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On October 22 2012 13:52 Rkie wrote:
I don't mind the show, it is very entertaining. The characters are the biggest issue I have with it though. For me, Daryl is the only really good character. Lori is a believably accurate character as well as maybe Glenn, but the rest are bad imo. I liked Shane too until he started doing the whole "I'm better than everyone else" routine. As for other stuff, there are a lot of slow parts but the fighting scenes make up for those.
Plus, zombies are cool.
Agreed.
And yeah Daryl is by far the best character. Plus only thing better than zombies are zombies + crossbows.
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Fucking great episode (episode 1). But one thing that just had me screaming was WHY do they not double make sure to stab any zombies that seem dead in the head? God... Lack of caution..
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On October 20 2012 16:03 p4NDemik wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is a very accurate analysis of this show, unfortunately.
For me, that chart would only apply to me for about 3-4 episodes.
Tonight wasn't one of them 
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On October 22 2012 12:17 pt wrote:
wow this episode was lacking.
How was it lacking?
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The thing I've never understood is that when ever they kill a Zombie they aren't shit scared that they might get some of the Zombies blood in their eyes or perhaps an open wound they got earlier before. The person who produces the show obviously doesn't take that into consideration with his characters.
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Loved this episode.
Great interpretation of people just walking into the apocalypse without a clue as to whats happened and how to deal with it.
Much like Rick's hospital scene until he met with the man who's not been scene since.
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On October 22 2012 15:56 Radioman wrote:
Loved this episode.
Great interpretation of people just walking into the apocalypse without a clue as to whats happened and how to deal with it.
Much like Rick's hospital scene until he met with the man who's not been scene since.
I'd be very interested in the off chance of the them meeting again after all this time. Be cool if the Rick now would welcome him or consider him an outsider.
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On October 22 2012 14:39 Disengaged wrote:For me, that chart would only apply to me for about 3-4 episodes. Tonight wasn't one of them
Pretty much all of last season was like that for me, and a little of the end of the first season unfortunately =/
Things are looking up though with this episode.
On October 22 2012 10:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
That was literally THE STUPIDEST thing I have ever witnessed a human ever do.
Like seriously? Performing mouth-to-mouth on a recently deceased in a zombie apocalypse...
What the fuck?
Yup, Lori is still the dumbest brick on the block. Rick saying he doesn't think she's a bad mother = LOL. At least she can admit to herself she's a horrible mom even if Rick can't bring himself to say it. Yet another "are you fucking kidding me?" moment on TWD.
On October 22 2012 12:17 pt wrote:
wow this episode was lacking.
I disagree, I still have a lot of reservations about how they handled this episode (which was basically like 5-10 comic issues rolled up into 1 hr) but for the most part the fact that they condensed so much plot into one episode improved the show drastically. For the first time since early in season one I found myself being drawn into their adaptation rather than drawing away during long periods of horrible dialogue. They maximized the things this show actually can do right this episode and minimized the stuff they suck at (dialogue). If they continue on this route it will be a marked improvement over the previous season in my opinion, but if they decide to do that it will come at the cost of missing out on the true potential of the source material.
It will be interesting to see if this episode will be the new norm or the outlier in this season.
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On October 22 2012 16:30 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 14:39 Disengaged wrote:On October 20 2012 16:03 p4NDemik wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is a very accurate analysis of this show, unfortunately. For me, that chart would only apply to me for about 3-4 episodes. Tonight wasn't one of them Pretty much all of last season was like that for me, and a little of the end of the first season unfortunately =/ Things are looking up though with this episode. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 10:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
That was literally THE STUPIDEST thing I have ever witnessed a human ever do.
Like seriously? Performing mouth-to-mouth on a recently deceased in a zombie apocalypse...
What the fuck? Yup, Lori is still the dumbest brick on the block. Rick saying he doesn't think she's a bad mother = LOL. At least she can admit to herself she's a horrible mom even if Rick can't bring himself to say it. Yet another "are you fucking kidding me?" moment on TWD. I disagree, I still have a lot of reservations about how they handled this episode (which was basically like 5-10 comic issues rolled up into 1 hr) but for the most part the fact that they condensed so much plot into one episode improved the show drastically. For the first time since early in season one I found myself being drawn into their adaptation rather than drawing away during long periods of horrible dialogue. They maximized the things this show actually can do right this episode and minimized the stuff they suck at (dialogue). If they continue on this route it will be a marked improvement over the previous season in my opinion, but if they decide to do that it will come at the cost of missing out on the true potential of the source material. It will be interesting to see if this episode will be the new norm or the outlier in this season.
