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On December 15 2010 09:45 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 16:42 Sentenal wrote:On December 12 2010 10:10 fuzzy_panda wrote:On December 12 2010 09:09 night terrors wrote:I dont know what you guys are talking about. I can totally see an army being overrun. If the disease spreads out fast enough it wouldnt be a problem. The USA army has around 1 million soldiers between active and reserve effectives. The United States population tallies at around 310 million people acording to estimates. Yeah, sure, a stacked army position could talke thousands of people with them, but its waves and waves of zombies that are coming at them and, like someone said, its completely possible that the zombies they do shoot arent shot on the head and thus remain active. So many things can go wrong that i dont find it unbelievable that a large part of the army was killed off. plus + Show Spoiler +later on in the comics we see small "cities" that flourish and other groups, like armed groups, active totally agree with this. the people who say the army can easily handle this, read 'World War Z'. its quite a good book that explains things like this. just a short recap in the book, the zombie infestation was relatively unknown at the start and it spread way too quickly and before the military had time to analyse and respond, most of america became infected. the army tried to hold out in manhattan using all their missiles, tanks, napalm and firepower, but the zombies just keep coming. most modern weapons are meant to inspire fear into the opponent due to their overpowering damage as well as the ability to shred the enemy to pieces. however zombies dont feel fear, dont feel pain and will keep coming until their heads are gone. this requires a totally different style of engagement as even if you wipe out the first few waves of zombies with ur aewsome firepower, ur ammo is limited while there are still millions upon millions left. eventually the military panics and is overwhelmed. what the US military ultimately did was retrain the army and introduced a super-durable ak-47 like semiautomatic weapon. they also got rid of the super heavy 60pound+ gear that most soldiers are equipped with, and instead gave them loose clothing. then they reverted back to a 1800s style of 2 lines of ppl shooting constantly. and they have to basically make each shot count, and be replaced as soon as they start feeling tired. we mustnt forget that even with the army, thats still only 1 million people or so. however there are 310million people in america. to have to keep shooting at them while theyre constantly coming and doesnt even show a bit of fear is very nervewrecking on the soldiers I dunno. Sure, you can only kill a zombie by shooting it in its head. That doesn't mean the entire body is invulnerable, and can continue working properly no matter how much damage it takes. Blow a zombie's legs off, or do something to incapacitate it, and you don't have to worry about killing it. In this show at least, the brain stem is apparently what keeps zombie's "alive," so even a broken spine would take one out of a fight. Fire should work wonders too, burning all the muscles and such. Plus, Zombies can't swim or fly, so I have a hard time imagining how they would take out the Navy, and the Air Force would be able to obliterate huge numbers of them in bombing runs. I'm reading World War Z and the author really manages to make a "realistic" picture of how the zombies could overrun most of the world, and why a modern military might be unable to deal effectively with them simply because their weapons were not designed to kill large numbers of "infantry" and are innefficient against zombies. But in The WD the zombies seem weaker and less menacing than those in WWZ, and in the book the US military is just incredibly incompetent in their handling of the situation.
Just about any weapon that fires fast or explodes is designed to take out mass infantry
don't see how that is realistic.
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On December 23 2010 13:28 sung_moon wrote:
just started watching today on episode 3. good so far
btw feel sorry for the horse in episode 1 D:
yup out of every1 that has died so far i feel most sorry and heart broken for the poor horse RIP horse!
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if i was one of the survivors i would recommended finding a ship and sailing to a deserted island of in the pacific or Atlantic (if possible)
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Canada9720 Posts
you guys complaining about the small season should direct your complaints to amc, not the show. it's pretty common for a new series to only get picked up for a small season to start off. breaking bad also only had 7 episodes in its first season
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On December 12 2010 05:47 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:31 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I think the idea of such a zombie outbreak taking down the entire US goverment and military is just retarded; they are slow, can only harm you at melee range and don't have tactics or strategy, their only advantages are overwhelming numbers (only in major population centers) and the shock factor.
I could imagine some army units getting overrun in cities and large numbers of soldiers just panicking and deserting in the middle of the chaos, it's not like all the army of a western democracy would be extremely disciplined, and the bulk of the veteran soldiers woulf probably be stationed overseas.
