall. But he should have been shot a dozen times over before he was able to get cover behind the bus.
I can also forgive Michonne escaping in the chaos. What I can't forgive is the fact she "killed" him. So fucking cliche. The past 2 season she's been saying "I'm going to kill you" and her wish was granted, awful writing. This is like something you would see in a bad action movie. I don't even like her character either, not sure why people do. I find her 1 dimensional and uninteresting. + Show Spoiler +The Governor's death in the comics was way better and I was really hoping it would follow suit, worst of all I actually suspected it would happen with how nervous Tara Chambler was.
Daryl using a zombie as a meatshield was such a joke too. I couldn't tell what rifle one of the 3 guys had but one was using an AR-15 and the other had an AK variation. I highly doubt a zombie's corpse is going to be able to stop multiple rounds. So much cheese.
And Judith isn't dead. I don't know why anyone even thinks that. These writers are too much of pussies to kill a baby.+ Show Spoiler + I was just PRAYING that someone would die with Judith like how it happened in the comics (namely Beth).
The whole battle was so god damn awful and poorly done.
It's unfortunate the Governor is dead. He was literally the only interesting thing this whole season.
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Fixed the comic spoilers; apologizes.
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I agree with your about bullet proof zombies and conveniently placed zombie buried in mud, but not with the rest (although I need to note using body as shield is a standard in 99% of action movies so it didn't bother me as much).
On the other hand, Rick only being wounded in the leg was not impossible. Governor just beheaded a helpless man and Rick seized the opportunity. Also I am sure most of the guns were pointed at the rest of the group and not at Rick. Rick was unarmed when it all started, nobody expected him to be such a fast draw.
Michone killing Governor was not bad. It would have been bad if she was inside the prison and somehow teleported behind Governor to kill him. She was placed in a logical spot at the start of the conflict, Guverner and Rick were left behind them all and she was "forgotten" in the chaos.
The children were not marksmen, they were at point blank range. One can say they go enough training to be able to do so, or they got lucky. If they continue to be so good each time they use a gun, then you can scream bullshit. Also it fits in this universe as everyone seems to headshot zombies so well one might think they are all professional CS players 
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On December 05 2013 21:01 -Archangel- wrote:
I agree with your about bullet proof zombies and conveniently placed zombie buried in mud, but not with the rest (although I need to note using body as shield is a standard in 99% of action movies so it didn't bother me as much).
This truly is a minor point, and not really all that important in the grand scheme of things, but the show has shown time and time again that the zombies are basically made of putty, so "other movies do it, too" is not an excuse here. I rolled my eyes at that scene, but then again, you get used to it, just like the 100% headshot rate everybody has when it comes to zombies.
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So I was just poking around on the IMDB page for The Walking Dead, and I noticed they had a little Season 5 section. Clicking it and not expecting what (if anything) I'd find besides maybe a placeholder, they had what can be taken as a spoiler for the first episode of that season
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1520211/episodes?season=5&ref_=tt_eps_sn_5
If you don't want to click:
+ Show Spoiler +Rick and the group is heading to Washington DC, where they meet new danger and a new enemy. Once again, Rick must do whatever it takes to keep the rest of the group safe.
I mean, it doesn't spoil MUCH, but I'd have preferred not knowing that.
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On December 05 2013 12:35 Krohm wrote:I forgot to post in this thread. What an awful episode, and it appears I'm one out of two people (maybe three) who think this in this thread. Bullet proof zombie shields? Conveniently placed zombie buried in mud? Expert marksman children but the adults can't hit anything? Cliche bullshit all around? Welcome to the mid-season finale of The Walking Dead! I don't even know where to get started. The episode started off great and got even better as it went on. Right up until the Governor cut Hershel's throat. That's when the episode's quality immediately started to go downhill. The distance Rick was from the bus, there is absolutely no excuse for him surviving with just a leg wound. I can forgive people overlooking him while they stormed the inner fence of the prison wall. But he should have been shot a dozen times over before he was able to get cover behind the bus. I can also forgive Michonne escaping in the chaos. What I can't forgive is the fact she "killed" him. So fucking cliche. The past 2 season she's been saying "I'm going to kill you" and her wish was granted, awful writing. This is like something you would see in a bad action movie. I don't even like her character either, not sure why people do. I find her 1 dimensional and uninteresting. + Show Spoiler +The Governor's death in the comics was way better and I was really hoping it would follow suit, worst of all I actually suspected it would happen with how nervous Tara Chambler was. Daryl using a zombie as a meatshield was such a joke too. I couldn't tell what rifle one of the 3 guys had but one was using an AR-15 and the other had an AK variation. I highly doubt a zombie's corpse is going to be able to stop multiple rounds. So much cheese. And Judith isn't dead. I don't know why anyone even thinks that. These writers are too much of pussies to kill a baby. + Show Spoiler + I was just PRAYING that someone would die with Judith like how it happened in the comics (namely Beth). But no of course not. The whole battle was so god damn awful and poorly done. It's unfortunate the Governor is dead. He was literally the only interesting thing this whole season. User was warned for this postFixed the comic spoilers; apologizes.
I enjoy nitpicking things because I find that part of the fun of watching the show. Far too many "convenient" things happen in the show, like dozens of holes opening all around a roof at the same time and using a zombie as a body shield right after a living person was relieved because he got shot and there was an exit wound. If those types of things ruin the show for you, then this isn't the show for you, because it has always happened and it always will happen.
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i think it's fairly ironic that people are complaining by saying that a zombie show is unrealistic.
