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+ Show Spoiler +Christ... Carl sounds mad obnoxious in the next episode. Cool to see Morgan back and I like how crazy he has gotten. Sucks for that straggler with the orange backpack though. It is a nice touch to end the episode with the group driving by, pick up the backpack, and driving off. Shows how cruel the world made them
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The Andrea issue is simple. She wants to help her original group because she cares about them and feels like she is still apart of that group. She doesn't want to kill the Governor because that means she has to admit to herself she was wrong twice, once with Shane and now with the Governor. She wants to believe she made the right decision by trusting him.
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On February 26 2013 04:30 Scorcher2k wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 04:20 politik wrote:
All you need is a spear and a mirror taped to a baseball cap or something, and you can kill infinity zombies. Especially the ezmode zombies on this show. And ya, I'm pretty sure realistically a sword would get stuck in the first vertebra it hits and stay there forever. Realistically a sword like that can easily chop up concrete so I have a hard time believing it wouldn't easily cut through zombies.
Thing is, people often overestimate the power of the katana and underestimate the role of the bearer. It takes some skills to use properly, and even more to be consistent with it. If you are not consistent, the cutting power will drop very fast, and good luck sharpening that on the field (which is also another hard skill to master by the way). In the case of the katana and other pure cutting sword, once the sharpeness is gone, so is your killing power (no weight to make up for it).
I could go on but I think you'll get the point. So, Michonne, for a comic character, perfect. For real life, smart ? I think not.
Edit : Easily cut through concrete ? Could you provide a link of some sort ? I know very good katanas back then could cut through armor to some extent, but I haven't found anything about concrete, and I hardly imagine that being easy. Although it doesn't change that it would indeed easily cut through zombies in competent hands (again, back then, they had cutting contest on dead bodies, they managed to get something like 7 on one swipe).
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On February 26 2013 04:52 Cynry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 04:30 Scorcher2k wrote:On February 26 2013 04:20 politik wrote:
All you need is a spear and a mirror taped to a baseball cap or something, and you can kill infinity zombies. Especially the ezmode zombies on this show. And ya, I'm pretty sure realistically a sword would get stuck in the first vertebra it hits and stay there forever. Realistically a sword like that can easily chop up concrete so I have a hard time believing it wouldn't easily cut through zombies. Thing is, people often overestimate the power of the katana and underestimate the role of the bearer. It takes some skills to use properly, and even more to be consistent with it. If you are not consistent, the cutting power will drop very fast, and good luck sharpening that on the field (which is also another hard skill to master by the way). In the case of the katana and other pure cutting sword, once the sharpeness is gone, so is your killing power (no weight to make up for it). I could go on but I think you'll get the point. So, Michonne, for a comic character, perfect. For real life, smart ? I think not. Edit : Easily cut through concrete ? Could you provide a link of some sort ? I know very good katanas back then could cut through armor to some extent, but I haven't found anything about concrete, and I hardly imagine that being easy. Although it doesn't change that it would indeed easily cut through zombies in competent hands (again, back then, they had cutting contest on dead bodies, they managed to get something like 7 on one swipe).
I looked for the video that I watched a while back but couldn't find it. Some american katana making company made a video of them taking one of their swords outside to the road and just swinging down at the ground cutting up the cement. Not to self though, when I have the money to prepare for the zombie appocolypse don't just buy a katana, learn how to sharpen it well. :D
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On February 26 2013 06:05 Scorcher2k wrote:
Not to self though, when I have the money to prepare for the zombie appocolypse don't just buy a katana, learn how to sharpen it well. :D
Of all the "appocalypses" humanity may or may not have to face one day, a zombie appocalypse seems to be the less threatful.
Think about it:
Everyone know the symptoms of a zombie infection.
Everyone already have their plans panned out in case it hits.
My guess would be that if such a plague would one day hit us, it most likely wouldn't last too long.
On the show:
I was one of the few to actually enjoy season 2. Despite the lack of action, I felt like they knew where they were going with the characters. Tensions were high between Rick/Shane/Lori and the quiet, remote location what somewhat refreshing to me. I can't put my finger on the exact reason, but this season isn't holding up. I'm not sure if it's the script, the acting, the filming or what but it is hardly the same show we had in previous seasons.
I also hate the fact they just steamroll zombies like it's nothing now. I mean, I get that they learned how to deal with them and all but they're not even a factor anymore.
