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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
February 26 2013 10:34 GMT
#6221
On February 25 2013 22:30 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Possible SPOILER. Rumored synopsis of next episode:

http://www.reddit.com/r/thewalkingdead/comments/19644h/show_spoiler_rumored_episode_12_synopsis/


Next ep seems like it will be awesome if this is true.

The poignancy of the orange backback. MFW: =O
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Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
February 26 2013 12:41 GMT
#6222
I find it funny that there is no end to the zombies, but i guess that is the whole premise of the show. Also, why in hell are all the guards at woodbury guarding the same wall?
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Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
February 26 2013 13:03 GMT
#6223
On February 26 2013 01:23 Appendix wrote:
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On February 25 2013 23:54 Conti wrote:
On February 25 2013 23:45 Sent. wrote:
Can someone explain to me why is Governor so hostile to strangers? Firstly I thought that he just wants to keep the location of Woodbury secret but that wouldn't explain collecting heads and the whole situation with Glenn and Maggie.

He's insane. Simple as that. He sees threats to his safety in everything.

That is something I have somewhat of a problem with. I can't see a scenario where a person like that could have risen to that kind of uncontested leadership in the life-or-death reality they exist in. I can't see the survivors that make out the population of Woodbury being that naive and gullible, and be fine with not having a word about how they allocate their resources and what the general direction of their small society should be. They are not that many, you really would have to go out of your way not to be involved.


The citizens of Woodbury only cares about having a roof over their heads, food and safety from Walkers. The Governor can provide all of that so from their perspective hes a good leader that looks after them, they dont know about his insanity.

I feel like the Governor could have recruited Ricks group without a lot of conflict but then there would be no plot lol

Andrea is in a pretty tough situation. If she stays in the prison she gets annihilated with Ricks group on the other hand if she sides with Woodbury then she is safe and gets to live under pretty nice conditions but she will have blood on her hands. Andrea is pretty annoying but she gets a lot of unnecessary hate. Can you really blame her for what she has done up until now? All she wants is a normal life and Woodbury is as close as you get in a zombie apocalyse..
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
February 26 2013 18:30 GMT
#6224
On February 26 2013 22:03 Bowzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 01:23 Appendix wrote:
On February 25 2013 23:54 Conti wrote:
On February 25 2013 23:45 Sent. wrote:
Can someone explain to me why is Governor so hostile to strangers? Firstly I thought that he just wants to keep the location of Woodbury secret but that wouldn't explain collecting heads and the whole situation with Glenn and Maggie.

He's insane. Simple as that. He sees threats to his safety in everything.

That is something I have somewhat of a problem with. I can't see a scenario where a person like that could have risen to that kind of uncontested leadership in the life-or-death reality they exist in. I can't see the survivors that make out the population of Woodbury being that naive and gullible, and be fine with not having a word about how they allocate their resources and what the general direction of their small society should be. They are not that many, you really would have to go out of your way not to be involved.


The citizens of Woodbury only cares about having a roof over their heads, food and safety from Walkers. The Governor can provide all of that so from their perspective hes a good leader that looks after them, they dont know about his insanity.

I feel like the Governor could have recruited Ricks group without a lot of conflict but then there would be no plot lol

Andrea is in a pretty tough situation. If she stays in the prison she gets annihilated with Ricks group on the other hand if she sides with Woodbury then she is safe and gets to live under pretty nice conditions but she will have blood on her hands. Andrea is pretty annoying but she gets a lot of unnecessary hate. Can you really blame her for what she has done up until now? All she wants is a normal life and Woodbury is as close as you get in a zombie apocalyse..


for wanting a normal life in the zombie apocalypse, i.e. the siren call of the worst characters in the show?
for being monumentally indecisive in a fashion that isn't fun to watch?
for constantly bitching and haranguing other people who really have no reason to put up with her abuse? (that "you poisoned them against me..." line last episode was...wow)

she shifts between utter surety and not knowing what in the world to do with herself so often that it goes beyond vulnerability and all the way into harming my immersion in the setting via her still being alive. she is narrative cancer, and my best wishes to her actress who does her best with the material she's handed, but the character deserves a swift exit from this season.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
February 26 2013 18:35 GMT
#6225
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 26 2013 21:12 GMT
#6226
On February 26 2013 14:07 politik wrote:
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On February 26 2013 08:21 Zealotdriver wrote:
When the fuck are they going to kill off Andrea? Honestly, get it over with. Her stupidity is nauseating.


