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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On February 21 2013 00:57 nitram wrote: Director should get punched in the face for that gun fight. I haven't seen a gunfight that bad since the 80's For a mid-season television series you're expecting a bit much... I'm just happy there's more regular action than last season. | ||
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hai2u
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 21 2013 14:46 hai2u wrote: I watch this show for the zombies, not the crappy human drama that I can get in other shows. You picked the wrong show. If you want to have focus on Zombies, watch Dead Set. Its a short series, but its fun to watch. Seems a bit cheap and cheesy in the beginning, but is actually entertaining. | ||
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TurnipThrowingPeach
United States151 Posts
On February 21 2013 13:10 icystorage wrote: *sigh* they killed moustache guy made me sad I know, I was sad, too. Also had a feeling the whole time he was a wrongly accused simpleton, with a creepy kind of flair. lol Plus he was going to hook up with Carol probably and mating is always good to bring brack the human population...IF they find a cure to the virus. ^o^ | ||
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fartosis77
Belgium461 Posts
On February 21 2013 17:10 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote: ...IF they find a cure to the virus. ^o^ They won't find it as they can't be bothered to look for it. All they care about is slowly dehydrating and starving themselves in a prison while they lose men left right and center ^_^'~ | ||
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TurnipThrowingPeach
United States151 Posts
On February 21 2013 17:21 fartosis77 wrote: They won't find it as they can't be bothered to look for it. All they care about is slowly dehydrating and starving themselves in a prison while they lose men left right and center ^_^'~ Well ya, of course they are going to camp out at the prison!  I didn't mean the actual group finding a cure. More so the military, or some other official power, intervening and going around picking up survivors like them with the cure to help repopulate Earth. That is what I had in mind when I said that. hehehe | ||
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pugowar
United States142 Posts
On February 21 2013 03:26 TheExile19 wrote: better than these two episodes? yes. I think I might prefer these episodes just for the sake of having things actually happen, and as a whole it'll almost certainly be a better overall season, but realistically this is the same dearth of action as the middle of season 2 with worse writing on display because they're trying to do more. an occasionally entertaining, risk-taking failure of a half season might technically have more propulsive events than the stalling tactics that made up season 2, but man, at least I gave two shits about the characters back then even if it wasn't necessarily warranted. rick vs. shane, dale preaching, rick and naive carl, even seeing lori and andrea be utter morons was new and interesting. now it's months and months later in the internal narrative, and nobody's gotten any smarter or more fun to watch since then even though we're stuck with them and their banal issues more and more often, because this show just won't stop and develop anyone that isn't named rick or daryl in any way. once they and the zombies are off-screen, the roof falls in. Dearth of action? Really? In this episode alone we have daryl and meryl saving the family, and the huge figth at the prison...not sure how much more action you need per episode.... Develop any other characters? Maybe you missed: -Carl exploring the prison on his own, finding supplies, saving people, killing his mother. -Maggie willing to allow herself to get raped to save Glenn and now cannot face him- -Glenn struggling in the power vacuum- -andrea becoming a leader in the town- -hershel dealing with his leg and acknowledging glenn as part of his family- -meryl helping to save rick to be with his brother- -rick asking hershel what to do as opposed to a "rickocrocy" -people in the group understanding they are too few and may need outside help Honestly not sure what else you are looking for from the show - plus you never acknowledge the fact that Rick's problems can be explained as another poster pointed out? Sometimes I feel like people just get on the internet to complain about everything. | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On February 22 2013 04:13 pugowar wrote: Honestly not sure what else you are looking for from the show - plus you never acknowledge the fact that Rick's problems can be explained as another poster pointed out? I've acknowledged that "fact" so many fucking times, try reading from about page 305. let's break this down, then. spoilered for zzzzzzzz: + Show Spoiler + -Carl exploring the prison on his own, finding supplies, saving people, killing his mother.