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On February 26 2013 04:52 Cynry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 04:30 Scorcher2k wrote:On February 26 2013 04:20 politik wrote:
All you need is a spear and a mirror taped to a baseball cap or something, and you can kill infinity zombies. Especially the ezmode zombies on this show. And ya, I'm pretty sure realistically a sword would get stuck in the first vertebra it hits and stay there forever. Realistically a sword like that can easily chop up concrete so I have a hard time believing it wouldn't easily cut through zombies. Thing is, people often overestimate the power of the katana and underestimate the role of the bearer. It takes some skills to use properly, and even more to be consistent with it. If you are not consistent, the cutting power will drop very fast, and good luck sharpening that on the field (which is also another hard skill to master by the way). In the case of the katana and other pure cutting sword, once the sharpeness is gone, so is your killing power (no weight to make up for it). I could go on but I think you'll get the point. So, Michonne, for a comic character, perfect. For real life, smart ? I think not. Edit : Easily cut through concrete ? Could you provide a link of some sort ? I know very good katanas back then could cut through armor to some extent, but I haven't found anything about concrete, and I hardly imagine that being easy. Although it doesn't change that it would indeed easily cut through zombies in competent hands (again, back then, they had cutting contest on dead bodies, they managed to get something like 7 on one swipe).
What armor? Japanese didn't have metal armors. Katana was perfectly good for wood armors of that area, but would have sucked in Europe. It is a myth that Katana is a better weapon then western swords. Myth made by the way they were made. The thing is metal was of low quality in Japan, masterwork katana was as good as a proper western sword made of quality metal that was available in Europe. And Europe weapons were made for fighting metal armors while katana only for maximum damage against unprotected flesh.
BTW the guy talking about modern day Katana cutting concrete, that has nothing to do with Katana, but the quality of metal and modern ways to crafting weapons. Also I am sure such a weapon needs to be custom made and is not equal to random Katana being sold over the internet.
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(maybe we should start a new topic for this)
I'm no expert on Japan history, and neither is wikipedia I guess, but I have a link here that says otherwise (just google japanese armor). Iron pieces held together by leather. Maybe the time period doesn't match with katanas, honestly I don't know much, just read some random stuff years ago when I was into that.
But anyway, what you said makes sense. Katana isn't the ultimate weapon, only a very specialized one. The thing about metal quality would explain why they forged those things that way, layering like mad men to get a homogeneous result.
@concrete thing : you sure it wasn't tar ? I really can't imagine any blade actually cutting concrete. Breaking it, sure, but a clean cut ?
I even just looked at some rockwell (measurement of hardness) values of concrete, if my memory is right it's about the same as steel (with more variation though). So yeah, seems weird...
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On February 26 2013 03:36 TheExile19 wrote:
if it's blood and gore vs. an entire episode of andrea and her utterly broken characterization, I know which one I'm opting for. it's not hard to use internal logic to justify character motivation, that doesn't mean that anyone wants to see the most obviously false-tension sequence of andrea out of bed pretending she's going to stab the one guy that drives the plot the hardest.
there were some okay bits outside all the andrea, but overall this episode had me bored and angry in fits and starts. it's really a new low, I think, that fortunately doesn't look like it'll be repeated next episode because there's no way it can get worse with what we saw in the preview.
I've seen your posts throughout the last pages and I am stunned that you are singling out the last three episodes as bad, as opposed to all three seasons. The show has never been what you describe it should be. It has never had a very good way of developing interesting characters. The characters have jumped here and there for whatever reason to complement the shit that goes on. Very few characters have been consistent, and very few have had a comprehensive, developing storyline. Through all three seasons there has been countless logical flaws, and the writers have built uninteresting storylines as filler in order to fill up a whole season.
People seem to put this show on such a pedestal simply because it has more depth than the sorry excuses of zombie movies from the past 10 years like Day of the dead and land of the dead or whatever "of the dead" awfulness you can find. Just because it has more depth doesn't mean it is comparable to shows like Sopranos or Game of Thrones who succeed in their genre precisely because they hit the nail on it's head when it came to script, character development and building believeable, interesting storylines.
So I find it very weird for a guy like you, who is obviously smart enough to see through the stuff that is happening now, why this didn't happen earlier through for example season 2. The show is decent enough for me to watch it, it has some good entertainment value, but I go into it knowing that it is just not a fantastic show. That you get angry because the show does no longer meet your standards boggles my mind, because I don't really see a lot of change through the season.
Oh and I'm pretty sure they set the different seasons in particular areas because of their budget. To be on the move for new sets all the time I'm sure would be quite expensive. I do agree with what you wrote in an earlier post about Rick and a few others being on the move, but I think there's a reason why they do not do it that way.
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On February 25 2013 20:33 Jankisa wrote:
I don't get it, is Andrea not welcome or is she going back to Woodbury just to fuck and kill the Governor?
