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On March 21 2012 00:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Either way, people are still complaining about the show not being real enough? WHO CARES... It's a damn show, it's suppose to entertain you, you're suppose to have fun watching the show. Stop being so emotional about the gun not recoiling. I've never seen so many people complain about stupid little things. It's like me saying, that the Mw3 Zombies game you guys play doesn't have recoil either when you shoot a gun with it's infinite ammo and that's why I hate it. Like let it go already, seriously.
There is a huge difference between demanding everything that happens in the show to be realistic, and wanting the stuff happening in the show to follow a certain "amount" of logic. Lots of the stuff people are complaining about are things that the writers and producers fucked up, where the alternative is a 100% better fit for a certain scene. There's a lot of sloppyness going around.
Also, it's not similar at all to the CoD (I suppose you mean Black Ops?) zombie mod as thats not meant to be taken seriously. According to the script of TWD, it's quite obvious they are trying to make this a serious, emotional and deep show. They are dedicating a lot of time to showcase different characters' emotions and thought-processes. It is at this point people are quick to start bashing the show, when the execution of the show doesn't mount up to the ambition.
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On March 21 2012 02:14 SRBNikola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 01:53 BRaegO wrote:
This show is the perfect example of writers not giving their characters COMMON SENSE.
Certain parts that just drive me mad are:
Herschel cared more about his farm than his family...(also his endless shotgun)
"I lost my farm, family..."
Glen saying lets get out of here and Maggie freaking out cause they have like only 5 zombies around their car...5 and freaking out...she then backs up and leaves when they weren't even in any real danger...
Rick's wife getting mad at him for killing Shane after he explained Shane took him out there to kill Rick...what a dumb bitch... can't wait for her to bite it
Sophia's mom(don't care enough to listen for her name) crying out for help as she slowly walks slumped over like she had been running for 5hrs straight... when she really only went like 30 yards... fucking stupid
Also the fact that the zombies didn't even touch the house... literally they just left it... The barn was more than enough of a distraction... if everyone stayed inside quietly after the barn started up, they wouldn't have bothered with it...
T-Dog(fucking retarded name, ffs I wouldn't be able to act if I had to say his name outloud while filming) saying how he was going to leave everyone... He is in a 4 ton truck.... really? too afraid to go back.. and no it wasn't "swarming" with zombies either..
How hard would it to have had someone hop in a vehicle, drive 10mins away with the zombies following close... lead them away and find another route... Also if you live in a world infested with zombies, why the fuck wouldn't you put up a reasonable defense... stronger/taller fence... more weapons?
I understand this is a TV show, but the point of the show is staying alive if this were to happen in the real world(which is where this is based btw...). So why can't the writers at least use some common sense before writing such stupid bullshit.
I purchased the first season cause well it was great... but this season was terrible and it took the whole season to finally get rid of emo Shane that it's not worth it. Since I know the direction the next season is cause of the comics, I can say it more than likely will be much better than this previous. Regardless, I'm done with this steeming pile that is "The Walking Dead".
Wow I feel better. :D It doesn't metter anyway, its all about Michonne and Rick  (Carl's also important in comics, but in this tv show he is annoying..)
Carl in the comic series is freaking awesome (also badass). I can't say the same for Carl in the tv series 
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On March 21 2012 05:05 Ballack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 00:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Either way, people are still complaining about the show not being real enough? WHO CARES... It's a damn show, it's suppose to entertain you, you're suppose to have fun watching the show. Stop being so emotional about the gun not recoiling. I've never seen so many people complain about stupid little things. It's like me saying, that the Mw3 Zombies game you guys play doesn't have recoil either when you shoot a gun with it's infinite ammo and that's why I hate it. Like let it go already, seriously. There is a huge difference between demanding everything that happens in the show to be realistic, and wanting the stuff happening in the show to follow a certain "amount" of logic. Lots of the stuff people are complaining about are things that the writers and producers fucked up, where the alternative is a 100% better fit for a certain scene. There's a lot of sloppyness going around. Also, it's not similar at all to the CoD (I suppose you mean Black Ops?) zombie mod as thats not meant to be taken seriously. According to the script of TWD, it's quite obvious they are trying to make this a serious, emotional and deep show. They are dedicating a lot of time to showcase different characters' emotions and thought-processes. It is at this point people are quick to start bashing the show, when the execution of the show doesn't mount up to the ambition.
