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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10156 Posts
On November 27 2012 23:17 frogrubdown wrote: That guy doesn't know what he's talking about anyway. AMC showed rape in Mad Men several years ago. Also is freaking obvious. They know those two belong to another group. The governor wants to get those ASAP (in part because they know Andread, but most importantly, because right now, they are a threat to the governor's happy village). He is not going to lose time doing something that wouldn't work (since Maggie wouldn't tell shit even after raped, or atleast, would take a long torturerape session and probably wouldn't work, and that's exactly the reason why the governor stopped). It was just faster to put maggie in front of glenn and start pointing guns and asking out loud if they want the other to fucking live. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:59 sevia wrote: In this behind-the-scenes video, Steven Yeun very specifically says that "Glenn knows Maggie was just raped." I haven't followed the discussion in this thread so far, but I thought it was very heavily implied when I watched. Actor of Glenn: "Glenn doesnt know what has happened. For all he knows she's been raped" plz dont spread false rumors. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
He told her to remove her top and she refused. He threatened Glen and she removed her top. He threatened to rape her and she did not tell him what he wanted to know. At that point it becomes obvious that the best way to get Maggie to speak is to put a gun to Glen's head. Just because the governor is a psycho does not mean that he gets a kick out of raping people. And he now has sex on tap anyway. | ||
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sevia
United States954 Posts
On November 28 2012 03:26 SpikeStarcraft wrote: Actor of Glenn: "Glenn doesnt know what has happened. For all he knows she's been raped" plz dont spread false rumors. You're right and I edited my post. I was remembering from watching it yesterday. But (comic spoilers up to the current point in TV series): + Show Spoiler + People have perfectly good reason to believe that she was raped, considering it was featured very prominently in the comics, and the Governor of the TV series is clearly starting to exhibit traits of the comic Governer, and (MAJOR comic spoilers) + Show Spoiler + the rape is one of the key reasons why Michonne decides to torture and mutilate the Governer so brutally. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 28 2012 04:19 sevia wrote: You're right and I edited my post. I was remembering from watching it yesterday. But (comic spoilers up to the current point in TV series): + Show Spoiler + People have perfectly good reason to believe that she was raped, considering it was featured very prominently in the comics, and the Governor of the TV series is clearly starting to exhibit traits of the comic Governer, and (MAJOR comic spoilers) + Show Spoiler + the rape is one of the key reasons why Michonne decides to torture and mutilate the Governer so brutally. Relating to spoilers: + Show Spoiler + True, if Michonne goes ahead and tortures him as much as she does in the comics, it'll be way overblown and uncalled for. At this point, she just thinks he's a nut who tried to have her killed. Not that we need a super brutal torture scene or anything, just musing. | ||
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
On November 28 2012 03:45 hzflank wrote: Why would he rape Maggie? He told her to remove her top and she refused. He threatened Glen and she removed her top. He threatened to rape her and she did not tell him what he wanted to know. At that point it becomes obvious that the best way to get Maggie to speak is to put a gun to Glen's head. Just because the governor is a psycho does not mean that he gets a kick out of raping people. And he now has sex on tap anyway. This makes a lot of sense. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On November 28 2012 04:21 Requizen wrote: Relating to spoilers: + Show Spoiler + True, if Michonne goes ahead and tortures him as much as she does in the comics, it'll be way overblown and uncalled for. At this point, she just thinks he's a nut who tried to have her killed. Not that we need a super brutal torture scene or anything, just musing. My prediction then would that it's actually glenn and maggie who are the ones who are able to enact their revenge on the Governor/Merle. People who keep saying Merle's going to rejoin the group is full of shit, yeah he wants to be with his baby brother, but he FUCKING BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF GLENN, and THEN TRIED TO FEED HIM TO A ZOMBIE WHILE TIED UP. If rick has to choose between letting merle back in and protecting Glenn from that psychopath, I think the choice is obvious. Merle MIGHT have a redeeming moment where he saves Darryl and dies in the process or something, but I think the end result is Maggie/Glenn are able to put the Governor in his place, maybe not by the gruesome out of place method as discussed above, but by something weird like, shooting his arms, and then leaving him locked in the room with his daughter and waiting for his screams to stop (similar to how Rick did it to Andrew(?) but confirming the kill this time). At this point, while Michonne certainly has beef against the Governor, she has no motivation to do what you guys talked about because none of the precursor shit happened. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On November 27 2012 23:14 Nizaris wrote: That would be pretty stupid. She has no idea rick even know where they are. For all she knows they could be there awhile. What happens to Glenn when the Governor/Merle go out only to find that she was lying. I don't think she is stupid, however you might be shortsighted. I wouldn't have lied if my gf had a gun to her head either. Its all about buying time. Glenn didnt say anything because he understands that if he reveals their location then the whole group is dead and not just him and Maggie. Maggie told them everything including how many they are. She saved her boyfriend but in return killed her dad, her sister and the rest of the group. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On November 27 2012 20:49 -Archangel- wrote: Telling them about Merle would only provoke Daryl to go stupid. She overheard Merle talking about his brother when he took Glen and the girl. Not mentioning his name was extremely smart. About not mentioning Andrea, well she has her reasons, and many of them would be logical. For one Andrea decided to stay and Michonne didn't want Rick to know that or ask about more details. She is clearly very guarded person and speaks only when she needs to. Do you really think its better for Daryl to find out about it when they are infiltrating Woodbury so he will be forced to make a decision right there and then? Not mentioning Merle was extremly dumb but I understand why they did it. It wouldnt have the same shock factor if Daryl already knew that his brother was alive and living in Woodbury. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10156 Posts
On November 28 2012 06:54 Bowzar wrote: Its all about buying time. Glenn didnt say anything because he understands that if he reveals their location then the whole group is dead and not just him and Maggie. Maggie told them everything including how many they are. She saved her boyfriend but in return killed her dad, her sister and the rest of the group. Not really, since if it wasn't for Rick and the others already going to the town... after the governor checked if they were saying the truth, he would kill them (andrea knows them). | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:27 LoLAdriankat wrote: Didn't The Governor send Caesar Martinez (Mexican with baseball hat) and a few other henchmen to the prison after Maggie divulged the location? Here's hoping Carl shoots them all dead as soon as they show up. Would be glorious. | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
Still, [Comics/Governor] + Show Spoiler + They have softened up the Governor, and are giving him a more sympathetic view. In the comics he is tyrannical/egomaniac/lunatic and pragmatic, but here he is quick-thinking, smooth, but definitely deranged. In the show we are told to identify a bit more with him, but in the comics we are intended to be repulsed. He is an abject disfigurement (which the writers later make VERY clear) of what surviving as a human means in our world. The show has transferred a lot of the values of comicsRick to the Governor. In the comics, Rick is the one making speeches about community and settlement, with the Governor as foil. In the show it's the exact opposite. I guess they wanted to make Rick less likeable? | ||
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serum321
United States606 Posts
Its night time and the prison is deep in the red zone so they most likely wouldn't have left til morning regardless, but it looks like shits about to hit the fan at woodbury before they even get the chance to leave. Speaking of scouting though reminds me of something from an earlier episode that I forgot about and I'm sure many other ppl forgot about also and that is the governor says something along the lines of "they cleared the prison that you said was impossible to clear with only ten people", so that tells us they had scouted the prison before. In an earlier episode when Carol wants to practice a c-section on a zombie she is out in the yard and it shows the camera angle from out in the woods as if someone is watching her and they never did reveal who that was(Did they? Or was that supposed to be the black prisoner Rick locks out in the yard? I don't think that guy ever left the prison). It would make sense if that was Merle and he said it couldn't be done because he knew Carol and knew his brother was most likely with her and didn't want to see him possibly harmed, but then it doesn't make sense in that Merle beat the