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On December 05 2013 21:06 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 21:01 -Archangel- wrote:
I agree with your about bullet proof zombies and conveniently placed zombie buried in mud, but not with the rest (although I need to note using body as shield is a standard in 99% of action movies so it didn't bother me as much). This truly is a minor point, and not really all that important in the grand scheme of things, but the show has shown time and time again that the zombies are basically made of putty, so "other movies do it, too" is not an excuse here. I rolled my eyes at that scene, but then again, you get used to it, just like the 100% headshot rate everybody has when it comes to zombies.
TBH as sure as I am that he hated the episode before he watched it, I found this kinda funny too lol
Especially since RIGHT before (or after? can't recall), that dr guy got shot once from way way farther and they confirmed an exit wound on a fresh and healthy human body lol
The writer's have never been sharp on this show. Like the guy above said, if these types of things ruin episodes for you, then this isn't the show for you
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On December 06 2013 03:28 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 21:06 Conti wrote:On December 05 2013 21:01 -Archangel- wrote:
I agree with your about bullet proof zombies and conveniently placed zombie buried in mud, but not with the rest (although I need to note using body as shield is a standard in 99% of action movies so it didn't bother me as much). This truly is a minor point, and not really all that important in the grand scheme of things, but the show has shown time and time again that the zombies are basically made of putty, so "other movies do it, too" is not an excuse here. I rolled my eyes at that scene, but then again, you get used to it, just like the 100% headshot rate everybody has when it comes to zombies. TBH as sure as I am that he hated the episode before he watched it, I found this kinda funny too lol Especially since RIGHT before (or after? can't recall), that dr guy got shot once from way way farther and they confirmed an exit wound on a fresh and healthy human body lol The writer's have never been sharp on this show. Like the guy above said, if these types of things ruin episodes for you, then this isn't the show for you
It didn't ruin the show for me either, but I must say, I was facepalming during that entire scene.
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On December 06 2013 02:29 CaucasianAsian wrote:
i think it's fairly ironic that people are complaining by saying that a zombie show is unrealistic.
We've heard people say this a million times. And no, it's not ironic.
When people think of a zombie apocalypse, they think of the world as is, besides now they are zombies. So no, you don't introduce bulletproof zombies or other unrealistic things. Zombies also require to be realistic based on the understanding people have of zombies. Aka - can't spontaneously get super intelligent, super powerful. So on. A zombie movie is supposed to mimic reality assuming there is a zombie apocalypse for whatever reason that can be somewhat logically explained, even though realistically it may not be possible.
Anyway, I enjoyed the episode a lot. Glad to see that they are done with the governor, kind of upset his character did not develop more until his return. I was very satisfied when we knew he was dead for sure and it wasn't just uncertain. I was also upset that the governor kicked the shit out of Rick, and Rick has seemed like a pretty big baby lately. He's been acting really weak, and I dunno, I always liked Rick, but I dunno, I don't like his traits... People like Daryl are much cooler. And ARGG WHY DOES RICK NEVER SAY THANK YOU! FUCKIN' MICHONNE SAVED HIS LIFE. HE'S SUCH AN ASSHOLE D:
We have a healthy amount of characters right now. Rick, Carl, Michonne, Tyresse, Sasha, Glenn & Maggie, Beth, The little girls, Bob, Judith?, someone from the Governors group?. So atleast 11 characters to have development with, so that's a healthy number. We also know that in Season 4 Carol will once again reappear, and yeah, should be an interesting mix.
As for the deaths, it was time for Hershel to die, as much I am sad to see him go, I think without him the groups adventure will head in the right direction. Too bad about the little girl dying, it was kind of to be expected though. Besides that, there wasn't too much death on their side... Which is good. Right now it seems like there is lots of chaos, however I feel as if they should be able to regroup and recover without losing anyone but Hershel... Plus gaining some.
Great episode! Looking forward to the next part of the season ^^
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On December 06 2013 02:29 CaucasianAsian wrote:
i think it's fairly ironic that people are complaining by saying that a zombie show is unrealistic.
A wise man once said:
You know what they should have next episode? Unicorns and chimeras. Why? Because it's a show about zombies and doesn't have to be realistic at all! People should even be capable of flying by flapping their arms really fast.
Oh wait that was me, I'm so awesome! (I'm kidding of course)
I really dislike this argument that is frequently presented to this thread. As someone else said, these zombies are frequently depicted as puddy. Not to mention moments before that happened, a living human get's shot and the bullet passes through him. It's just stupid when you need to submit to suspension of disbelief for things within the shows own universe, while already doing so just to watch the series. These writers are so awful and a lot of the time these episodes feel rushed.
Anyway I felt that the zombie shield was a minor point compared to my other wall of complaints. The major complaints were storm trooper accuracy and the cliche crap that happened.
I will continue watching this show in hopes that it gets better. But honestly they've had some good episodes from time to time. Like I thought the first episode featuring the governor this season was stellar.
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On December 06 2013 02:29 CaucasianAsian wrote:
i think it's fairly ironic that people are complaining by saying that a zombie show is unrealistic.
When we see that a series is about zombies created by a virus that's infected the entire human race, we may not believe that it's possible, but we suspend our disbelief because it's necessary to accept the premise of the series. However, other than that one thing, the world is meant to be entirely realistic. Just because there happens to be a zombie outbreak doesn't also mean that bullets should never hit their targets, or zombie skeletons should be made of cake (unless they're being used to shield a main character, in which case they're made of kevlar), or that the characters' behavior should not be believable.
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Only show I hate loving watching and love hating. It's at a point for me, where it is so bad, that it's good, similar to the original Evil Dead series, but The Walking Dead tries to be serious, which gives this little extra speechlessness.
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Damn I just watched the three episodes in a row because work got in the way lately. What a blast :D The show finally delivers again.
Also holy crap Daryl bossing all around.
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