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On November 07 2012 06:29 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 03:28 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 03:01 Kazeyonoma wrote:
When Lori died, I was equally hurt because she was doing something selfless for her child. People just like to rag on how much they hated her acting etc, but I dunno, since I never hated her acting so much as her character at times, I knew she was going to die, but wanted to see how, and the way they did it was just tragic. To have her own son there, to have him ultimately be the one to put her down. To basically give her life to create another. There's so much going on from a deeper level than you normally see in a zombie movie that it's heart wrenching to see people have to make these decisions. People who haven't lost someone close to them, TRULY close to them, I don't think fully understand the emotion that Rick was going through. When I lost someone truly close to me, i literally collapse on the floor like he did and screamed at the top of my lungs, god why (i'm atheist) and let out a long Nooooooooo. Call it bad acting, but it's a real emotion and true reaction to losing someone who you've loved most of your life, the mother of your children, no matter how mad you are at her. Selfless? I thought Lori's decision was rather selfish and really just a way to escape the hole which she dug so deep for herself. She escaped Rick without ever having to repair that broken relationship She forced her son to watch her die and then kill her She forced a child, which Rick knows is not his, upon Rick She forced a child, which the group has no means to feed, upon the group She brought a child that no one wants, into a world that no one wants to live in She chose easy death over hard life while bringing a hopeless life into the picture. The ultimate reverse-sacrifice. "No, don't try to save me! I get the easy escape, now you gotta suffer sucka!" I might be a cynic, so please explain to me what part of any of that is selfless? Also, didn't Rick choose to keep the baby when Lori wanted to kill it?
Lori is the one who didn't take the morning-after pill after Glenn went to the grocery for her right? Rick got mad after the fact when he found out.
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On November 07 2012 06:33 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 06:29 rd wrote:On November 07 2012 03:28 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 03:01 Kazeyonoma wrote:
When Lori died, I was equally hurt because she was doing something selfless for her child. People just like to rag on how much they hated her acting etc, but I dunno, since I never hated her acting so much as her character at times, I knew she was going to die, but wanted to see how, and the way they did it was just tragic. To have her own son there, to have him ultimately be the one to put her down. To basically give her life to create another. There's so much going on from a deeper level than you normally see in a zombie movie that it's heart wrenching to see people have to make these decisions. People who haven't lost someone close to them, TRULY close to them, I don't think fully understand the emotion that Rick was going through. When I lost someone truly close to me, i literally collapse on the floor like he did and screamed at the top of my lungs, god why (i'm atheist) and let out a long Nooooooooo. Call it bad acting, but it's a real emotion and true reaction to losing someone who you've loved most of your life, the mother of your children, no matter how mad you are at her. Selfless? I thought Lori's decision was rather selfish and really just a way to escape the hole which she dug so deep for herself. She escaped Rick without ever having to repair that broken relationship She forced her son to watch her die and then kill her She forced a child, which Rick knows is not his, upon Rick She forced a child, which the group has no means to feed, upon the group She brought a child that no one wants, into a world that no one wants to live in She chose easy death over hard life while bringing a hopeless life into the picture. The ultimate reverse-sacrifice. "No, don't try to save me! I get the easy escape, now you gotta suffer sucka!" I might be a cynic, so please explain to me what part of any of that is selfless? Also, didn't Rick choose to keep the baby when Lori wanted to kill it? Lori is the one who didn't take the morning-after pill after Glenn went to the grocery for her right? Rick got mad after the fact when he found out.
I thought he got mad when she tried to take the pills. I could have sworn it was Lori arguing she doesn't want to bring up a baby into that world. Either way, It was being framed like she wasn't just 99% batshit insane but 100% batshit insane trying to have a baby and force it on the group, which wasn't how it panned out entirely.