Either way, it makes no sense at all. Everyone in the world knew there is no way she is not gonna kill him in his sleep, but she chooses to go back there and fuck a murderous lunatic that she knows without any doubt has nothing but killing the other group on his mind. She knows he sent merle to kill machone, she knows he has fucking heads in his room, she knows he lied about the group and is training an army to kill them and she still goes and sleeps with a psychopath that could snap and kill her at any time, and they even give her a car to go, amazing.
I could understand if there was some discussion, like a few minutes of Andrea are you sure you want to do this, Andrea are you aware in how much danger you will be in, etc. But all we get is 4 minutes of a teenager singing Tom Waits song, a few words between Rick and Hershel and 2 minute sequence of her driving to get her from prison to the town and 3 minutes of fake tension at the respective gates.
Do you really think they'd kill off the governor before the finale -- if at all this season? It's called tension.
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When the fuck are they going to kill off Andrea? Honestly, get it over with. Her stupidity is nauseating.
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i'm normally not a hater of this show and get along pretty well with all the previous episodes. Even a decent half of season 2. But this was by far my least favorite episode. I wanted Andrea to kill the governor and then kill herself. She did neither and that made the episode all the worst.
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On February 26 2013 07:21 Ballack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 03:36 TheExile19 wrote:
if it's blood and gore vs. an entire episode of andrea and her utterly broken characterization, I know which one I'm opting for. it's not hard to use internal logic to justify character motivation, that doesn't mean that anyone wants to see the most obviously false-tension sequence of andrea out of bed pretending she's going to stab the one guy that drives the plot the hardest.
there were some okay bits outside all the andrea, but overall this episode had me bored and angry in fits and starts. it's really a new low, I think, that fortunately doesn't look like it'll be repeated next episode because there's no way it can get worse with what we saw in the preview. I've seen your posts throughout the last pages and I am stunned that you are singling out the last three episodes as bad, as opposed to all three seasons. The show has never been what you describe it should be. It has never had a very good way of developing interesting characters. The characters have jumped here and there for whatever reason to complement the shit that goes on. Very few characters have been consistent, and very few have had a comprehensive, developing storyline. Through all three seasons there has been countless logical flaws, and the writers have built uninteresting storylines as filler in order to fill up a whole season. People seem to put this show on such a pedestal simply because it has more depth than the sorry excuses of zombie movies from the past 10 years like Day of the dead and land of the dead or whatever "of the dead" awfulness you can find. Just because it has more depth doesn't mean it is comparable to shows like Sopranos or Game of Thrones who succeed in their genre precisely because they hit the nail on it's head when it came to script, character development and building believeable, interesting storylines. So I find it very weird for a guy like you, who is obviously smart enough to see through the stuff that is happening now, why this didn't happen earlier through for example season 2. The show is decent enough for me to watch it, it has some good entertainment value, but I go into it knowing that it is just not a fantastic show. That you get angry because the show does no longer meet your standards boggles my mind, because I don't really see a lot of change through the season. Oh and I'm pretty sure they set the different seasons in particular areas because of their budget. To be on the move for new sets all the time I'm sure would be quite expensive. I do agree with what you wrote in an earlier post about Rick and a few others being on the move, but I think there's a reason why they do not do it that way.
you're absolutely right, of course (the TWD road trip idea was pure wishful thinking), but as for turning on critic mode towards this show - as opposed to putting that aspect of my viewership on hiatus which is what I did through season 1 and most of season 2 - that only happened when three crucial issues overlapped:
- the main plot became utterly predictable. (rick vs. the governor is this season in a nutshell, and we have to milk that for as long as possible. sophia may have been a stalling tactic, but at least we had rick vs. shane and general uncertainty abounded. better, I cared about that uncertainty.)
- a pattern, that the main plot becomes stretched miserably thin to fit the constraints of the budget and the season structure, was confirmed. (this last episode they are literally. doing. nothing.)
- the poor writing/characterization that you're referring to.
when all of this coalesces, this perfect storm of yawn, you have a predictable main plot and yet it barely gets advanced in any given episode in favor of focusing on the poorly written characters. season 1 had novelty and excuses on its side ("they'll get a little better at this as they go"...) but it really hasn't been this way. the first half of season 3 was fun because it turned the survival equation heretofore on its head - from barely ekeing out an existence to the entire group being competent - and this was fun for a few episodes, then the newness of the governor took over and got us a little farther up to the midseason break, but going into the new year all of that is basically over. we're back to watching them cooped up not doing shit, having cliched conversations that don't mean anything because they're utterly opaque, and when the action does happen it's either zombie killing that got old for me long ago or badly filmed action shootouts where you can practically see the outlines of the plot armor on these characters as the bullets whiz by.