I like to think I'm pretty understanding towards characters, hell I didn't even mind Skyler from Breaking Bad. But Andrea is just the most useless, waste of time, terribly written character I can think of right now. I feel like if she didn't exist in the show, it would be like 30% shorter and exactly as enjoyable. Not to mention her bad plastic surgery ducklips face, I can't understand it. I just hate every possible detail.



her mannerisms are also on the annoying side
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purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
February 28 2013 17:21 GMT
#6227
On February 27 2013 03:35 Inori wrote:
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On February 26 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote:
On February 26 2013 06:05 Scorcher2k wrote:
Not to self though, when I have the money to prepare for the zombie appocolypse don't just buy a katana, learn how to sharpen it well. :D


Of all the "appocalypses" humanity may or may not have to face one day, a zombie appocalypse seems to be the less threatful.

Think about it:
Everyone know the symptoms of a zombie infection.
Everyone already have their plans panned out in case it hits.

My guess would be that if such a plague would one day hit us, it most likely wouldn't last too long.

I recommend going to a huge sale (like Black Friday at Wallmart).
See for yourself how disorganized and animalistic humans can get over cheap stuff they don't even need. Then imagine what will happen when it's actual survival at stake.


Black Friday = people getting trampled to death at walmart and then taking 1.5 hours to clear out of the store even though the walmarts closed all registers and refused to sell goods due to the deaths of the people trampled...

So see what happens when you put one case of Dasani water, 4 people and 1 knife and 10 zombies within 1 acre of eachother... You'd have the next hunger games...zombie style.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1545 Posts
February 28 2013 23:10 GMT
#6228
I cannot understand all this Andrea hate, yes she was annoying in season two but her first episode of season 3 was probably the best episode of the season where the governor was introduced. The Woodbury stuff I find very interesting and she plays a major role in what we see of that. And regarding people not understanding her not killing the governor; when you have feelings for someone it's very hard to be rational, often you realise after how naive or blind you have been but when you're first infatuated with them you'll overlook it.
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TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
March 01 2013 01:20 GMT
#6229
On March 01 2013 08:10 moktira wrote:
I cannot understand all this Andrea hate, yes she was annoying in season two but her first episode of season 3 was probably the best episode of the season where the governor was introduced. The Woodbury stuff I find very interesting and she plays a major role in what we see of that. And regarding people not understanding her not killing the governor; when you have feelings for someone it's very hard to be rational, often you realise after how naive or blind you have been but when you're first infatuated with them you'll overlook it.


what major role does she play in woodbury that only her character could represent to the audience? how is andrea perfect for the job? seems to me like it's just a convenience to have a voice for the faceless woodbury masses that they can also spin into empty drama every week until she finally wises the fuck up and leaves like she should have done the first time she saw the governor's head collection.

you're presupposing the rationale, even in emotional terms, on why she should have fallen in love with the governor in the first place. that never made any thematic sense, becase outside of her limited perspective the audience knows he's a psycho, and even then ignoring that we're back to that even if you love somebody, once they're meditating on rows of zombie heads every night it might be best to leave until they get their shit together.