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On November 07 2012 06:33 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 06:29 rd wrote:On November 07 2012 03:28 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 03:01 Kazeyonoma wrote:
When Lori died, I was equally hurt because she was doing something selfless for her child. People just like to rag on how much they hated her acting etc, but I dunno, since I never hated her acting so much as her character at times, I knew she was going to die, but wanted to see how, and the way they did it was just tragic. To have her own son there, to have him ultimately be the one to put her down. To basically give her life to create another. There's so much going on from a deeper level than you normally see in a zombie movie that it's heart wrenching to see people have to make these decisions. People who haven't lost someone close to them, TRULY close to them, I don't think fully understand the emotion that Rick was going through. When I lost someone truly close to me, i literally collapse on the floor like he did and screamed at the top of my lungs, god why (i'm atheist) and let out a long Nooooooooo. Call it bad acting, but it's a real emotion and true reaction to losing someone who you've loved most of your life, the mother of your children, no matter how mad you are at her. Selfless? I thought Lori's decision was rather selfish and really just a way to escape the hole which she dug so deep for herself. She escaped Rick without ever having to repair that broken relationship She forced her son to watch her die and then kill her She forced a child, which Rick knows is not his, upon Rick She forced a child, which the group has no means to feed, upon the group She brought a child that no one wants, into a world that no one wants to live in She chose easy death over hard life while bringing a hopeless life into the picture. The ultimate reverse-sacrifice. "No, don't try to save me! I get the easy escape, now you gotta suffer sucka!" I might be a cynic, so please explain to me what part of any of that is selfless? Also, didn't Rick choose to keep the baby when Lori wanted to kill it? Lori is the one who didn't take the morning-after pill after Glenn went to the grocery for her right? Rick got mad after the fact when he found out.
She did actually take the mornin after pills... She just regretted it and puked them all up right after. Then told Rick who got pissed at her etc.
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Thank gods of Walking Dead, Lori is dead :D The most hated character in recent history of TV is finally gone from our eyes and ears :D
I was afraid I would have to wait until end of season to see Lori die. This was so much better. It would have been even better for her to have died at the farm at end of last season :D
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She finally kicked the bucked :D
I just hope that kid is next, i hate him even more than i did her.
And lol the black guy got replaced :p
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On November 07 2012 00:51 Destro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 00:46 r00ty wrote:
Yeah of course it's just a TV show. But saying "The Walking Dead" is like the best TV show ever is just unfair. "The Wire" and "GoT" set the bar very high, maybe too high. "GoT" is also not perfect, but the acting omg. Anyone saying the acting and directing on "The Walking Dead" is on par with the likes of "Breaking Bad", "The Wire", "GoT" is just delusional.
Peter Dinklage, Lena Heady, Walter White, etc. compared to them, "The Walking Dead" cast is (with minor exceptions) on soap opera level. Most of the time it's the directors fault though imho.
I'm also a huge Zombie flick fan btw. And can just fully aggree with Dosey: A good Zombie film is not about goring through zombie hordes. "The Walking Dead" had a lot more potential and it's not as good as people make it seem to be. I'll keep watching, but i don't think it will improve. For what its trying to achieve, its the best by far. Rivals nearly all zombie movies as well. You keep comparing it to completely different shows. For a zombie flick, it actually has the best acting. Trying really hard to think of a zombie flick with better acting,.. and failing miserably. Your points are valid. but irrelevant. Breaking bad has better acting then sesamestreet, thus, breaking bad is the better children's tv show.
People overemphasize acting way too much. Romero's Night of the Living Dead (1968) is still the best zombie flick barring maybe Dawn of the Dead (1978) or Day of the Dead (1985). Though neither of those have the pure dread and horror that exists in the original. And the acting isn't very good, but who cares when everything else is top notch. Acting only needs to be competent enough to not pull you out of the world the film (or TV show) has created.
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So I was behind on catching the episode from last Sunday but I am subscribed to this thread. I saw the posts just skyrocket on the night it aired and then over the next two days. I was thinking to myself "man must have been a really good episode". Sure enough, it was a fucking crazy good episode.
T-Dawg is dead, which is sad and good. Good because he wasn't really doing anything for the show. Sad because I was interested to see him and Merle meet up.
I was hoping for a better Lori death to be honest, also I wanted the baby to be dead too. Cause then Rick would really go berserk. Now we have to deal with Carl probably acting like a kid again because Rick isn't giving Carl all of his attention anymore.
Overall though I really like the episode. I do think the two deaths really overshadowed the whole Andrea part of the episode. So I'm not sure how anyone else felt on that part. I didn't read the 200+ posts that I missed while waiting to watch this episode. Sorry if anyone else already brought up these points.
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I'm really happy about Lori's death and Carl is getting more likable by the episode.
I also thought Rick overreacted quite a bit when he found out.