But once the initial shock factor wears down and the army retreats from the cities i can't imagine the zombie doing any more major damage, what could a bucnh of slow and retarded zombies do, no matter their numbers, against military bases equiped with tanks, artillery, helicopters, etc?
So i have to say i was kinda annoyed by the whole fatalist human extintion thing in the finale, i mean, they are just a bunch of civilians and two cops with some common weapons and not a whole lot of common sense and they have taken out dozens of zombies, imagine what a well equiped military garrison could do. I completely agree. A modern military would have no trouble holding a position against these zombies. The premise of the show is slowly becoming less and less believable. Also, this type of zombie outbreak would be so slow. How did it spread world wide? I have trouble believing that.
well a possibility is that an infected person like the guy who was digging the holes could have gotten on a plane flew to like Europe and turned into a zombie during a time when the infection was not known of
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United States161 Posts
On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol).
+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
Mod edit: Don't spoil the show for those who haven't read the comics.
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On December 31 2010 01:48 RaFeStaR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol). + Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
And you seriously are going to post one of the next season's driving points without a spoiler tag. Bravo.
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On December 31 2010 01:48 RaFeStaR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol). + Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
+ Show Spoiler +no way. why did the CDC guy waste his time testing the survivors for pregnancy, if the story goes that way then its a shitty storyline
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On December 31 2010 02:08 Sanjuro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 01:48 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol). + Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
+ Show Spoiler +no way. why did the CDC guy waste his time testing the survivors for pregnancy, if the story goes that way then its a shitty storyline
+ Show Spoiler +he didn't test them for pregnancy...lol what? he wanted to test their blood to see if they were infected.. but i guess he can see the hormone levels were high in the wife. o_O
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United States161 Posts
On December 31 2010 01:54 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 01:48 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol). + Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
And you seriously are going to post one of the next season's driving points without a spoiler tag. Bravo.
Actually, I never even read the comic. I was just speculating. I wasn't trying to spoil anything, just giving my 2 cents.
Relax
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United States161 Posts
On December 31 2010 02:54 RaFeStaR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 01:54 r33k wrote:On December 31 2010 01:48 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol). + Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
And you seriously are going to post one of the next season's driving points without a spoiler tag. Bravo. Actually, I never even read the comic. I was just speculating. I wasn't trying to spoil anything, just giving my 2 cents. Relax
Edit: I guess everyone can put their theories out there but because mine is more than likely correct (lol? didn't read comic wut?) it gets mod edited.
Edit 2: I meant to edit, not quote..remove pl0x
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On December 31 2010 02:58 RaFeStaR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 02:54 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 31 2010 01:54 r33k wrote:On December 31 2010 01:48 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol). + Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
And you seriously are going to post one of the next season's driving points without a spoiler tag. Bravo. Actually, I never even read the comic. I was just speculating. I wasn't trying to spoil anything, just giving my 2 cents. Relax Edit: I guess everyone can put their theories out there but because mine is more than likely correct (lol? didn't read comic wut?) it gets mod edited. Edit 2: I meant to edit, not quote..remove pl0x
Ahh i got spoilered  , wasn't going to see it but i missclicked and ended up reading the first 4 words out of instinct . Ow well we shall see.
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United States161 Posts
On December 31 2010 03:01 Godstorm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 02:58 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 31 2010 02:54 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 31 2010 01:54 r33k wrote:On December 31 2010 01:48 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol). + Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
And you seriously are going to post one of the next season's driving points without a spoiler tag. Bravo. Actually, I never even read the comic. I was just speculating. I wasn't trying to spoil anything, just giving my 2 cents. Relax Edit: I guess everyone can put their theories out there but because mine is more than likely correct (lol? didn't read comic wut?) it gets mod edited. Edit 2: I meant to edit, not quote..remove pl0x Ahh i got spoilered , wasn't going to see it but i missclicked and ended up reading the first 4 words out of instinct . Ow well we shall see.
I don't even know if that's what it is for sure...Like I said, I never read the comics so I was just saying what I thought it was -.-
I realize I said it confidently, but it really does look like common sense given the events in the finale.