- carl hasn't done anything in the past 3 episodes (because, again: season 3 as a whole has been okay, this half-season is what's sinking it) that I care even slightly about. the one notable decision on his head is letting tyreese in, which is nice I guess but I don't really see how it's interesting character work for him or that it matters since rick tossed that group out on its head. -Maggie willing to allow herself to get raped to save Glenn and now cannot face him- haha, what? "willing to allow herself"? okay anyway, that storyline is decent if boringly and obnoxiously conveyed but you're misreading it if you think it's about maggie not being able to face glenn (if...she sacrificed herself for him...why would that be?) and not about maggie being contemptuous of glenn for being bitchmade and ego-driven. -Glenn struggling in the power vacuum- that struggle has much less to do with the "power vacuum" and more to do with the aforementioned subplot. moreover, with daryl and merle back there's no way leadership goes anywhere near glenn (or even that he would necessarily want it, when he wraps up his rage subplot), so this whole tension hanger where the leader is supposedly important is kind of baffling to me since the season is wrapping with the governor showdown regardless. when you know huge decisions and events like that beforehand, it's kind of difficult to rouse interest in what is clearly filler. -andrea becoming a leader in the town- >implying anyone in the world cares about andrea, or woodbury for that matter, outside of grisly death scenarios. also, it's pretty clear the governor is stringing her along to avoid image issues when he's out terrorizing the prison and to keep her satiated so she doesn't want to head back to rick's group and start talking. it's not an egregiously bad scheme or anything, it would help if we had any reason to care about what woodbury is doing as of yet. -hershel dealing with his leg and acknowledging glenn as part of his family- these are both very well-worn aspects of the show by now, and it doesn't help that I don't know what your first claim even means. there was some tension surrounding herschel in the shootout because he'd had some character moments and that's an instant crosshair on your face in TWD, but rick had two legs and was sprawled out the same way herschel was, having every molecule surrounding him be inundated with lead without ever getting hit. -meryl helping to save rick to be with his brother- or not to be alone in the zombie apocalypse and have to go back to the least safe form of subsistence. his motive is utterly unclear until next episode, but I didn't mind the end of the shootout with the dixons; if the governor hadn't used his massive advantage to kill everyone right then and there, clearly I shouldn't be annoyed that he didn't just shoot all three of them while they were busy with zombies. -rick asking hershel what to do as opposed to a "rickocrocy"- same deal here, what incredibly important decisions in the next few episodes might collect tension and therefore be paid off by this supposedly crucial diffusion of leadership? none have been foreshadowed, except tyreese inevitably showing back up, and again that's another subplot with a predictable conclusion that could have been resolved in the very first half-season episode, but I guess ghost lori was too important to rick's character. -people in the group understanding they are too few and may need outside help- they, as a group, already understood this but rick's freakout made it necessary to undergo the most predictable send-away and eventual reunition possible. almost every point you have is undermined by terminally poor starts and similarly poor maintenance of subplots that are supposed to start paying off right about now. the only bright spots lately have consistently been daryl, merle, and the zombies (sometimes also the governor's campiness), and it's going to stay that way until all this crap is out of the show's system and we can move on. Sometimes I feel like people just get on the internet to complain about everything. passive-aggressiveness is so very attractive. TLDR these characters are essentially garbage because of the poor plotting and they bore me to death, and possibly undeath. it should be quite obvious that flaws like these could be overlooked if the show could sell me on why I should care, but TWD has always been pretty bad at that outside the very first episode and it's only been downhill from there. | ||
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TurnipThrowingPeach