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On November 07 2012 13:25 Trizz wrote:
I'm really happy about Lori's death and Carl is getting more likable by the episode.
I also thought Rick overreacted quite a bit when he found out.
his wife of 15 years just died and his kid had to be there for that.... how was he overreacting thats the best acting ive seen from Andrew
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On November 07 2012 13:43 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 13:25 Trizz wrote:
I'm really happy about Lori's death and Carl is getting more likable by the episode.
I also thought Rick overreacted quite a bit when he found out. his wife of 15 years just died and his kid had to be there for that.... how was he overreacting thats the best acting ive seen from Andrew
Don't forget he probably knows someone had to finish off Lori so she wouldn't turn. Safe bet for him to guess it's the one who came out holding the gun and not the baby.
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On November 07 2012 03:01 Kazeyonoma wrote:
hey, i fucking shed a tear when both characters died, and i looked over at my fiancee and she was doing the same. Tdog going down was just sad, i know he wasn't the most developed character, but he went down for a purpose and was always a useful person in the group, seeing him get ripped apart trying to save Carol is something remnant of a 'good world', something that is forgotten in this apocalyptic world where it's every man for himself. Sure you see people risk themselves all the time, but rarely do you ever see someone outright throw themselves to save another. You could argue that he was dead already because of the previous bite which gave him more courage, but in this show, we've seen sad whiny people beg for life rather than do what's necessary. I dunno, something about just how he pulled through to save Carol (unconfirmed I suppose) gives me respect to Tdog.
When Lori died, I was equally hurt because she was doing something selfless for her child. People just like to rag on how much they hated her acting etc, but I dunno, since I never hated her acting so much as her character at times, I knew she was going to die, but wanted to see how, and the way they did it was just tragic. To have her own son there, to have him ultimately be the one to put her down. To basically give her life to create another. There's so much going on from a deeper level than you normally see in a zombie movie that it's heart wrenching to see people have to make these decisions. People who haven't lost someone close to them, TRULY close to them, I don't think fully understand the emotion that Rick was going through. When I lost someone truly close to me, i literally collapse on the floor like he did and screamed at the top of my lungs, god why (i'm atheist) and let out a long Nooooooooo. Call it bad acting, but it's a real emotion and true reaction to losing someone who you've loved most of your life, the mother of your children, no matter how mad you are at her.
Sometimes I just feel like the people who post in this thread are here to post hate and vitriol because they have nothing better to do, but incite the shared hatred of others, while those of us who genuinely like the show have no way to fight back because ultimately it's everyone's own opinion of the acting/writing/casting/etc. That or the general population really are more heartless and coldblooded than I'd like to believe. Jeez people.
Nah the people posting hate in here are the ones that want the show to be exactly like the comics. Read some posts earlier "they're not following the comics exactly like they were wtf are they doing?" Glen Mazzara has said in interview that the point of the show isnt to directly follow the story and how it happens in the comics. Hell they even have Robert Kirkman on the production team. The main story from the comics seems to be there and they're just expanding on it.
Just recently watched The People vs George Lucas and it was brought up that alot of stories have been rewritten. Best example was Alice in Wonderland. There are so many variations of that story and world. Same is going for the Comic and TV show for The Walking Dead. They're choosing their vision and not taking the exact vision of the comics.
I haven't read the comics and don't really plan to so I can sit and speculate what might happen in the story which is much more enjoyable then knowing whats going to happen and wondering why things were drawn out or w/e like some people.
This last episode felt like the darkest episode of the series so far with all that went on. (Except for maybe Carl taking out Shane after the stand off with Rick just before Shane turned and got up) Can't wait to see what they're planning next!
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I really don't like how they didn't show/explain as to how Andrew was able to stay alive... I'm guessing that was at least a day or so after he was locked out?
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On November 07 2012 14:37 Random_Guy09 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 03:01 Kazeyonoma wrote:
hey, i fucking shed a tear when both characters died, and i looked over at my fiancee and she was doing the same. Tdog going down was just sad, i know he wasn't the most developed character, but he went down for a purpose and was always a useful person in the group, seeing him get ripped apart trying to save Carol is something remnant of a 'good world', something that is forgotten in this apocalyptic world where it's every man for himself. Sure you see people risk themselves all the time, but rarely do you ever see someone outright throw themselves to save another. You could argue that he was dead already because of the previous bite which gave him more courage, but in this show, we've seen sad whiny people beg for life rather than do what's necessary. I dunno, something about just how he pulled through to save Carol (unconfirmed I suppose) gives me respect to Tdog.