go ahead and like the show still, that's your opinion, but saying you can't understand why people don't like andrea is pretty absurd, especially after this last episode where they dared to devote most of the running time to her only to have her be in the exact same position in the end as she was at the start.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 01 2013 10:17 GMT
#6230
For Andrea to assassinate the Governor in cold blood was too much to ask, I can understand that, but she could have said right away that she's unwilling or unable to do it. This way, the prison folks put hope in her that she cannot fulfill. I'm guessing she'll continue fruitlessly to try and find a peaceful solution and stay neutral, and it will come to a battle where she'll eventually kill the Governor to save someone's life.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1545 Posts
March 01 2013 10:46 GMT
#6231
On March 01 2013 10:20 TheExile19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 08:10 moktira wrote:
I cannot understand all this Andrea hate, yes she was annoying in season two but her first episode of season 3 was probably the best episode of the season where the governor was introduced. The Woodbury stuff I find very interesting and she plays a major role in what we see of that. And regarding people not understanding her not killing the governor; when you have feelings for someone it's very hard to be rational, often you realise after how naive or blind you have been but when you're first infatuated with them you'll overlook it.


what major role does she play in woodbury that only her character could represent to the audience? how is andrea perfect for the job? seems to me like it's just a convenience to have a voice for the faceless woodbury masses that they can also spin into empty drama every week until she finally wises the fuck up and leaves like she should have done the first time she saw the governor's head collection.

you're presupposing the rationale, even in emotional terms, on why she should have fallen in love with the governor in the first place. that never made any thematic sense, becase outside of her limited perspective the audience knows he's a psycho, and even then ignoring that we're back to that even if you love somebody, once they're meditating on rows of zombie heads every night it might be best to leave until they get their shit together.

go ahead and like the show still, that's your opinion, but saying you can't understand why people don't like andrea is pretty absurd, especially after this last episode where they dared to devote most of the running time to her only to have her be in the exact same position in the end as she was at the start.

I don't mean she plays a major role in the politics of Woodbury, but in how we perceive Woodbury, i.e. what you describe as a convenience here. From her point of view we also get to see some of the civilians so it's not entirely shown from the Governor's perspective. Perhaps you're right that she as such is not necessary but it needs to be someone and it's easier if it's someone from the group who we already knew. The point you make that she should wise up and leave could be made about a lot of the characters in Woodbury; look at Milton, he's terrified of the Governor and knows a lot more of what he's capable of than Andrea.

What you say in the second paragraph I'm not sure I fully agree with, my point would be what you say; her perspective of the governor is limited compared to the audience, she does not know and is only coming to realise what kind of person he is. She doesn't know he meditated in front of those heads, he passed it off by saying something like they were to remind him of the sacrifices that were necessary or something, not that they were people he murdered in cold blood. Before she met him she spent a Winter with Michonne after having lost her friends and then was sick. Then they get to Woodbury, it's a protected town, she has a possibility of a relatively normal life and no longer needs to run. She finds the leader attractive, he's very charming and they get together. Have you ever been involved with someone who realise after was a terrible person? All your friends can tell you and you won't see it until you make the realisation yourself. That's what this episode was about, she is coming (slowly) to the realisation that the Governor is not who she thought he was. Sure it dragged, there was unnecessary parts like in every episode and it could have been a lot better done. I'm not even saying it was a particularly good episode. But she didn't really do anything that made me hate on her in it.

There are a lot of problems with this show, I regularly feel it's lacking, multiple times during season two I almost gave up on it. There is some very poor dialogue --eg. Andrea's cliched speech a few episodes ago. But as her character goes in this season, I don't understand the hate.
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TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 11:52:00
March 01 2013 11:46 GMT
#6232
On March 01 2013 19:46 moktira wrote:

I don't mean she plays a major role in the politics of Woodbury, but in how we perceive Woodbury, i.e. what you describe as a convenience here. From her point of view we also get to see some of the civilians so it's not entirely shown from the Governor's perspective. Perhaps you're right that she as such is not necessary but it needs to be someone and it's easier if it's someone from the group who we already knew. The point you make that she should wise up and leave could be made about a lot of the characters in Woodbury; look at Milton, he's terrified of the Governor and knows a lot more of what he's capable of than Andrea.