Exactly, both Science Fiction and Fantasy worlds are unrealistic, however they still follow the rules that are set forth by the author(s)/writers. Lord of the Rings is a perfect example of a world that is 99.5% coherent and logical, and stays within the confines of its own rules.
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Season 2 finale was pretty good.
I wish more episodes were like this; guns, zombies and a good enough dose of drama. Finally starting to use fire vs Zombies is great as well.
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On March 20 2012 12:57 Tien wrote:
I hate Lori.
How can she still give her husband so much cold shoulder shit everytime he does something logical / rational.
Logic / rationality escapes her completely.
I don't think she got as pissed as she was until she heard that Carl had put Shane down. Right as Rick said that she started to freak out. She must really care a lot for Carl... but why can't she just keep an eye on him?
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Lori pisses me off so much. She can't take care of her own son for five minutes and then she complains about what happens when he runs off? She's such a great stereotypical example of a hysteric irrational woman.
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On March 21 2012 05:05 Ballack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 00:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Either way, people are still complaining about the show not being real enough? WHO CARES... It's a damn show, it's suppose to entertain you, you're suppose to have fun watching the show. Stop being so emotional about the gun not recoiling. I've never seen so many people complain about stupid little things. It's like me saying, that the Mw3 Zombies game you guys play doesn't have recoil either when you shoot a gun with it's infinite ammo and that's why I hate it. Like let it go already, seriously. There is a huge difference between demanding everything that happens in the show to be realistic, and wanting the stuff happening in the show to follow a certain "amount" of logic. Lots of the stuff people are complaining about are things that the writers and producers fucked up, where the alternative is a 100% better fit for a certain scene. There's a lot of sloppyness going around. Also, it's not similar at all to the CoD (I suppose you mean Black Ops?) zombie mod as thats not meant to be taken seriously. According to the script of TWD, it's quite obvious they are trying to make this a serious, emotional and deep show. They are dedicating a lot of time to showcase different characters' emotions and thought-processes. It is at this point people are quick to start bashing the show, when the execution of the show doesn't mount up to the ambition.
Considering that the arrival of Michonne and the prison are hot on the heals of the series being pushed back towards the comics, expect any previous hints of realism to go out the window.
Don't get me wrong the comic is great, but I was enjoying the grittier hints of realism from the show, bringing michonne in is truly the mark that season three is going to be absolutely crazy, expect a lot infinite ammo modes, and cheesy personalities to surface.
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This thread has gotten really difficult to read. I respect everyone's right to voice their opinions, but there's a limit to how many times I, and I suspect many others, want to read about how Lori pisses everyone off, or Carl is acted poorly, or that the show isn't entirely realistic or consistent. These are all valid complaints of course, and they are worth voicing from time to time, but I think eventually we start to miss the forest for the trees when we focus so heavily and these relatively minor issues. The Walking Dead is a compelling show that alot of people really enjoy, and it would be great to see more celebration of that and more discussion of the shows plot, themes, and other devices, and less harping on widely accepted but not overly consequential flaws.
EDIT: So i guess some people have pretty big problems with the acting, how internally consistent the show is and whatever, and find it to be pretty consequential. I still enjoy the show though, and the sentiment I expressed still stands.
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So much drama in the the finale. I need to stop getting so emotionally involved with tv series.
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Love Rick's rage in the end. + Show Spoiler +"I killed my best friend for you guys, we staying together!"
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i know my reaction is too late already but i really like the season finale especially when i saw MICHONNE!!! oh men! can't wait for the next season...
i also had a feeling that andrea will survive although lots of people are irritated on andrea's character but i liked her in the comics, and in this finale episode, she's a badass! killing zombies everywhere using knife and banging a zombie head in the trunk of a tree, cool hehe
and what's the oasis in the last scene? did i see that correctly?
comics spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +is that the prison? looks like they're going to follow some of the plots from the comics then. MICHONNE + PRISON!!! NICE!!! who's going to be tyris then? could it be t-dawg? haha
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This show has improved a lot I think. The first few episodes of season 1 were good. When it went to the health unit place, I didn't care for it. I agree with keeping Shane alive longer, but I'm glad with what has happened now.
I agree that the show is better when it's more realistic, but we're watching a show with zombies that is based on a comic book.