When Lori died, I was equally hurt because she was doing something selfless for her child. People just like to rag on how much they hated her acting etc, but I dunno, since I never hated her acting so much as her character at times, I knew she was going to die, but wanted to see how, and the way they did it was just tragic. To have her own son there, to have him ultimately be the one to put her down. To basically give her life to create another. There's so much going on from a deeper level than you normally see in a zombie movie that it's heart wrenching to see people have to make these decisions. People who haven't lost someone close to them, TRULY close to them, I don't think fully understand the emotion that Rick was going through. When I lost someone truly close to me, i literally collapse on the floor like he did and screamed at the top of my lungs, god why (i'm atheist) and let out a long Nooooooooo. Call it bad acting, but it's a real emotion and true reaction to losing someone who you've loved most of your life, the mother of your children, no matter how mad you are at her.
Sometimes I just feel like the people who post in this thread are here to post hate and vitriol because they have nothing better to do, but incite the shared hatred of others, while those of us who genuinely like the show have no way to fight back because ultimately it's everyone's own opinion of the acting/writing/casting/etc. That or the general population really are more heartless and coldblooded than I'd like to believe. Jeez people. Nah the people posting hate in here are the ones that want the show to be exactly like the comics. Read some posts earlier "they're not following the comics exactly like they were wtf are they doing?" Glen Mazzara has said in interview that the point of the show isnt to directly follow the story and how it happens in the comics. Hell they even have Robert Kirkman on the production team. The main story from the comics seems to be there and they're just expanding on it. Just recently watched The People vs George Lucas and it was brought up that alot of stories have been rewritten. Best example was Alice in Wonderland. There are so many variations of that story and world. Same is going for the Comic and TV show for The Walking Dead. They're choosing their vision and not taking the exact vision of the comics. I haven't read the comics and don't really plan to so I can sit and speculate what might happen in the story which is much more enjoyable then knowing whats going to happen and wondering why things were drawn out or w/e like some people. This last episode felt like the darkest episode of the series so far with all that went on. (Except for maybe Carl taking out Shane after the stand off with Rick just before Shane turned and got up) Can't wait to see what they're planning next!
I read the comics and except for 2nd season the show is doing well on its own. 2nd season was covered in comic really short but in the show they decided to make so many boring episodes around it. Anyway, comparing comic to tv show, yes it is not same but it is not worse (and even better in some aspects).
Normally I don't have a problem with TV shows and movies changing original stories, they have limits and usually they make the best they can. Only recent example of badly doing it is 2nd season of Game of Thrones.
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On November 07 2012 02:37 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 02:18 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 02:04 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 01:43 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 01:27 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 00:51 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 00:46 r00ty wrote:
Yeah of course it's just a TV show. But saying "The Walking Dead" is like the best TV show ever is just unfair. "The Wire" and "GoT" set the bar very high, maybe too high. "GoT" is also not perfect, but the acting omg. Anyone saying the acting and directing on "The Walking Dead" is on par with the likes of "Breaking Bad", "The Wire", "GoT" is just delusional.
Peter Dinklage, Lena Heady, Walter White, etc. compared to them, "The Walking Dead" cast is (with minor exceptions) on soap opera level. Most of the time it's the directors fault though imho.
