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SpaceToaster
United States289 Posts
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Godstorm
Romania845 Posts
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Hugoboss21
France346 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:34 Bosu wrote: Pretty horrible finale. Awful acting, awful writing, just a lot of stupid shit. At least they killed off another bad character. I really hope the next season improves. It's a shame that this series is not amazing. The zombies are awesome, but everything else is done so poorly it's sad. i agree :[ | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
I could imagine some army units getting overrun in cities and large numbers of soldiers just panicking and deserting in the middle of the chaos, it's not like all the army of a western democracy would be extremely disciplined, and the bulk of the veteran soldiers woulf probably be stationed overseas. But once the initial shock factor wears down and the army retreats from the cities i can't imagine the zombie doing any more major damage, what could a bucnh of slow and retarded zombies do, no matter their numbers, against military bases equiped with tanks, artillery, helicopters, etc? So i have to say i was kinda annoyed by the whole fatalist human extintion thing in the finale, i mean, they are just a bunch of civilians and two cops with some common weapons and not a whole lot of common sense and they have taken out dozens of zombies, imagine what a well equiped military garrison could do. | ||
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Fugitive
Netherlands32 Posts
With zombies there is of course the 'you have to shoot in the head'- and the infect-other-people aspect which complicates things, but stil, I don't see how in the 'real' world this would ever happen. I don't see how the military could be run over with fancy weaponry and all that! | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On December 12 2010 05:31 CrimsonLotus wrote: I think the idea of such a zombie outbreak taking down the entire US goverment and military is just retarded; they are slow, can only harm you at melee range and don't have tactics or strategy, their only advantages are overwhelming numbers (only in major population centers) and the shock factor. I could imagine some army units getting overrun in cities and large numbers of soldiers just panicking and deserting in the middle of the chaos, it's not like all the army of a western democracy would be extremely disciplined, and the bulk of the veteran soldiers woulf probably be stationed overseas. But once the initial shock factor wears down and the army retreats from the cities i can't imagine the zombie doing any more major damage, what could a bucnh of slow and retarded zombies do, no matter their numbers, against military bases equiped with tanks, artillery, helicopters, etc? So i have to say i was kinda annoyed by the whole fatalist human extintion thing in the finale, i mean, they are just a bunch of civilians and two cops with some common weapons and not a whole lot of common sense and they have taken out dozens of zombies, imagine what a well equiped military garrison could do. I completely agree. A modern military would have no trouble holding a position against these zombies. The premise of the show is slowly becoming less and less believable. Also, this type of zombie outbreak would be so slow. How did it spread world wide? I have trouble believing that. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 12 2010 05:47 Mastermind wrote: I completely agree. A modern military would have no trouble holding a position against these zombies. The premise of the show is slowly becoming less and less believable. Also, this type of zombie outbreak would be so slow. How did it spread world wide? I have trouble believing that. You're right but, gotta roll with it =P Asides from the fact that it's not believable at all, it's enjoyable. | ||
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Jusciax
Lithuania588 Posts
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
On December 12 2010 05:47 Mastermind wrote: I completely agree. A modern military would have no trouble holding a position against these zombies. The premise of the show is slowly becoming less and less believable. Also, this type of zombie outbreak would be so slow. How did it spread world wide? I have trouble believing that. In Supernatural the zombie outbreak is brought on by demons and pestilence. They put the virus into a swine flu vaccination and created fast zombies. In that situation I found it pretty believable. If we're talking real zombies then I say you can't rule out divine/demonic intervention. On December 12 2010 06:00 Jusciax wrote: I heard many good reviews and decided to give this series a shot. What a crock of shit... Acting is horrible, i can barely stand any of them. Dialogs are so weak-sauce that it makes me puke every time some "dramatic" and long-winded dialog happens. Plot is so unbelievable that unless they discover bazillions of flying balls of tentacles bitting everyone in sight, i wont watch a single episode. What a waste of time this was. The comics are amazing. Unless you can only enjoy stuff in tv/movie format then download the series and look forward to more. | ||
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Arkqn
France589 Posts
On December 09 2010 21:36 sc4k wrote: I agree with this, it's the proper way to enjoy zombie films. If you want intellectual stimulation then you should be dealing with sci-fi not zombies. Zombies are about heart-in-mouth tension and extreme situations. I agree, but then again the plot focuses too much on these cheesy dramatic scenes.. We need MOAR action with zombies ! | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On December 12 2010 05:47 Mastermind wrote: I completely agree. A modern military would have no trouble holding a position against these zombies. The premise of the show is slowly becoming less and less believable. Also, this type of zombie outbreak would be so slow. How did it spread world wide? I have trouble believing that. If you haven't read it, consider giving World War Z a read, it's a zombie book that paints a frighteningly plausible chain of events where zombies successfully overwhelm the military of the world's nations, through a combination of incompetence, inadequate equipment, underestimating the zombies' numbers, Cold War-era tactics, and plain politics. It then also paints a curiously sound chain of events where new military units are formed that, using specialized anti-zombie tactics and equipment, successfully defeat the undead threat. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
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kef
283 Posts
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
On December 12 2010 07:59 kef wrote: I'm just hoping the World War Z movie will redeem the zombie genre at this point Hard to imagine that ever happening considering the zombie genre is brain dead lol. | ||
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