+ Show Spoiler [comic spoilers] +What I'm wondering is if they will introduce a whole bunch of new characters, and if they'll do a good job of the governor saga, which is one of my favorite parts of the comic series. (also, Lori dying won't bother me, because she is irritating right now, as everyone here seems to agree) + Show Spoiler [season 3 spoilers] +
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On March 21 2012 08:30 VediVeci wrote:
This thread has gotten really difficult to read. I respect everyone's right to voice their opinions, but there's a limit to how many times I, and I suspect many others, want to read about how Lori pisses everyone off, or Carl is acted poorly, or that the show isn't entirely realistic or consistent. These are all valid complaints of course, and they are worth voicing from time to time, but I think eventually we start to miss the forest for the trees when we focus so heavily and these relatively minor issues. The Walking Dead is a compelling show that alot of people really enjoy, and it would be great to see more celebration of that and more discussion of the shows plot, themes, and other devices, and less harping on widely accepted but not overly consequential flaws.
EDIT: So i guess some people have pretty big problems with the acting, how internally consistent the show is and whatever, and find it to be pretty consequential. I still enjoy the show though, and the sentiment I expressed still stands.
Some shows are about details and fixing minor issues, some not.
For example, Rick not telling about how everyone has been infected would get me angry for putting me at danger If I have to kill non zombie and not knowing that he/she comes back as zombie (unless shot to head etc). I would care less that we all got it.
It just seems that writers (mainly lazy too) have problems when they are using recent ethic/morale dilemmas rather than going back 200-500 years how people survived that time. Sure they can use technology we have this time to look it good. Another example is Randall situation. Basically thinking to return Randall back to other group is way too hasty thinking (they saw him hurt and left -> other group assumes he is dead). I would just list pros/cons and see if he is useful for our group and then decide fate.
As you can see how people are getting annoyed how Lori is not suitable for apocalypse scenes. Causes problems between people (Rick & Shane), puts other people to danger (Maggie & Glenn), can't keep eye on her kid and complaining about things (lowers morale). No wonder people are angry about her.
I might ask what makes this series good for you? For me its survival and realism. I would care less about Loris relationship problems. At least Carl is changing "lifestyle" how it should be.
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On March 21 2012 10:07 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:30 VediVeci wrote:
This thread has gotten really difficult to read. I respect everyone's right to voice their opinions, but there's a limit to how many times I, and I suspect many others, want to read about how Lori pisses everyone off, or Carl is acted poorly, or that the show isn't entirely realistic or consistent. These are all valid complaints of course, and they are worth voicing from time to time, but I think eventually we start to miss the forest for the trees when we focus so heavily and these relatively minor issues. The Walking Dead is a compelling show that alot of people really enjoy, and it would be great to see more celebration of that and more discussion of the shows plot, themes, and other devices, and less harping on widely accepted but not overly consequential flaws.
EDIT: So i guess some people have pretty big problems with the acting, how internally consistent the show is and whatever, and find it to be pretty consequential. I still enjoy the show though, and the sentiment I expressed still stands. Some shows are about details and fixing minor issues, some not. For example, Rick not telling about how everyone has been infected would get me angry for putting me at danger If I have to kill non zombie and not knowing that he/she comes back as zombie (unless shot to head etc). I would care less that we all got it. It just seems that writers (mainly lazy too) have problems when they are using recent ethic/morale dilemmas rather than going back 200-500 years how people survived that time. Sure they can use technology we have this time to look it good. Another example is Randall situation. Basically thinking to return Randall back to other group is way too hasty thinking (they saw him hurt and left -> other group assumes he is dead). I would just list pros/cons and see if he is useful for our group and then decide fate. As you can see how people are getting annoyed how Lori is not suitable for apocalypse scenes. Causes problems between people (Rick & Shane), puts other people to danger (Maggie & Glenn), can't keep eye on her kid and complaining about things (lowers morale). No wonder people are angry about her. I might ask what makes this series good for you? For me its survival and realism. I would care less about Loris relationship problems. At least Carl is changing "lifestyle" how it should be.
I think you're looking at the series from the wrong angle. I know nothing about the comic, but from the very start of the show it was clear to me that it's more about the characters and their interpersonal relationships than the zombies and the apocalypse. This means that all this chatter and the drama between the character IS extremely important to how the director/writers want to lead the show.
It is very similar to Lost in that sense, in which it puts a group of characters in an extremely stressful/fantastic situation, and then plays with how the characters transform in time, and how their relationships develop. It creates a strong link between the viewer and the characters, which makes it all the more stunning when a character dies or transforms into something different from what he/she was. It's clear Lost's approach was a lot better, but I still enjoy that part of this show a lot.