What you say in the second paragraph I'm not sure I fully agree with, my point would be what you say; her perspective of the governor is limited compared to the audience, she does not know and is only coming to realise what kind of person he is. She doesn't know he meditated in front of those heads, he passed it off by saying something like they were to remind him of the sacrifices that were necessary or something, not that they were people he murdered in cold blood. Before she met him she spent a Winter with Michonne after having lost her friends and then was sick. Then they get to Woodbury, it's a protected town, she has a possibility of a relatively normal life and no longer needs to run. She finds the leader attractive, he's very charming and they get together. Have you ever been involved with someone who realise after was a terrible person? All your friends can tell you and you won't see it until you make the realisation yourself. That's what this episode was about, she is coming (slowly) to the realisation that the Governor is not who she thought he was. Sure it dragged, there was unnecessary parts like in every episode and it could have been a lot better done. I'm not even saying it was a particularly good episode. But she didn't really do anything that made me hate on her in it.

There are a lot of problems with this show, I regularly feel it's lacking, multiple times during season two I almost gave up on it. There is some very poor dialogue --eg. Andrea's cliched speech a few episodes ago. But as her character goes in this season, I don't understand the hate.


warning: mad shit being talked on TWD writing. paragraphs ahoy.

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milton is a good example to bring up because he's at least consistently milquetoast whereas andrea is constantly shifting between drinking the governor's koolaid and ripping him to shreds based on whatever the plot needs her to feel that episode to serve as the voicebox for woodbury. where milton pretty clearly has no initiative/survival skills of his own and would never leave, andrea clearly does but somehow can't see past the barely-there machinations of the governor, and the excuse is that she really likes him or something even though the miniscule efforts of goodwill he put towards her in the first half-season should have been squandered by:

- zombie cage matches
- zombie heads
- zombie daughter in crawlspace

when you combine this absurd ambivalence towards the most basic questions of allegiance or decision making with her arrogance towards, well, every other character, somehow I find myself saying that lori has been surpassed as the stupidest character in TWD. even worse is that the writers clearly understand what they've done because this entire last episode was structured around the fact that nobody can just be allowed to tell andrea what's going on. we will note that she still isn't aware of the full extent of what happened to glenn and maggie and doesn't have michonne's full story because for some fucking reason nobody ever gets around to mentioning these things while she's ranting at rick's group or she can't be asked to shut up and listen. if that happened, the bare semblance of tension they're trying to go for as we bridge these last agonizing weeks to the final episode of this season just evaporates, from barely-there to nonexistent. meanwhile as these obvious problems just bubble up in stark view, this last episode pretends everything is fine while advancing literally no other plot points forward except tyreese, and we get the least necessary scene ever at the end with the assassination-that-never-could-have-been.

the writing in this show is indefensible. it's always been barely, barely serviceable, but these last few episodes have wrecked any sense of pacing or immersion because the subpar construction of the plot and the way episodes are filled is just impossible to ignore.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1545 Posts
March 01 2013 13:17 GMT
#6233
I've no quarrels with what you say about the writing, I thought in the second season part of the problem was they could have done what they did in about 4 episodes but they had 13 so they really dragged it out. They're doing the same here now, they've 5 more episodes to go and they probably only need 1.

I personally do not find Andrea overly arrogant towards other characters, sure she's judgmental but some people are (I am!). Ambivalence towards questions of allegiance is understandable, she likes the people of Woodbury, she still has feelings for the Governor but also has strong ties to her old friends. Now she finds out that Shane --who she was previously involved with-- was killed by Rick and only has Rick's side of the story so is a little distrustful. Not surprising.

I don't think you can rationalise feelings towards someone of the opposite sex, if you are infatuated with someone and in a bad place you can overlook almost anything (reminds me a little of "The Third Man", one of my favourite films). The governor managed to pass off the three issues you said; zombie daughter he thought could be cured, zombie heads a reminder of the sacrifice necessary and the zombie cage matches to get the people not afraid of them. I'm not saying I agree, but from Andrea's perspective if she has strong feelings for him she can just about accept them. You can see that she doesn't fully in that she actually does consider killing him (not that that was ever going to happen in this episode) but she is conflicted and I personally think that's understandable. After having been involved with someone for a few months that for about a million reasons any rational mind could have told me I should not be involved with, I guess I feel I can relate to her a little.