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I think Idra will be able to kill them. Cause he looked like Jesus with long hair>__<
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On December 31 2010 02:08 Sanjuro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 01:48 RaFeStaR wrote:On December 12 2010 05:10 Godstorm wrote:
Very nice ending, i think(hope) that the CDC scientist whispered a possible location for a cure?(maybe france lol). + Show Spoiler +
He didn't. He whispered that Rick's wife is pregnant (blood tests when they came in the building).
+ Show Spoiler +no way. why did the CDC guy waste his time testing the survivors for pregnancy, if the story goes that way then its a shitty storyline
+ Show Spoiler +I think you're pretty stupid if you don't understand the weight of a pregnancy in the zombie apocalypse. The story is about Rick finding his family and survivng. A pregnancy is pretty much the worst thing that could possibly happen.
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On December 30 2010 14:35 Blyadischa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 09:45 CrimsonLotus wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 Sentenal wrote:On December 12 2010 10:10 fuzzy_panda wrote:On December 12 2010 09:09 night terrors wrote:I dont know what you guys are talking about. I can totally see an army being overrun. If the disease spreads out fast enough it wouldnt be a problem. The USA army has around 1 million soldiers between active and reserve effectives. The United States population tallies at around 310 million people acording to estimates. Yeah, sure, a stacked army position could talke thousands of people with them, but its waves and waves of zombies that are coming at them and, like someone said, its completely possible that the zombies they do shoot arent shot on the head and thus remain active. So many things can go wrong that i dont find it unbelievable that a large part of the army was killed off. plus + Show Spoiler +later on in the comics we see small "cities" that flourish and other groups, like armed groups, active totally agree with this. the people who say the army can easily handle this, read 'World War Z'. its quite a good book that explains things like this. just a short recap in the book, the zombie infestation was relatively unknown at the start and it spread way too quickly and before the military had time to analyse and respond, most of america became infected. the army tried to hold out in manhattan using all their missiles, tanks, napalm and firepower, but the zombies just keep coming. most modern weapons are meant to inspire fear into the opponent due to their overpowering damage as well as the ability to shred the enemy to pieces. however zombies dont feel fear, dont feel pain and will keep coming until their heads are gone. this requires a totally different style of engagement as even if you wipe out the first few waves of zombies with ur aewsome firepower, ur ammo is limited while there are still millions upon millions left. eventually the military panics and is overwhelmed. what the US military ultimately did was retrain the army and introduced a super-durable ak-47 like semiautomatic weapon. they also got rid of the super heavy 60pound+ gear that most soldiers are equipped with, and instead gave them loose clothing. then they reverted back to a 1800s style of 2 lines of ppl shooting constantly. and they have to basically make each shot count, and be replaced as soon as they start feeling tired. we mustnt forget that even with the army, thats still only 1 million people or so. however there are 310million people in america. to have to keep shooting at them while theyre constantly coming and doesnt even show a bit of fear is very nervewrecking on the soldiers I dunno. Sure, you can only kill a zombie by shooting it in its head. That doesn't mean the entire body is invulnerable, and can continue working properly no matter how much damage it takes. Blow a zombie's legs off, or do something to incapacitate it, and you don't have to worry about killing it. In this show at least, the brain stem is apparently what keeps zombie's "alive," so even a broken spine would take one out of a fight. Fire should work wonders too, burning all the muscles and such. Plus, Zombies can't swim or fly, so I have a hard time imagining how they would take out the Navy, and the Air Force would be able to obliterate huge numbers of them in bombing runs. I'm reading World War Z and the author really manages to make a "realistic" picture of how the zombies could overrun most of the world, and why a modern military might be unable to deal effectively with them simply because their weapons were not designed to kill large numbers of "infantry" and are innefficient against zombies. But in The WD the zombies seem weaker and less menacing than those in WWZ, and in the book the US military is just incredibly incompetent in their handling of the situation. Just about any weapon that fires fast or explodes is designed to take out mass infantry don't see how that is realistic.
Not against "infantry" that only dies from headshots, that's not affected by explosions the same way a normal human because of differences in physiology and it's invulnerable to the "shock and awe" doctrine of the modern US army, since it feels no fear and will fight to the end.
It's all in the book: http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yonkers
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I just found this at Machinima Realm and failed to find it around TL.
Something to watch while we endlessly wait for The Walking Dead's second season.
It's actually very good!!! Can't wait for the next episode, or season maybe...