I'm also a huge Zombie flick fan btw. And can just fully aggree with Dosey: A good Zombie film is not about goring through zombie hordes. "The Walking Dead" had a lot more potential and it's not as good as people make it seem to be. I'll keep watching, but i don't think it will improve. For what its trying to achieve, its the best by far. Rivals nearly all zombie movies as well. You keep comparing it to completely different shows. For a zombie flick, it actually has the best acting. Trying really hard to think of a zombie flick with better acting,.. and failing miserably. Your points are valid. but irrelevant. Breaking bad has better acting then sesamestreet, thus, breaking bad is the better children's tv show. You're failing to get the point that this isn't just a zombie genre show. This is more a post-apocalyptic show with a zombie twist. You can replace the zombies with anything in this context; aliens, disease, electricity, nazis, dinosaurs, monsters, whatever. That's just the plot device used to put them in this world and remind them that they are always at risk of death and never safe. It's nothing different from Falling Skies, Revolution, etc... The only thing making it more popular is the fact that they chose zombies and people love zombies. That doesn't mean this show should be compared just to Zombie flicks and not held up to the standard of other shows that it can rival if executed correctly. I disagree. As a big fan of Romero's work, its impossible to not see a HUGE influence in this show. Influence in the show does not change the fact that your opinion is very much wrong. Read the comics. Zombies are only used to establish that the world isn't safe anymore. Every time they get a false sense of security, zombies will rear their ugly head to remind them that the world is still out there (see Atlanta Camp, Hershel's Farm, The Prison) . Everything else is about the human element. What are the lengths we will go to protect ourselves? Our loved ones? What beliefs do we abandon and what do we truly value when there is nothing left to guide us? What do we turn into at the end of a lawless, godless world? What of the evil of others? How do we deal with them? How do we trust outsiders? How do we rebuild in such a world devoid of trust and morals? Do we even rebuild, or remain ignorant and isolated? Things are so much deeper in this world, and to hold it to the mediocre standards of 2 hr flicks that have been growing increasingly worse over the years is just absurd. stop ruining walking dead for me ;( I'm not trying to ruin the show... I'm just saying that we shouldn't lower the bar to B-movie standards because the show happens to have a popular B-movie twist 
If the show is about the things you outlined, then its failing miserably and I can no longer watch such crap. but if its meant to be taken how i perceive it to be (a really, really, really good B movie done realistically) then it remains awesome.
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On November 07 2012 13:53 Xinder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 13:43 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On November 07 2012 13:25 Trizz wrote:
I'm really happy about Lori's death and Carl is getting more likable by the episode.
I also thought Rick overreacted quite a bit when he found out. his wife of 15 years just died and his kid had to be there for that.... how was he overreacting thats the best acting ive seen from Andrew Don't forget he probably knows someone had to finish off Lori so she wouldn't turn. Safe bet for him to guess it's the one who came out holding the gun and not the baby.
He basically realized that it was Carl. When he went towards the gate that Carl and Maggie came from and stopped and I think pretty much had the thought "If she died . . . then WHO had to put the bullet in her?" and then turned around and looked at Carl and broke down even more. Carl putting a bullet into his own mother is going to leave him even more scarred. Even though it was to make sure she did not come back.
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On November 07 2012 18:58 Destro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 02:37 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 02:18 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 02:04 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 01:43 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 01:27 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 00:51 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 00:46 r00ty wrote:
Yeah of course it's just a TV show. But saying "The Walking Dead" is like the best TV show ever is just unfair. "The Wire" and "GoT" set the bar very high, maybe too high. "GoT" is also not perfect, but the acting omg. Anyone saying the acting and directing on "The Walking Dead" is on par with the likes of "Breaking Bad", "The Wire", "GoT" is just delusional.
Peter Dinklage, Lena Heady, Walter White, etc. compared to them, "The Walking Dead" cast is (with minor exceptions) on soap opera level. Most of the time it's the directors fault though imho.
I'm also a huge Zombie flick fan btw. And can just fully aggree with Dosey: A good Zombie film is not about goring through zombie hordes. "The Walking Dead" had a lot more potential and it's not as good as people make it seem to be. I'll keep watching, but i don't think it will improve. For what its trying to achieve, its the best by far. Rivals nearly all zombie movies as well. You keep comparing it to completely different shows. For a zombie flick, it actually has the best acting. Trying really hard to think of a zombie flick with better acting,.. and failing miserably. Your points are valid. but irrelevant. Breaking bad has better acting then sesamestreet, thus, breaking bad is the better children's tv show. You're failing to get the point that this isn't just a zombie genre show. This is more a post-apocalyptic show with a zombie twist. You can replace the zombies with anything in this context; aliens, disease, electricity, nazis, dinosaurs, monsters, whatever. That's just the plot device used to put them in this world and remind them that they are always at risk of death and never safe. It's nothing different from Falling Skies, Revolution, etc... The only thing making it more popular is the fact that they chose zombies and people love zombies. That doesn't mean this show should be compared just to Zombie flicks and not held up to the standard of other shows that it can rival if executed correctly. I disagree. As a big fan of Romero's work, its impossible to not see a HUGE influence in this show. Influence in the show does not change the fact that your opinion is very much wrong. Read the comics. Zombies are only used to establish that the world isn't safe anymore. Every time they get a false sense of security, zombies will rear their ugly head to remind them that the world is still out there (see Atlanta Camp, Hershel's Farm, The Prison) . Everything else is about the human element. What are the lengths we will go to protect ourselves? Our loved ones? What beliefs do we abandon and what do we truly value when there is nothing left to guide us? What do we turn into at the end of a lawless, godless world? What of the evil of others? How do we deal with them? How do we trust outsiders? How do we rebuild in such a world devoid of trust and morals? Do we even rebuild, or remain ignorant and isolated? Things are so much deeper in this world, and to hold it to the mediocre standards of 2 hr flicks that have been growing increasingly worse over the years is just absurd. stop ruining walking dead for me ;( I'm not trying to ruin the show... I'm just saying that we shouldn't lower the bar to B-movie standards because the show happens to have a popular B-movie twist If the show is about the things you outlined, then its failing miserably and I can no longer watch such crap. but if its meant to be taken how i perceive it to be (a really, really, really good B movie done realistically) then it remains awesome.
