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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 22 2012 04:34 GMT
#2621
Very happy with the last episode. To be honest, I've been extremely disappointed with TWD's second season. There have been a couple highlights for sure, but the first season was miles ahead. Anyway, this is still much better than most TV shows

"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
February 22 2012 04:37 GMT
#2622
lending my voice to the chorus of support for that episode. There's nothing wrong with character study, but make it part of the action. The narrative of TWD cannot rely on brooding, desperation is a key component. Rick, Herschel and Glen's shootout and return to the farm was probably the most interesting thing that happened this season. Sure, the reveal of Sophia had the "wow factor," but I'd rather see a crazy and desperate environment affect the characters than a laconic soap opera that happens to involve zombies.

In relation to comics
+ Show Spoiler +
The comics repeatedly portray safety/danger in a number of lights, making it clear that everyone is never truly safe. Shane's death made it clear that people are a danger to eachother, but it became a group vs. group type of thing much faster than it has during the series. In terms of the intra-group dynamic, each person is more a danger to themselves than to eachother. See: Carol, Jim, Chris and Julie.
Hi Mom
Areon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States273 Posts
February 22 2012 04:49 GMT
#2623
Is every attractive female in American TV made out to be a slut? Because that's one of my only qualms with this awesome show, and TV in general. Otherwise this is probably one of the best thriller series ever made.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
February 22 2012 04:51 GMT
#2624
On February 22 2012 12:51 mahO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 12:35 RowdierBob wrote:
Call me a heretic, but I think running zombies are way cooler; they're so much scarier and more menacing.

If the world ever got zombiefied I could see humanity winning out against the slow, lurching type. But if running zombies ever rise up, we're all pretty screwed.


Thing is, you're kinda right, how the fuck did all the main communications got shut down in Walking Dead, doesnt make any sense, it could happen to one state maybe, but the whole world (since they're talking about France being touched too in season 1, it's obviously global, so it must have been some kind of bacteria, volatile, that would infect people all over the world, disappear, and just let us with zombies around everywhere). How the fuck can armies get screwed by zombies, you put mask on them, give them M16 with 5 clips, how the fuck could a squad, or even a fucking tank, get caught? It's a shame that they didnt elaborate more I think, the whole things seem "well end of the world, deal with it", I mean, even the movie The Road (holyfucking awesome movie by the way), they dont tell you ANYTHING, but it is still really easy to get the possibilities, and the fact that it all seems possible. Slow zombies cant bring the world down, but the earth could fuck up things on its own.
And zombies are fun, but why do people still think that it's a possibility? The only thing close to zombies would be a huge nuclear war, people starving / radiated that would kill eachother for food. And that wouldnt be so much fun I guess. But yeah, running zombies, I wouldnt even try I think ahah, but when you think of it, running zombies would be even more "fake", the fact that they can stand up and try to eat, mkay, but having good functional muscles and the ability to run mehh


Read World War Z for a possibility. Also read Day by Day Armageddon for another more personal account. It's basically ignorance and part politics getting in the way until it's too late.

Also, unlike in the show, your kill rate is not 100%, and definitely not 100% as a civilian, even if you are Rick or Shane or Andrea. You run out of bullets before you kill everything, or you kill everything and attract way more.

The basic premise of zombie movies is either, one infection that spreads. Or whenever you die, you reanimate.

Tanks run out of fuel and ammo, and the cannon is hugely useless for killing zombies. Also, if the commander decides to survey the area or use the mounted machine gun in the open, zombies might get in.

Also, how is a mask going to protect your neck, your legs, your arms from zombie bites?

Zombies aren't supposed to run or use tools. The show really messed up on those. The power of zombies is that they're undead. Never ending numbers, never ending patience, never ending thirst. If they kill you, you join them. The ultimate warrior.
There is no one like you in the universe.
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
February 22 2012 05:00 GMT
#2625
On February 22 2012 13:28 p4NDemik wrote:
The last scene in it was incredible. Made up for the rest of the episode and was one of the first times in a while I've said "wow" while watching the show.


Yes. That last 10min was amazing. The tense-ness, the change (or at least evidence of change) in Rick's character, and then the absolute top off:
Clutch - The Regulator

I still get chills when I listen to that song.
Fan of: IdrA, Sen, Stephano, Snute, Axlav, Hero
mahO
Profile Joined April 2011
France274 Posts
February 22 2012 05:07 GMT
#2626
On February 22 2012 13:51 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 12:51 mahO wrote:
On February 22 2012 12:35 RowdierBob wrote:
Call me a heretic, but I think running zombies are way cooler; they're so much scarier and more menacing.