Bite Me - The Gamer's Zombie Apocalypse Series
http://www.youtube.com/show/biteme?s=1
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On January 03 2011 08:35 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 14:35 Blyadischa wrote:On December 15 2010 09:45 CrimsonLotus wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 Sentenal wrote:On December 12 2010 10:10 fuzzy_panda wrote:On December 12 2010 09:09 night terrors wrote:I dont know what you guys are talking about. I can totally see an army being overrun. If the disease spreads out fast enough it wouldnt be a problem. The USA army has around 1 million soldiers between active and reserve effectives. The United States population tallies at around 310 million people acording to estimates. Yeah, sure, a stacked army position could talke thousands of people with them, but its waves and waves of zombies that are coming at them and, like someone said, its completely possible that the zombies they do shoot arent shot on the head and thus remain active. So many things can go wrong that i dont find it unbelievable that a large part of the army was killed off. plus + Show Spoiler +later on in the comics we see small "cities" that flourish and other groups, like armed groups, active totally agree with this. the people who say the army can easily handle this, read 'World War Z'. its quite a good book that explains things like this. just a short recap in the book, the zombie infestation was relatively unknown at the start and it spread way too quickly and before the military had time to analyse and respond, most of america became infected. the army tried to hold out in manhattan using all their missiles, tanks, napalm and firepower, but the zombies just keep coming. most modern weapons are meant to inspire fear into the opponent due to their overpowering damage as well as the ability to shred the enemy to pieces. however zombies dont feel fear, dont feel pain and will keep coming until their heads are gone. this requires a totally different style of engagement as even if you wipe out the first few waves of zombies with ur aewsome firepower, ur ammo is limited while there are still millions upon millions left. eventually the military panics and is overwhelmed. what the US military ultimately did was retrain the army and introduced a super-durable ak-47 like semiautomatic weapon. they also got rid of the super heavy 60pound+ gear that most soldiers are equipped with, and instead gave them loose clothing. then they reverted back to a 1800s style of 2 lines of ppl shooting constantly. and they have to basically make each shot count, and be replaced as soon as they start feeling tired. we mustnt forget that even with the army, thats still only 1 million people or so. however there are 310million people in america. to have to keep shooting at them while theyre constantly coming and doesnt even show a bit of fear is very nervewrecking on the soldiers I dunno. Sure, you can only kill a zombie by shooting it in its head. That doesn't mean the entire body is invulnerable, and can continue working properly no matter how much damage it takes. Blow a zombie's legs off, or do something to incapacitate it, and you don't have to worry about killing it. In this show at least, the brain stem is apparently what keeps zombie's "alive," so even a broken spine would take one out of a fight. Fire should work wonders too, burning all the muscles and such. Plus, Zombies can't swim or fly, so I have a hard time imagining how they would take out the Navy, and the Air Force would be able to obliterate huge numbers of them in bombing runs. I'm reading World War Z and the author really manages to make a "realistic" picture of how the zombies could overrun most of the world, and why a modern military might be unable to deal effectively with them simply because their weapons were not designed to kill large numbers of "infantry" and are innefficient against zombies. But in The WD the zombies seem weaker and less menacing than those in WWZ, and in the book the US military is just incredibly incompetent in their handling of the situation. Just about any weapon that fires fast or explodes is designed to take out mass infantry don't see how that is realistic. Not against "infantry" that only dies from headshots, that's not affected by explosions the same way a normal human because of differences in physiology and it's invulnerable to the "shock and awe" doctrine of the modern US army, since it feels no fear and will fight to the end. It's all in the book: http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yonkers
pretty sure mortars and the link can easily put sharpnel through the head.....and machine guns just make holes in the general areas all over...........also the fact that if you had tanks...it'd be even easier.