One reason I can accept for people hating her is because she's not like who she is in the comics so perhaps are disappointed by that. But I don't agree with hating her because of her feeling for the governor or not being sure where her allegiance lies.
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purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
March 01 2013 14:28 GMT
#6234
isn't the above posts the reason why this showrunner/writer was fired. There was obvious flaws. Very obvious flaws. While the third season started out better the 2nd half has been very lackluster.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 21:08:14
March 02 2013 20:18 GMT
#6235
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[image loading]

So my father made a blitz through the first few seasons this week, I find this text on my phone this afternoon. He has quite the distaste for young master Carl.
Smokincoyote
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia57 Posts
March 03 2013 06:19 GMT
#6236
I only read back the last couple of pages so if somebody has already brought this up my bad. But in the latest ep (ep 11) when the governor was checking his eye and putting on his eye patch in front of the mirror, is it just me or was it on the wrong side of his face?

It looks to me like he is missing his eye on his left hand side.Then when the scientist guy walks in and he turns around, the eye patch is on the right side (as it normally is). Am I missing something or did they really screw up which eye was which?
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LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 07:45:33
March 03 2013 07:22 GMT
#6237
@Smokincoyote - .rorriM (edit: no one saw that)

On March 01 2013 23:28 purecarnagge wrote:
isn't the above posts the reason why this showrunner/writer was fired. There was obvious flaws. Very obvious flaws. While the third season started out better the 2nd half has been very lackluster.

Reportedly, Glen Mazzara clashed with a lot of the staff, especially with Robert Kirkman. The new executive producer, Scott Gimple, barely has a track record. He did write most of the best episodes for season 2, so he has that going for them. Scott Gimple's ideas on where the show should go is probably much more in line; that's the only good reason I can think of for replacing Glen Mazzara with Scott Gimple (from my perspective, of course).
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 23:12:28
March 03 2013 07:40 GMT
#6238
On March 03 2013 16:22 LoLAdriankat wrote:
@Smokincoyote - .rriroM

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On March 01 2013 23:28 purecarnagge wrote:
isn't the above posts the reason why this showrunner/writer was fired. There was obvious flaws. Very obvious flaws. While the third season started out better the 2nd half has been very lackluster.

Reportedly, Glen Mazzara clashed with a lot of the staff, especially with Robert Kirkman. The new executive producer, Scott Gimple, barely has a track record. He did write most of the best episodes for season 2, so he has that going for them. Scott Gimple's ideas on where the show should go is probably much more in line; that's the only good reason I can think of for replacing Glen Mazzara with Scott Gimple (from my perspective, of course).


+ Show Spoiler +
What's a Morrir?

:D

I didn't even (and don't plan on) watch last weeks episode. Based on what I've read here all that I missed was Tyrese joining with the governor and that black guy from the first season coming back?


MOD EDIT: I put your post in spoilers because it apparently contains spoilers.
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Soupz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2 Posts
March 03 2013 08:33 GMT
#6239
On March 03 2013 15:19 Smokincoyote wrote:
It looks to me like he is missing his eye on his left hand side.Then when the scientist guy walks in and he turns around, the eye patch is on the right side (as it normally is). Am I missing something or did they really screw up which eye was which?


He was looking towards the mirror during that particular scene
Smokincoyote
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia57 Posts
March 03 2013 09:31 GMT
#6240
On March 03 2013 17:33 Soupz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 15:19 Smokincoyote wrote:
It looks to me like he is missing his eye on his left hand side.Then when the scientist guy walks in and he turns around, the eye patch is on the right side (as it normally is). Am I missing something or did they really screw up which eye was which?


He was looking towards the mirror during that particular scene


Yeah he was looking at the mirror and the eye on the right was the injured one. Then when he turns around, it should be his right eye that the patch is over (assuming physics, relativity ect) but the patch is over his eye on the left hand side...
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