crap out of Glen wondering where his brother was. Maybe someone else from Woodbury that doesn't want to see innocent ppl killed? Or maybe I missed the part where that was supposed to be the black prisoner, or maybe it is just a plot device they forgot about and went in a different direction? | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On November 28 2012 08:51 serum321 wrote: Well Maggie did lie about their numbers a bit; I suppose in a you don't want to go looking for them kind of way. The governor did say something about sending the mexican guy and merle with a "couple of guys" to the prison to check it out, but I believe it was for more of just a scouting deal. These ppl thought it was impossible to clear the prison and Maggie tells them they did it with just 10 ppl and in all actuallity they did it with less than that so the governor knows they are very dangerous and they wouldn't stand a chance against these ppl without the right plan of attack. Its night time and the prison is deep in the red zone so they most likely wouldn't have left til morning regardless, but it looks like shits about to hit the fan at woodbury before they even get the chance to leave. Speaking of scouting though reminds me of something from an earlier episode that I forgot about and I'm sure many other ppl forgot about also and that is the governor says something along the lines of "they cleared the prison that you said was impossible to clear with only ten people", so that tells us they had scouted the prison before. In an earlier episode when Carol wants to practice a c-section on a zombie she is out in the yard and it shows the camera angle from out in the woods as if someone is watching her and they never did reveal who that was(Did they? Or was that supposed to be the black prisoner Rick locks out in the yard? I don't think that guy ever left the prison). It would make sense if that was Merle and he said it couldn't be done because he knew Carol and knew his brother was most likely with her and didn't want to see him possibly harmed, but then it doesn't make sense in that Merle beat the crap out of Glen wondering where his brother was. Maybe someone else from Woodbury that doesn't want to see innocent ppl killed? Or maybe I missed the part where that was supposed to be the black prisoner, or maybe it is just a plot device they forgot about and went in a different direction? It was supposed to be the black prisoner they left out in the yard, we assume that they scouted it before rick and the group ever found the prison. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:07 Requizen wrote: Michonne doesn't seem like the type of person to talk about what isn't necessary. Andrea mentioned that they'd traveled together for however long and she never mentioned family, past, etc. She told the group about Glenn and Maggie as thanks for saving her and helping her leg, but I doubt she's the type of character to also be like "oh by the way, I was traveling with this chick and we met this guy, you might know them...". It's going to lead to issues, but it's within her character. Thats my problem with her as a character. She wants to leave Woodbury with Andrea but doesnt say anything about the evidence she found that indicates that the Governor is a sketchy guy. If she wanted to leave that badly wouldnt it be smarter to gain the trust of the Governor instead of pissing him off? Im surprised he didnt kill her after she pointed the sword at him. If they dont give us a background story of why shes acting like this it will pretty hard to feel sympathy for her. Right now she is a mute dumb bitch.. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:20 Godwrath wrote: Not really, since if it wasn't for Rick and the others already going to the town... after the governor checked if they were saying the truth, he would kill them (andrea knows them). They are dead anyways. Its a matter of do you take down the whole group with you or do you give them a chance to survive. | ||
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sevia
United States954 Posts
On November 28 2012 09:44 Bowzar wrote: Thats my problem with her as a character. She wants to leave Woodbury with Andrea but doesnt say anything about the evidence she found that indicates that the Governor is a sketchy guy. If she wanted to leave that badly wouldnt it be smarter to gain the trust of the Governor instead of pissing him off? Im surprised he didnt kill her after she pointed the sword at him. If they dont give us a background story of why shes acting like this it will pretty hard to feel sympathy for her. Right now she is a mute dumb bitch.. She's definitely not the most forward-thinking character in the show, that's for sure. Her gameplan is basically calculated by-the-minute, and usually all it amounts to is "get revenge on whoever's pissed me off and then leave." She never really puts much thought into it. The show writers would probably call it 'being distrustful.' | ||
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