On your second point, the way I interpreted that scene was Rick giving her a hand on the shoulder out of pity but not empathy; almost as if he agreed with her. After the first two episodes it seems to me that Rick and even Carl(I guess he's having hormone/teenager issues, but Lori is a dumb ass) both hate Lori, but perhaps I was reading too much into the tone and intensity of that scene.
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On October 22 2012 16:35 ChuCky.Ca wrote:+ Show Spoiler +curious were those prisoners in the comics?
+ Show Spoiler +Yeah they were. I can't remember what happened when they first met, however they did indeed engage with prisoners in the comic series. The Television show is a lot different to the comic though especially in the Prison, but that isn't a bad thing imo.
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On October 22 2012 16:35 ChuCky.Ca wrote:+ Show Spoiler +curious were those prisoners in the comics?
+ Show Spoiler +Yes, there were convicts in the comics. Had different names, though. Makes me wonder if it'll play out at all like it did in the comics
On October 22 2012 15:28 blug wrote:
The thing I've never understood is that when ever they kill a Zombie they aren't shit scared that they might get some of the Zombies blood in their eyes or perhaps an open wound they got earlier before. The person who produces the show obviously doesn't take that into consideration with his characters.
The funny thing is they don't worry about it too much in the comics either.
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On October 22 2012 16:35 DrTJEckleburg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 16:30 p4NDemik wrote:On October 22 2012 14:39 Disengaged wrote:On October 20 2012 16:03 p4NDemik wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is a very accurate analysis of this show, unfortunately. For me, that chart would only apply to me for about 3-4 episodes. Tonight wasn't one of them Pretty much all of last season was like that for me, and a little of the end of the first season unfortunately =/ Things are looking up though with this episode. On October 22 2012 10:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
That was literally THE STUPIDEST thing I have ever witnessed a human ever do.
Like seriously? Performing mouth-to-mouth on a recently deceased in a zombie apocalypse...
What the fuck? Yup, Lori is still the dumbest brick on the block. Rick saying he doesn't think she's a bad mother = LOL. At least she can admit to herself she's a horrible mom even if Rick can't bring himself to say it. Yet another "are you fucking kidding me?" moment on TWD. On October 22 2012 12:17 pt wrote:
wow this episode was lacking. I disagree, I still have a lot of reservations about how they handled this episode (which was basically like 5-10 comic issues rolled up into 1 hr) but for the most part the fact that they condensed so much plot into one episode improved the show drastically. For the first time since early in season one I found myself being drawn into their adaptation rather than drawing away during long periods of horrible dialogue. They maximized the things this show actually can do right this episode and minimized the stuff they suck at (dialogue). If they continue on this route it will be a marked improvement over the previous season in my opinion, but if they decide to do that it will come at the cost of missing out on the true potential of the source material. It will be interesting to see if this episode will be the new norm or the outlier in this season. On your second point, the way I interpreted that scene was Rick giving her a hand on the shoulder out of pity but not empathy; almost as if he agreed with her. After the first two episodes it seems to me that Rick and even Carl(I guess he's having hormone/teenager issues, but Lori is a dumb ass) both hate Lori, but perhaps I was reading too much into the tone and intensity of that scene.
I think the hand on shoulder bit was more just part of his thank you, and showed that that is basically as much physical contact as he's comfortable with her (which is barely any) .Saying that the group was really thankful for what she did basically excludes her from the group. It's his way of saying they appreciate what she did, but he really doesn't care about her as much anymore. Had he cared about her more he probably would have lectured/yelled at her about how risky what she did was.
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Ep2 was terrible. Nothing really happened and so many scenes with people just staring at each other (which I guess one could argue is better than the dialogue usually is...).
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On October 22 2012 16:35 ChuCky.Ca wrote:+ Show Spoiler +curious were those prisoners in the comics?
Yeah, but there are big differences. If you want to understand the differences, which spoils a big portion of the prison in the comic, I will spoiler it:
+ Show Spoiler +In the tv series they come across 5 prisoners while being overwhelmed by a large group of walkers. The prisoners seem to know little about the outbreak, and they actually don't get along with Rick's group that well at all, considering they try to kill him the first chance they get. So now all but 2 out of the 5 are dead.
In the comics they're just doing routine clearings and then decide to now clear the cafeteria. When they open it there are 4 prisoners sitting there asking them if they "want some meatloaf?" Then they all begin talking and introduce themselves to the group. They actually do know plenty about the outbreak, and have been holed up in the cafeteria since. In the comics they actually aren't too bad to one another. The only problems start when one of the prisoners who seemed normal goes on a serial killing spree of Hershel's children, and Rick accuses the wrong one in the group to have done it. That begins infighting which leads to 2 dying, and another running off into the woods in grief. The remaining one has no problems with Rick's group, and actually doesn't die until the Woodbury army attacks and kills him.