If the world ever got zombiefied I could see humanity winning out against the slow, lurching type. But if running zombies ever rise up, we're all pretty screwed.


Thing is, you're kinda right, how the fuck did all the main communications got shut down in Walking Dead, doesnt make any sense, it could happen to one state maybe, but the whole world (since they're talking about France being touched too in season 1, it's obviously global, so it must have been some kind of bacteria, volatile, that would infect people all over the world, disappear, and just let us with zombies around everywhere). How the fuck can armies get screwed by zombies, you put mask on them, give them M16 with 5 clips, how the fuck could a squad, or even a fucking tank, get caught? It's a shame that they didnt elaborate more I think, the whole things seem "well end of the world, deal with it", I mean, even the movie The Road (holyfucking awesome movie by the way), they dont tell you ANYTHING, but it is still really easy to get the possibilities, and the fact that it all seems possible. Slow zombies cant bring the world down, but the earth could fuck up things on its own.
And zombies are fun, but why do people still think that it's a possibility? The only thing close to zombies would be a huge nuclear war, people starving / radiated that would kill eachother for food. And that wouldnt be so much fun I guess. But yeah, running zombies, I wouldnt even try I think ahah, but when you think of it, running zombies would be even more "fake", the fact that they can stand up and try to eat, mkay, but having good functional muscles and the ability to run mehh


Read World War Z for a possibility. Also read Day by Day Armageddon for another more personal account. It's basically ignorance and part politics getting in the way until it's too late.

Also, unlike in the show, your kill rate is not 100%, and definitely not 100% as a civilian, even if you are Rick or Shane or Andrea. You run out of bullets before you kill everything, or you kill everything and attract way more.

The basic premise of zombie movies is either, one infection that spreads. Or whenever you die, you reanimate.

Tanks run out of fuel and ammo, and the cannon is hugely useless for killing zombies. Also, if the commander decides to survey the area or use the mounted machine gun in the open, zombies might get in.

Also, how is a mask going to protect your neck, your legs, your arms from zombie bites?

Zombies aren't supposed to run or use tools. The show really messed up on those. The power of zombies is that they're undead. Never ending numbers, never ending patience, never ending thirst. If they kill you, you join them. The ultimate warrior.


Yeah sure, you're telling me that eventually, a group of 500 hundred soldiers (and thats little compared to the number who are trained and armed) will eventually get over run? Fuck no, they would nuke the center of the spread and anihilate the rest with ease, com'on... And one country might get over run, by bad organisation and contain of the spread, but the world? You're dreaming
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 05:38:46
February 22 2012 05:27 GMT
#2627
On February 22 2012 14:07 mahO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 13:51 Blisse wrote:
On February 22 2012 12:51 mahO wrote:
On February 22 2012 12:35 RowdierBob wrote:
Call me a heretic, but I think running zombies are way cooler; they're so much scarier and more menacing.

If the world ever got zombiefied I could see humanity winning out against the slow, lurching type. But if running zombies ever rise up, we're all pretty screwed.


Thing is, you're kinda right, how the fuck did all the main communications got shut down in Walking Dead, doesnt make any sense, it could happen to one state maybe, but the whole world (since they're talking about France being touched too in season 1, it's obviously global, so it must have been some kind of bacteria, volatile, that would infect people all over the world, disappear, and just let us with zombies around everywhere). How the fuck can armies get screwed by zombies, you put mask on them, give them M16 with 5 clips, how the fuck could a squad, or even a fucking tank, get caught? It's a shame that they didnt elaborate more I think, the whole things seem "well end of the world, deal with it", I mean, even the movie The Road (holyfucking awesome movie by the way), they dont tell you ANYTHING, but it is still really easy to get the possibilities, and the fact that it all seems possible. Slow zombies cant bring the world down, but the earth could fuck up things on its own.
And zombies are fun, but why do people still think that it's a possibility? The only thing close to zombies would be a huge nuclear war, people starving / radiated that would kill eachother for food. And that wouldnt be so much fun I guess. But yeah, running zombies, I wouldnt even try I think ahah, but when you think of it, running zombies would be even more "fake", the fact that they can stand up and try to eat, mkay, but having good functional muscles and the ability to run mehh


Read World War Z for a possibility. Also read Day by Day Armageddon for another more personal account. It's basically ignorance and part politics getting in the way until it's too late.

Also, unlike in the show, your kill rate is not 100%, and definitely not 100% as a civilian, even if you are Rick or Shane or Andrea. You run out of bullets before you kill everything, or you kill everything and attract way more.