United States151 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:39 TheExile19 wrote: I've acknowledged that "fact" so many fucking times, try reading from about page 305. let's break this down, then. spoilered for zzzzzzzz: + Show Spoiler + -Carl exploring the prison on his own, finding supplies, saving people, killing his mother.- carl hasn't done anything in the past 3 episodes (because, again: season 3 as a whole has been okay, this half-season is what's sinking it) that I care even slightly about. the one notable decision on his head is letting tyreese in, which is nice I guess but I don't really see how it's interesting character work for him or that it matters since rick tossed that group out on its head. -Maggie willing to allow herself to get raped to save Glenn and now cannot face him- haha, what? "willing to allow herself"? okay anyway, that storyline is decent if boringly and obnoxiously conveyed but you're misreading it if you think it's about maggie not being able to face glenn (if...she sacrificed herself for him...why would that be?) and not about maggie being contemptuous of glenn for being bitchmade and ego-driven. -Glenn struggling in the power vacuum- that struggle has much less to do with the "power vacuum" and more to do with the aforementioned subplot. moreover, with daryl and merle back there's no way leadership goes anywhere near glenn (or even that he would necessarily want it, when he wraps up his rage subplot), so this whole tension hanger where the leader is supposedly important is kind of baffling to me since the season is wrapping with the governor showdown regardless. when you know huge decisions and events like that beforehand, it's kind of difficult to rouse interest in what is clearly filler. -andrea becoming a leader in the town- >implying anyone in the world cares about andrea, or woodbury for that matter, outside of grisly death scenarios. also, it's pretty clear the governor is stringing her along to avoid image issues when he's out terrorizing the prison and to keep her satiated so she doesn't want to head back to rick's group and start talking. it's not an egregiously bad scheme or anything, it would help if we had any reason to care about what woodbury is doing as of yet. -hershel dealing with his leg and acknowledging glenn as part of his family- these are both very well-worn aspects of the show by now, and it doesn't help that I don't know what your first claim even means. there was some tension surrounding herschel in the shootout because he'd had some character moments and that's an instant crosshair on your face in TWD, but rick had two legs and was sprawled out the same way herschel was, having every molecule surrounding him be inundated with lead without ever getting hit. -meryl helping to save rick to be with his brother- or not to be alone in the zombie apocalypse and have to go back to the least safe form of subsistence. his motive is utterly unclear until next episode, but I didn't mind the end of the shootout with the dixons; if the governor hadn't used his massive advantage to kill everyone right then and there, clearly I shouldn't be annoyed that he didn't just shoot all three of them while they were busy with zombies. -rick asking hershel what to do as opposed to a "rickocrocy"- same deal here, what incredibly important decisions in the next few episodes might collect tension and therefore be paid off by this supposedly crucial diffusion of leadership? none have been foreshadowed, except tyreese inevitably showing back up, and again that's another subplot with a predictable conclusion that could have been resolved in the very first half-season episode, but I guess ghost lori was too important to rick's character. -people in the group understanding they are too few and may need outside help- they, as a group, already understood this but rick's freakout made it necessary to undergo the most predictable send-away and eventual reunition possible. almost every point you have is undermined by terminally poor starts and similarly poor maintenance of subplots that are supposed to start paying off right about now. the only bright spots lately have consistently been daryl, merle, and the zombies (sometimes also the governor's campiness), and it's going to stay that way until all this crap is out of the show's system and we can move on. Sometimes I feel like people just get on the internet to complain about everything. passive-aggressiveness is so very attractive. TLDR these characters are essentially garbage because of the poor plotting and they bore me to death, and possibly undeath. it should be quite obvious that flaws like these could be overlooked if the show could sell me on why I should care, but TWD has always been pretty bad at that outside the very first episode and it's only been downhill from there. I will never understand why people dislike a show/its characters/plot, whatever, and yet still keep watching. Then, go the further distance to talk about whats 'bad' about it on the internet. I like watching and talking about shows or movies I enjoy. Unless disliking things is what's entertaining for these sort of people? I dunno. lol It's always been silly to me.  | ||
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TheExile19
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Fine, feel free to express your opinion, but you shit all over everyone else, the show and portray yourself as a douche while wasting your time All for a show you dont even like. Like, wtf, go ladder, or wank..or do something you enjoy EDIT: According to the above post, you like to argue...which i dont get at all, you piss off everyone else at the expense of arguing about something you dont even like (and waste time watching, posting and arguing about) and find enjoyment in wasting all your time doing so...well, its not a debate thread / club so its not really ok for you to just argue every which-way, im sure theres a debate forum somewhere on the internet you can argue your heart out on. Or theres always politics | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