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On October 22 2012 16:47 blug wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah they were. I can't remember what happened when they first met, however they did indeed engage with prisoners in the comic series. The Television show is a lot different to the comic though especially in the Prison, but that isn't a bad thing imo.
+ Show Spoiler +they can't play it out like the comic, some of that shit, especially with the governor is just too damn raw for the type of mainstream audience the show's acquired. and I agree, I think that's just fine, the comic does what it does well and I think I'm more interested in the show figuring out what it can do well rather than stumbling around trying to do the comic and failing.
On October 22 2012 17:03 Quenchiest wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 15:28 blug wrote:
The thing I've never understood is that when ever they kill a Zombie they aren't shit scared that they might get some of the Zombies blood in their eyes or perhaps an open wound they got earlier before. The person who produces the show obviously doesn't take that into consideration with his characters. The funny thing is they don't worry about it too much in the comics either.
eh, internal consistency is all that's really important. they care about egregious infection stuff like getting bit or clawed and don't worry about the incidental crap like blood in the eyes so that they can present the visuals they want. I think that's reasonable to expect from the audience's suspension of disbelief.
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On October 22 2012 16:35 DrTJEckleburg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 16:30 p4NDemik wrote:On October 22 2012 14:39 Disengaged wrote:On October 20 2012 16:03 p4NDemik wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is a very accurate analysis of this show, unfortunately. For me, that chart would only apply to me for about 3-4 episodes. Tonight wasn't one of them Pretty much all of last season was like that for me, and a little of the end of the first season unfortunately =/ Things are looking up though with this episode. On October 22 2012 10:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
That was literally THE STUPIDEST thing I have ever witnessed a human ever do.
Like seriously? Performing mouth-to-mouth on a recently deceased in a zombie apocalypse...
What the fuck? Yup, Lori is still the dumbest brick on the block. Rick saying he doesn't think she's a bad mother = LOL. At least she can admit to herself she's a horrible mom even if Rick can't bring himself to say it. Yet another "are you fucking kidding me?" moment on TWD. On October 22 2012 12:17 pt wrote:
wow this episode was lacking. I disagree, I still have a lot of reservations about how they handled this episode (which was basically like 5-10 comic issues rolled up into 1 hr) but for the most part the fact that they condensed so much plot into one episode improved the show drastically. For the first time since early in season one I found myself being drawn into their adaptation rather than drawing away during long periods of horrible dialogue. They maximized the things this show actually can do right this episode and minimized the stuff they suck at (dialogue). If they continue on this route it will be a marked improvement over the previous season in my opinion, but if they decide to do that it will come at the cost of missing out on the true potential of the source material. It will be interesting to see if this episode will be the new norm or the outlier in this season. On your second point, the way I interpreted that scene was Rick giving her a hand on the shoulder out of pity but not empathy; almost as if he agreed with her. After the first two episodes it seems to me that Rick and even Carl(I guess he's having hormone/teenager issues, but Lori is a dumb ass) both hate Lori, but perhaps I was reading too much into the tone and intensity of that scene.
I think you're actually pretty close with that assessment there. To be clear, my interpretation was that he was flat-out lying with that comment, that he didn't actually believe the words he was saying, and was doing it out of pity. His body language, the distance he kept between them, his exit from that scene, hell he even put his hand through his hair when he was saying it. Its just funny that the writers put them in a place where one freely admits she's stupid and the other can't tell her she's stupid out of pity.
Other thoughts:
- Why did Carol have to do the dissection immediately again? I know Lori is rapidly approaching her due date, but her stepping out while one of the group is seemingly about to die seems unbelievable. I was cool with Glen thinking it was a good idea, because it is, but not immediately. I guess the baby is going to be born next episode then, otherwise I can't think of any reason the writers would feel it is necessary to insert that scene.
- We already talked about Lori trying CPR and how dumb it was, but how did no one stop her, or even say a word? Again, I've come to assume Lori will do something stupid but Maggie seemed to a) want to let go, and b) be reasonable enough to know this is the WORST idea possible at that moment. Stupid, unbelievable altogether manufactured, but the rest of the episode surprisingly made up for it.
- At some point Rick and Daryl were running point and the psychopath mustachioed dude was behind them. Again, there was obvious distrust the entire episode, and this behavior made no sense. Subtle thing but it annoyed me.
- I was expecting the scene with Maggie and Hershel on his deathbed to suck, but I was actually surprised it brought some real emotion. Props to Lauren Cohan for some pretty solid acting.