The USA army has around 1 million soldiers between active and reserve effectives. The United States population tallies at around 310 million people acording to estimates. Yeah, sure, a stacked army position could talke thousands of people with them, but its waves and waves of zombies that are coming at them and, like someone said, its completely possible that the zombies they do shoot arent shot on the head and thus remain active. So many things can go wrong that i dont find it unbelievable that a large part of the army was killed off. plus + Show Spoiler + later on in the comics we see small "cities" that flourish and other groups, like armed groups, active | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
On December 12 2010 09:09 night terrors wrote: I dont know what you guys are talking about. I can totally see an army being overrun. If the disease spreads out fast enough it wouldnt be a problem. The USA army has around 1 million soldiers between active and reserve effectives. The United States population tallies at around 310 million people acording to estimates. Yeah, sure, a stacked army position could talke thousands of people with them, but its waves and waves of zombies that are coming at them and, like someone said, its completely possible that the zombies they do shoot arent shot on the head and thus remain active. So many things can go wrong that i dont find it unbelievable that a large part of the army was killed off. plus + Show Spoiler + later on in the comics we see small "cities" that flourish and other groups, like armed groups, active totally agree with this. the people who say the army can easily handle this, read 'World War Z'. its quite a good book that explains things like this. just a short recap in the book, the zombie infestation was relatively unknown at the start and it spread way too quickly and before the military had time to analyse and respond, most of america became infected. the army tried to hold out in manhattan using all their missiles, tanks, napalm and firepower, but the zombies just keep coming. most modern weapons are meant to inspire fear into the opponent due to their overpowering damage as well as the ability to shred the enemy to pieces. however zombies dont feel fear, dont feel pain and will keep coming until their heads are gone. this requires a totally different style of engagement as even if you wipe out the first few waves of zombies with ur aewsome firepower, ur ammo is limited while there are still millions upon millions left. eventually the military panics and is overwhelmed. what the US military ultimately did was retrain the army and introduced a super-durable ak-47 like semiautomatic weapon. they also got rid of the super heavy 60pound+ gear that most soldiers are equipped with, and instead gave them loose clothing. then they reverted back to a 1800s style of 2 lines of ppl shooting constantly. and they have to basically make each shot count, and be replaced as soon as they start feeling tired. we mustnt forget that even with the army, thats still only 1 million people or so. however there are 310million people in america. to have to keep shooting at them while theyre constantly coming and doesnt even show a bit of fear is very nervewrecking on the soldiers | ||
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Brewed Tea
United States124 Posts
 i dont want to millitary to survive, it completely removes things like Fear and desperation when you have them killing everything. and if you really look at the zombie genre most zombie movies aren't all about action, well not good ones at least. Night of the living dead was a prime example, there was more drama between than the characters in that movie than action between zombies! and it worked well! i want tense moments where people are like "OMG WTF DO WE DO NOW!?!?! ...wait lets go into the forest and F***" lololon another note unless an actual zombie apocalypse breaks out i don't think we can really say what would and wouldn't happen. obviously there are plot holes (fish in a quarry?) but saying a show is garbage because of these tiny problems is silly! we should all be grateful that we are actually getting this quality of a show on AMC! the action would run stale and eventually become cliche if that's all it was, and would eventually just be panned. i also don't think it should be fully inline with the comic books, why would you want to watch what you've already read? i mean yeah its good to stay faithful to a certain stories universe but i just don't think its good writing to copy and paste the comic onto a TV show. and yes i personally think the writing is good for a TV show that's on cable TV and the acting is good too, but those are really arbitrary to tastes and i don't really think they hold any actual merit other than just expressing your opinion | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 12 2010 10:10 fuzzy_panda wrote: totally agree with this. the people who say the army can easily handle this, read 'World War Z'. its quite a good book that explains things like this. just a short recap in the book, the zombie infestation was relatively unknown at the start and it spread way too quickly and before the military had time to analyse and respond, most of america became infected. the army tried to hold out in manhattan using all their missiles, tanks, napalm and firepower, but the zombies just keep coming. most modern weapons are meant to inspire fear into the opponent due to their overpowering damage as well as the ability to shred the enemy to pieces. however zombies dont feel fear, dont feel pain and will keep coming until their heads are gone. this requires a totally different style of engagement as even if you wipe out the first few waves of zombies with ur aewsome firepower, ur ammo is limited while there are still millions upon millions left. eventually the military panics and is overwhelmed. what the US military ultimately did was retrain the army and introduced a super-durable ak-47 like semiautomatic weapon. they also got rid of the super heavy 60pound+ gear that most soldiers are equipped with, and instead gave them loose clothing. then they reverted back to a 1800s style of 2 lines of ppl shooting constantly. and they have to basically make each shot count, and be replaced as soon as they start feeling tired. we mustnt forget that even with the army, thats still only 1 million people or so. however there are 310million people in america. to have to keep shooting at them while theyre constantly coming and doesnt even show a bit of fear is very nervewrecking on the soldiers I dunno. Sure, you can only kill a zombie by shooting it in its head. That doesn't mean the entire body is invulnerable, and can continue working properly no matter how much damage it takes. Blow a zombie's legs off, or do something to incapacitate it, and you don't have to worry about killing it. In this show at least, the brain stem is apparently what keeps zombie's "alive," so even a broken spine would take one out of a fight. Fire should work wonders too, burning all the muscles and such. Plus, Zombies can't swim or fly, so I have a hard time imagining how they would take out the Navy, and the Air Force would be able to obliterate huge numbers of them in bombing runs. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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