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On January 03 2011 08:35 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 14:35 Blyadischa wrote:On December 15 2010 09:45 CrimsonLotus wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 Sentenal wrote:On December 12 2010 10:10 fuzzy_panda wrote:On December 12 2010 09:09 night terrors wrote:I dont know what you guys are talking about. I can totally see an army being overrun. If the disease spreads out fast enough it wouldnt be a problem. The USA army has around 1 million soldiers between active and reserve effectives. The United States population tallies at around 310 million people acording to estimates. Yeah, sure, a stacked army position could talke thousands of people with them, but its waves and waves of zombies that are coming at them and, like someone said, its completely possible that the zombies they do shoot arent shot on the head and thus remain active. So many things can go wrong that i dont find it unbelievable that a large part of the army was killed off. plus + Show Spoiler +later on in the comics we see small "cities" that flourish and other groups, like armed groups, active totally agree with this. the people who say the army can easily handle this, read 'World War Z'. its quite a good book that explains things like this. just a short recap in the book, the zombie infestation was relatively unknown at the start and it spread way too quickly and before the military had time to analyse and respond, most of america became infected. the army tried to hold out in manhattan using all their missiles, tanks, napalm and firepower, but the zombies just keep coming. most modern weapons are meant to inspire fear into the opponent due to their overpowering damage as well as the ability to shred the enemy to pieces. however zombies dont feel fear, dont feel pain and will keep coming until their heads are gone. this requires a totally different style of engagement as even if you wipe out the first few waves of zombies with ur aewsome firepower, ur ammo is limited while there are still millions upon millions left. eventually the military panics and is overwhelmed. what the US military ultimately did was retrain the army and introduced a super-durable ak-47 like semiautomatic weapon. they also got rid of the super heavy 60pound+ gear that most soldiers are equipped with, and instead gave them loose clothing. then they reverted back to a 1800s style of 2 lines of ppl shooting constantly. and they have to basically make each shot count, and be replaced as soon as they start feeling tired. we mustnt forget that even with the army, thats still only 1 million people or so. however there are 310million people in america. to have to keep shooting at them while theyre constantly coming and doesnt even show a bit of fear is very nervewrecking on the soldiers I dunno. Sure, you can only kill a zombie by shooting it in its head. That doesn't mean the entire body is invulnerable, and can continue working properly no matter how much damage it takes. Blow a zombie's legs off, or do something to incapacitate it, and you don't have to worry about killing it. In this show at least, the brain stem is apparently what keeps zombie's "alive," so even a broken spine would take one out of a fight. Fire should work wonders too, burning all the muscles and such. Plus, Zombies can't swim or fly, so I have a hard time imagining how they would take out the Navy, and the Air Force would be able to obliterate huge numbers of them in bombing runs. I'm reading World War Z and the author really manages to make a "realistic" picture of how the zombies could overrun most of the world, and why a modern military might be unable to deal effectively with them simply because their weapons were not designed to kill large numbers of "infantry" and are innefficient against zombies. But in The WD the zombies seem weaker and less menacing than those in WWZ, and in the book the US military is just incredibly incompetent in their handling of the situation. Just about any weapon that fires fast or explodes is designed to take out mass infantry don't see how that is realistic. Not against "infantry" that only dies from headshots, that's not affected by explosions the same way a normal human because of differences in physiology and it's invulnerable to the "shock and awe" doctrine of the modern US army, since it feels no fear and will fight to the end. It's all in the book: http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yonkers
1. not hard to shoot at zombies heads, unless they are some sort of non-canonical fast moving zombie (haven't read the book)
2. 8 million zombies walking through a highway towards the u.s army, yes, that is completely plausible because 2.5% of the u.s population will congregate at a highway and can swarm through a natural choke point and overrun the military.
3. when any thing composed of organic tissue is hit with a fucking explosive, it blows up, doesn't matter if the head is hit or not, the thing can't move because it doesn't have limbs attached to it. The book is unrealistic in overlooking the damage that explosives can do.
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I read WWZ and while I agree it's pretty good it's full of holes.
The whole turning point, that battle of Yonkers, I just don't believe it.
Basically what they're saying is "we ran out of ammunition" ... seriously ? There were soooo many things like this one that I didn't agree with that in the end I still had my own ideas on how this would work and they were for a large part different than what was written in the book.
Another book about zombies that I actually enjoyed A LOT was "Patient Zero" by Jonathan Maberry.
In this one the author actually explains how people are zombified, and a lot of other details. As the title says, it deals with the very beginning of the epidemic and how the authorities handle it, following one guy in particular.
I also really like the general style. I highly recommend it.
+ Show Spoiler +It even has a sequel where they deal with neo-nazi geneticists and it's even more epic.
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