- Didn't know Lamont from American History X got re-arrested and thrown into a Georgia jail after getting out of Chino ... its a shame he only got 1 episode, I thought he was pretty damn good in that movie. I guess he played the role too well ...
- What is the name of the one surviving black prisoners name? Also, kind of sad/typical/funny they introduce 3 more black characters and before the episode is even over 2 of them are dead. T got a few lines this episode! Something about food and then the advice to remove the bodies and burn them ... still can't really call that progress at all, they really don't really seem to have any initiative to flesh his character out sadly. I keep hoping, but they never do.
Finally some comic stuff:
+ Show Spoiler [Comic comparison/spoilers] +First of all, it sucks that Axel has been turned into some sniveling crying wimp. I'm trying to think about the rationale of not having a more manly man play that role. I guess they didn't think it would be believable that Rick would have mercy on him if he actually had any kind of imposing stature? Since they didn't have any time to actually get acquainted there obviously was no time for trust to be built for any of them, and there still really isn't any trust, he only survived because Rick didn't see him as a threat. Also, not a single "you follow me?" all episode unless I missed something. I'm very disappointed.
I didn't really think about it until now but a lot of the pre-Governor prison drama wasn't really feasible, thus this speed-up in action and plot development. Mostly all of the issues with Tyreese and the friction between him and Rick. That took up a lot of comic-time and was out of the question unfortunately. I really do hope they get a new survivor in the group that can garner trust among the others and actually challenge Rick's alpha-dog role. Doesn't look like that will be happening until probably at least next season.
Initially I thought the one thing they could have actually done was still have the brutal murder of Hershel's other daughter though in place of the twins. They had to chose between that and having Hershel lose his leg, because if Hershel is out of commission or seriously weak he won't have much energy to grieve. I still prefer the comic version of initial cautious, but open-mindedness followed by betrayal and distrust, but maybe in the end they made the right choice. After all in the comics they hadn't had a really negative experience with other survivors yet before the prison. In the TV show they did last season with the shootout at the OK Corral. Rick is obviously already in a much darker place than he was at the same point in the comics. Probably the right choice within the context of the show, but again makes me pissed they fucked up last season so bad.
Again, overall improvement, but I'm not sure if it's momentary or here to stay.
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On October 22 2012 17:22 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 16:47 blug wrote:On October 22 2012 16:35 ChuCky.Ca wrote:+ Show Spoiler +curious were those prisoners in the comics? + Show Spoiler +Yeah they were. I can't remember what happened when they first met, however they did indeed engage with prisoners in the comic series. The Television show is a lot different to the comic though especially in the Prison, but that isn't a bad thing imo. + Show Spoiler +they can't play it out like the comic, some of that shit, especially with the governor is just too damn raw for the type of mainstream audience the show's acquired. and I agree, I think that's just fine, the comic does what it does well and I think I'm more interested in the show figuring out what it can do well rather than stumbling around trying to do the comic and failing. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 17:03 Quenchiest wrote:On October 22 2012 15:28 blug wrote:
The thing I've never understood is that when ever they kill a Zombie they aren't shit scared that they might get some of the Zombies blood in their eyes or perhaps an open wound they got earlier before. The person who produces the show obviously doesn't take that into consideration with his characters. The funny thing is they don't worry about it too much in the comics either. eh, internal consistency is all that's really important. they care about egregious infection stuff like getting bit or clawed and don't worry about the incidental crap like blood in the eyes so that they can present the visuals they want. I think that's reasonable to expect from the audience's suspension of disbelief.
Agreed. I suppose if it was really real life people would either try to find surgical mask-ish, non-vision impeding ways to cover their mouth, while also always wearing sunglasses or protective eyewear. But having the characters cover their faces during every hectic scene just wouldn't make for a good comic-reading or tv-watching experience.
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On October 20 2012 16:03 p4NDemik wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is a very accurate analysis of this show, unfortunately.
On October 22 2012 14:16 Chytilova wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 13:52 Rkie wrote:
I don't mind the show, it is very entertaining. The characters are the biggest issue I have with it though. For me, Daryl is the only really good character. Lori is a believably accurate character as well as maybe Glenn, but the rest are bad imo. I liked Shane too until he started doing the whole "I'm better than everyone else" routine. As for other stuff, there are a lot of slow parts but the fighting scenes make up for those.
Plus, zombies are cool. Agreed. And yeah Daryl is by far the best character. Plus only thing better than zombies are zombies + crossbows.
There's the answer to that image. Mother fucking Daryl.
Best character all time in a zombie apocalypse setting.
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