Is it really doing the B movie thing well though? So little zombie killing, too much drama.
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On November 07 2012 19:26 Aldehyde wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 18:58 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 02:37 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 02:18 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 02:04 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 01:43 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 01:27 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 00:51 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 00:46 r00ty wrote:
Yeah of course it's just a TV show. But saying "The Walking Dead" is like the best TV show ever is just unfair. "The Wire" and "GoT" set the bar very high, maybe too high. "GoT" is also not perfect, but the acting omg. Anyone saying the acting and directing on "The Walking Dead" is on par with the likes of "Breaking Bad", "The Wire", "GoT" is just delusional.
Peter Dinklage, Lena Heady, Walter White, etc. compared to them, "The Walking Dead" cast is (with minor exceptions) on soap opera level. Most of the time it's the directors fault though imho.
I'm also a huge Zombie flick fan btw. And can just fully aggree with Dosey: A good Zombie film is not about goring through zombie hordes. "The Walking Dead" had a lot more potential and it's not as good as people make it seem to be. I'll keep watching, but i don't think it will improve. For what its trying to achieve, its the best by far. Rivals nearly all zombie movies as well. You keep comparing it to completely different shows. For a zombie flick, it actually has the best acting. Trying really hard to think of a zombie flick with better acting,.. and failing miserably. Your points are valid. but irrelevant. Breaking bad has better acting then sesamestreet, thus, breaking bad is the better children's tv show. You're failing to get the point that this isn't just a zombie genre show. This is more a post-apocalyptic show with a zombie twist. You can replace the zombies with anything in this context; aliens, disease, electricity, nazis, dinosaurs, monsters, whatever. That's just the plot device used to put them in this world and remind them that they are always at risk of death and never safe. It's nothing different from Falling Skies, Revolution, etc... The only thing making it more popular is the fact that they chose zombies and people love zombies. That doesn't mean this show should be compared just to Zombie flicks and not held up to the standard of other shows that it can rival if executed correctly. I disagree. As a big fan of Romero's work, its impossible to not see a HUGE influence in this show. Influence in the show does not change the fact that your opinion is very much wrong. Read the comics. Zombies are only used to establish that the world isn't safe anymore. Every time they get a false sense of security, zombies will rear their ugly head to remind them that the world is still out there (see Atlanta Camp, Hershel's Farm, The Prison) . Everything else is about the human element. What are the lengths we will go to protect ourselves? Our loved ones? What beliefs do we abandon and what do we truly value when there is nothing left to guide us? What do we turn into at the end of a lawless, godless world? What of the evil of others? How do we deal with them? How do we trust outsiders? How do we rebuild in such a world devoid of trust and morals? Do we even rebuild, or remain ignorant and isolated? Things are so much deeper in this world, and to hold it to the mediocre standards of 2 hr flicks that have been growing increasingly worse over the years is just absurd. stop ruining walking dead for me ;( I'm not trying to ruin the show... I'm just saying that we shouldn't lower the bar to B-movie standards because the show happens to have a popular B-movie twist If the show is about the things you outlined, then its failing miserably and I can no longer watch such crap. but if its meant to be taken how i perceive it to be (a really, really, really good B movie done realistically) then it remains awesome. Is it really doing the B movie thing well though? So little zombie killing, too much drama.