I legitimately think this show is out of things to say or do, to the point where I don't see it going beyond the fourth season. that's okay in my book, it had a middling run with average-to-good quality the whole way and I'll probably finish out this season because it can only be up from here.
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Season 1 and 2 were fantastic IMO. I haven't enjoyed season 3 nearly as much as the other two, and I'm actually starting to lose interest in the series  . I miss it being about traveling and survival rather than prison hold vs governor town that it's turning out to be.
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On February 26 2013 09:00 Deadlyhazard wrote:Season 1 and 2 were fantastic IMO. I haven't enjoyed season 3 nearly as much as the other two, and I'm actually starting to lose interest in the series . I miss it being about traveling and survival rather than prison hold vs governor town that it's turning out to be.
I hated season 2, spent the whole season jerking around on a farm with very little happening. Meanwhile I'm loving season 3, Its all opinion I guess.
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On February 26 2013 09:00 Deadlyhazard wrote:Season 1 and 2 were fantastic IMO. I haven't enjoyed season 3 nearly as much as the other two, and I'm actually starting to lose interest in the series . I miss it being about traveling and survival rather than prison hold vs governor town that it's turning out to be.
I don't know, I really enjoyed Season 1, and I liked parts of Season 2 but I felt that Season 2 had a pretty weak ending. Season 3 has had it's moments so far, Rick's grief earlier this season was really well done, but now it's more than a little weird. After the last couple episodes I'm certainly losing interest in the series .. They have a few characters that they could be working on developing but they're all sitting on the sidelines undeveloped while Rick is having a slap fight with the Governor.
Unless they drag this angle out quite a bit I feel that the Gov, who is an awesome character, is also going to feel underdeveloped when his story arc ends.
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On February 26 2013 06:50 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 04:52 Cynry wrote:On February 26 2013 04:30 Scorcher2k wrote:On February 26 2013 04:20 politik wrote:
All you need is a spear and a mirror taped to a baseball cap or something, and you can kill infinity zombies. Especially the ezmode zombies on this show. And ya, I'm pretty sure realistically a sword would get stuck in the first vertebra it hits and stay there forever. Realistically a sword like that can easily chop up concrete so I have a hard time believing it wouldn't easily cut through zombies. Thing is, people often overestimate the power of the katana and underestimate the role of the bearer. It takes some skills to use properly, and even more to be consistent with it. If you are not consistent, the cutting power will drop very fast, and good luck sharpening that on the field (which is also another hard skill to master by the way). In the case of the katana and other pure cutting sword, once the sharpeness is gone, so is your killing power (no weight to make up for it). I could go on but I think you'll get the point. So, Michonne, for a comic character, perfect. For real life, smart ? I think not. Edit : Easily cut through concrete ? Could you provide a link of some sort ? I know very good katanas back then could cut through armor to some extent, but I haven't found anything about concrete, and I hardly imagine that being easy. Although it doesn't change that it would indeed easily cut through zombies in competent hands (again, back then, they had cutting contest on dead bodies, they managed to get something like 7 on one swipe). What armor? Japanese didn't have metal armors. Katana was perfectly good for wood armors of that area, but would have sucked in Europe. It is a myth that Katana is a better weapon then western swords. Myth made by the way they were made. The thing is metal was of low quality in Japan, masterwork katana was as good as a proper western sword made of quality metal that was available in Europe. And Europe weapons were made for fighting metal armors while katana only for maximum damage against unprotected flesh. BTW the guy talking about modern day Katana cutting concrete, that has nothing to do with Katana, but the quality of metal and modern ways to crafting weapons. Also I am sure such a weapon needs to be custom made and is not equal to random Katana being sold over the internet.
Well if you guys are talking about realistic, you also have to account for the fact that Zombies are weaker than normal people. Granted, we don't know a lot about the virus and realistically zombies might not even be possible but assuming they are, their complete lack of nutrition should make them really easy to slice through. Not to mention all the diseases/infections they probably have from open wounds. It's a miracle that most of them can even walk.
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The storyline for the next episode was leaked and it looks like a good one, it's pretty damn dark as well. I'm excited for this one.
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I really like this episode even though it didn't have much action at all. It really set up the next episode well, and hopefully the Gov and Andrea both die to michonne.
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On February 26 2013 08:21 Zealotdriver wrote:
When the fuck are they going to kill off Andrea? Honestly, get it over with. Her stupidity is nauseating.
I like to think I'm pretty understanding towards characters, hell I didn't even mind Skyler from Breaking Bad. But Andrea is just the most useless, waste of time, terribly written character I can think of right now. I feel like if she didn't exist in the show, it would be like 30% shorter and exactly as enjoyable. Not to mention her bad plastic surgery ducklips face, I can't understand it. I just hate every possible detail.
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