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On March 21 2012 11:14 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 10:07 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On March 21 2012 08:30 VediVeci wrote:
This thread has gotten really difficult to read. I respect everyone's right to voice their opinions, but there's a limit to how many times I, and I suspect many others, want to read about how Lori pisses everyone off, or Carl is acted poorly, or that the show isn't entirely realistic or consistent. These are all valid complaints of course, and they are worth voicing from time to time, but I think eventually we start to miss the forest for the trees when we focus so heavily and these relatively minor issues. The Walking Dead is a compelling show that alot of people really enjoy, and it would be great to see more celebration of that and more discussion of the shows plot, themes, and other devices, and less harping on widely accepted but not overly consequential flaws.
EDIT: So i guess some people have pretty big problems with the acting, how internally consistent the show is and whatever, and find it to be pretty consequential. I still enjoy the show though, and the sentiment I expressed still stands. Some shows are about details and fixing minor issues, some not. For example, Rick not telling about how everyone has been infected would get me angry for putting me at danger If I have to kill non zombie and not knowing that he/she comes back as zombie (unless shot to head etc). I would care less that we all got it. It just seems that writers (mainly lazy too) have problems when they are using recent ethic/morale dilemmas rather than going back 200-500 years how people survived that time. Sure they can use technology we have this time to look it good. Another example is Randall situation. Basically thinking to return Randall back to other group is way too hasty thinking (they saw him hurt and left -> other group assumes he is dead). I would just list pros/cons and see if he is useful for our group and then decide fate. As you can see how people are getting annoyed how Lori is not suitable for apocalypse scenes. Causes problems between people (Rick & Shane), puts other people to danger (Maggie & Glenn), can't keep eye on her kid and complaining about things (lowers morale). No wonder people are angry about her. I might ask what makes this series good for you? For me its survival and realism. I would care less about Loris relationship problems. At least Carl is changing "lifestyle" how it should be. I think you're looking at the series from the wrong angle. I know nothing about the comic, but from the very start of the show it was clear to me that it's more about the characters and their interpersonal relationships than the zombies and the apocalypse. This means that all this chatter and the drama between the character IS extremely important to how the director/writers want to lead the show. It is very similar to Lost in that sense, in which it puts a group of characters in an extremely stressful/fantastic situation, and then plays with how the characters transform in time, and how their relationships develop. It creates a strong link between the viewer and the characters, which makes it all the more stunning when a character dies or transforms into something different from what he/she was. It's clear Lost's approach was a lot better, but I still enjoy that part of this show a lot.
I haven't read comic either. They can keep drama and everything but increase realism a bit more. They should answer more questions that show brings up and still keep drama. Lori character could work if they make it more acceptable to audience. If they just put her to do hard labor (showing on screen) and then loses track of Carl is now more acceptable to audience. Now it just seems that she does nothing and while doing nothing she fails simple things like not following where Carl is. Now compare it to Daryl where its okay to him to complain because he is useful with his crossbow and hunting skills for other people. Of course now Lori doesn't have to be worry about anything because Rick is leading group now.
Lost was very interesting for season 1 and 2 but after that it lost its appeal (few episodes were good though later on mainly including Faraday and time traveling).
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I felt the show fell into a bit of a lull for the first half of Season 2, but it really picked up for the last few episodes, starting with the shoot-out in the bar and it kept building nicely from there. I have mixed feelings on this show, but I do enjoy it for the most part. Not as good as Justified or Game of Thrones though.
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just a question on the side, unrelated to all the complaints about writing, lori and carl :-)
did we ever get an explanation as to how sophia ended up in the barn? afaik we are never told
whether she got bit or died of other causes and then turned. and how did she come to be in the barn?
someone from the farm must have put her there at some point full well knowing that this might
be the little girl the newly arrived group is looking for. and then why were there no repercussions?
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On March 21 2012 19:19 krok(obs) wrote:
just a question on the side, unrelated to all the complaints about writing, lori and carl :-)
did we ever get an explanation as to how sophia ended up in the barn? afaik we are never told
whether she got bit or died of other causes and then turned. and how did she come to be in the barn?
someone from the farm must have put her there at some point full well knowing that this might
be the little girl the newly arrived group is looking for. and then why were there no repercussions?
pretty sure otis found her as a zombie and put her in there. Shane killed him before anyone could bring up the missing girl
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Otis put her there but he died before he could tell about it.
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