Season 1 had zombie killing and drama. People liked it.
Season 2 had alot of drama, not enough zombie killing. People complain about not enough zombie killing.
Season 3 so far is LOTS of zombie killing and drama. Yet, people still complain about little zombie killing?
Can't win with some people lol
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On November 07 2012 19:41 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 19:26 Aldehyde wrote:On November 07 2012 18:58 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 02:37 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 02:18 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 02:04 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 01:43 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 01:27 Dosey wrote:On November 07 2012 00:51 Destro wrote:On November 07 2012 00:46 r00ty wrote:
Yeah of course it's just a TV show. But saying "The Walking Dead" is like the best TV show ever is just unfair. "The Wire" and "GoT" set the bar very high, maybe too high. "GoT" is also not perfect, but the acting omg. Anyone saying the acting and directing on "The Walking Dead" is on par with the likes of "Breaking Bad", "The Wire", "GoT" is just delusional.
Peter Dinklage, Lena Heady, Walter White, etc. compared to them, "The Walking Dead" cast is (with minor exceptions) on soap opera level. Most of the time it's the directors fault though imho.
I'm also a huge Zombie flick fan btw. And can just fully aggree with Dosey: A good Zombie film is not about goring through zombie hordes. "The Walking Dead" had a lot more potential and it's not as good as people make it seem to be. I'll keep watching, but i don't think it will improve. For what its trying to achieve, its the best by far. Rivals nearly all zombie movies as well. You keep comparing it to completely different shows. For a zombie flick, it actually has the best acting. Trying really hard to think of a zombie flick with better acting,.. and failing miserably. Your points are valid. but irrelevant. Breaking bad has better acting then sesamestreet, thus, breaking bad is the better children's tv show. You're failing to get the point that this isn't just a zombie genre show. This is more a post-apocalyptic show with a zombie twist. You can replace the zombies with anything in this context; aliens, disease, electricity, nazis, dinosaurs, monsters, whatever. That's just the plot device used to put them in this world and remind them that they are always at risk of death and never safe. It's nothing different from Falling Skies, Revolution, etc... The only thing making it more popular is the fact that they chose zombies and people love zombies. That doesn't mean this show should be compared just to Zombie flicks and not held up to the standard of other shows that it can rival if executed correctly. I disagree. As a big fan of Romero's work, its impossible to not see a HUGE influence in this show. Influence in the show does not change the fact that your opinion is very much wrong. Read the comics. Zombies are only used to establish that the world isn't safe anymore. Every time they get a false sense of security, zombies will rear their ugly head to remind them that the world is still out there (see Atlanta Camp, Hershel's Farm, The Prison) . Everything else is about the human element. What are the lengths we will go to protect ourselves? Our loved ones? What beliefs do we abandon and what do we truly value when there is nothing left to guide us? What do we turn into at the end of a lawless, godless world? What of the evil of others? How do we deal with them? How do we trust outsiders? How do we rebuild in such a world devoid of trust and morals? Do we even rebuild, or remain ignorant and isolated? Things are so much deeper in this world, and to hold it to the mediocre standards of 2 hr flicks that have been growing increasingly worse over the years is just absurd. stop ruining walking dead for me ;( I'm not trying to ruin the show... I'm just saying that we shouldn't lower the bar to B-movie standards because the show happens to have a popular B-movie twist If the show is about the things you outlined, then its failing miserably and I can no longer watch such crap. but if its meant to be taken how i perceive it to be (a really, really, really good B movie done realistically) then it remains awesome. Is it really doing the B movie thing well though? So little zombie killing, too much drama. Season 1 had zombie killing and drama. People liked it. Season 2 had alot of drama, not enough zombie killing. People complain about not enough zombie killing. Season 3 so far is LOTS of zombie killing and drama. Yet, people still complain about little zombie killing? Can't win with some people lol
I was just comparing it to a B movie. Don't have a problem with the amount of zombie killing in the show, personally, but it's the drama that's poorly written, I feel. It's, to me, not supposed to be like a zombie movie. It seems quite clear that they're trying to do something more than that and they're not doing it very well.
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i honestly don't feel much of a connection to anyone on the show and the deaths didn't make me feel sad at all, not saying i don't get sad when watching tv though.
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