is TL not allowed to have debate threads or even threads that hint at debate? that seems pretty weird given almost all the general forum topics are based around issues or contentious topics of discussion. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On February 22 2013 10:13 TheExile19 wrote: you can go ahead and try to find an instance where I specifically, blatantly attack a person I disagree with and not their opinion. if you're conflating an attack on an opinion you hold with an attack on you as a person re: shitting on people, you might want to take some time and wrestle with that problem. is TL not allowed to have debate threads or even threads that hint at debate? that seems pretty weird given almost all the general forum topics are based around issues or topics of discussion. I'd have to agree with him though and not you. You said yourself that you thought the show sucked from the very first episode, hated it and it's only gone downhill since then. I think he has a completely logical point in asking why do you even watch the show and then waste your time debating others trying to convince them the show sucks too. Stop watching the show, you never enjoyed it, you arn't enjoying it now and you arn't invested in anything. This isn't like Bleach (this comes up alot in that thread too) where the story was amazing at first and then turned to shit and you follow it out of past glory just to see the ending. According to you the show went from shit, to shittier shit lol. Why are you torturing youself? Let go, stop watching, and find something else to spend your time on. | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
...the first episode was the best episode of TWD. when I say that there's always been a marked decline, that's simply because of the fact that no single episode has come close to having me glued to the screen like that one has. it doesn't mean the show "sucked" since then, a moniker I would only apply to these past two episodes and the middle of season 2. why are you speaking for what i am and am not invested in, for that matter? maybe there's a coherent reason for why I'm not invested, and we could talk about why you are, as if to resemble some sort of civilized discussion. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On February 22 2013 10:29 TheExile19 wrote: I haven't quit on it because it's been all of two weeks since I started thinking this show was just flat-out sucking? I mean, just the very idea of me having to justify the existence of a dissenting opinion is beyond silly. ...the first episode was the best episode of TWD. when I say that there's always been a marked decline, that's simply because of the fact that no single episode has come close to having me glued to the screen like that one has. it doesn't mean the show "sucked" since then, a moniker I would only apply to these past two episodes and the middle of season 2. why are you speaking for what i am and am not invested in, for that matter? maybe there's a coherent reason for why I'm not invested, and we could talk about why you are, as if to resemble some sort of civilized discussion. Nah I love the show and don't feel the need to lamant on that any farther. If you are/arn't invested w/e idc was just giving my opinion on the matter. | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On February 22 2013 07:26 TheExile19 wrote: + Show Spoiler + it's about liking to argue and seeing if valid counterarguments to my views exist, in this case on the level of basic scriptwriting and plot. also, TWD usually has 10-15 minutes that justify the watch if I'm seriously that bored during, which I certainly have been lately. Apparently, the best way for him to go about doing this is to find something he hates and tell others that he hates it. He posts the stuff that he does in order to evoke an angry response. If you want him to stop posting, then don't respond to his posts (Although, others will probably continue to. But hey, it's a free Anyway, I'm looking forward to see how the group deals with Merle being around. He helped save Rick, and I bet that'll be enough to convince Rick to let him stick around. I'm not sure what to think about Tough-guy-Glenn. I think liked him better when he was a little more tame. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
it would be epic.( I basically hate this thread now that its him vs the world arguing everything every week.) I liked the last episode. I just hope now that Tyrese and his chick will get more involved and that his buds will get a cool death on screen! Im sorry the mustachioed guy had to go. He seemed like a creepy fuck who had potential! | ||
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Gradius
United States112 Posts
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
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