The basic premise of zombie movies is either, one infection that spreads. Or whenever you die, you reanimate.

Tanks run out of fuel and ammo, and the cannon is hugely useless for killing zombies. Also, if the commander decides to survey the area or use the mounted machine gun in the open, zombies might get in.

Also, how is a mask going to protect your neck, your legs, your arms from zombie bites?

Zombies aren't supposed to run or use tools. The show really messed up on those. The power of zombies is that they're undead. Never ending numbers, never ending patience, never ending thirst. If they kill you, you join them. The ultimate warrior.


Yeah sure, you're telling me that eventually, a group of 500 hundred soldiers (and thats little compared to the number who are trained and armed) will eventually get over run? Fuck no, they would nuke the center of the spread and anihilate the rest with ease, com'on... And one country might get over run, by bad organisation and contain of the spread, but the world? You're dreaming


You're assuming that the civilization knows what zombies are. Would you know 50 years ago that if a zombie came up to you, you would have to shoot it in the head to survive? And crippling it does nothing? I don't believe it.

You're assuming that zombies are located in one place. Imagine everywhere in the world at once.

You're underestimating numbers. What is the population of New York? Imagine half of that as zombies.

If you haven't noticed, armies are relocated around the world, not just in one area. You'll have some who stick together in the camp, and others who rush back to be with their families. If you stick in a camp, what happens if you're holed up? Do you just walk across the country, scrounging up food that other survivors probably stolen, to feed your group of 500 soldiers, with limited ammunitions? Limited food?

One gunshot attracts more zombies you'll need to dispatch with more gunshots. It's never ending. Shoot one, more come. Shoot a hundred, a thousand comes. You should get the idea. Shoot a hundred thousand, you don't have enough ammunition.

Survive a day; you're at 500, they're at 1000. Survive a week; you're at 499, they're at ten thousand. Survive a month; you're at 495, they're at a million. That's how you lose. Assuming you have enough food to feed everyone for a month.

Also, are you going to nuke a city? Who's going to make that decision? What about the humans that are there? Are you going to make that call?

And what makes you think nukes do anything? That's talked about in Day by Day Armageddon as well. I don't have the book with me so I can't quote. I remember something where you only kill the center of the mass, only after they gathered millions together with a sound beacon. And the bombs only killed several tens of thousands in each major city. Nothing to dent the billions of zombies that exist around the world. Finally, the radioactivity of the area actually slows zombie rotting, and might give them some supernatural powers, like running or increased brain activity.

It is entirely possible, and that's why the genre popped up.

Please read the books, or at least look at them before going on blindly that it couldn't happen. They show very plausible resolutions to what you're arguing.

On February 22 2012 14:31 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
5 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Apocalypse Could Actually Happen

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly)

There, now can we please skip the part where terrible nerds shit up this thread for ten pages?


Nope.

The only way a zombie outbreak could happen is if we didn't know what zombies are, and everyone who dies after a specific time reanimates unless their brain was dead. Any death without brain trauma means reanimation.

The shock of zombies basically slows politics down until the outbreak is too large to contain. Soldiers aren't going to fight zombies unless someone tells them to, and who knows how long that will take.

In this day and age, we are much too aware of what zombies are for people to not be able to deal with them immediately.

Also, there are too many different versions of zombies to talk about.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
February 22 2012 05:31 GMT
#2628
5 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Apocalypse Could Actually Happen

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly)

There, now can we please skip the part where terrible nerds shit up this thread for ten pages?
Hashbaz
Profile Joined July 2010
United States340 Posts
February 22 2012 05:51 GMT
#2629
Who cares if zombies really could destroy civilization. I just think slow zombies are scarier.
ESPORTS prevails
TRnoSki
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom51 Posts
February 22 2012 11:01 GMT
#2630
I am kinda enjoying how it has turned into a less 'smashing heads' zombie series and is more about survival, however, smashing heads is always fun.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling.
mahO
Profile Joined April 2011
France274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 11:13:42
February 22 2012 11:11 GMT
#2631
On February 22 2012 14:27 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 14:07 mahO wrote:
On February 22 2012 13:51 Blisse wrote:
On February 22 2012 12:51 mahO wrote:
On February 22 2012 12:35 RowdierBob wrote:
Call me a heretic, but I think running zombies are way cooler; they're so much scarier and more menacing.

If the world ever got zombiefied I could see humanity winning out against the slow, lurching type. But if running zombies ever rise up, we're all pretty screwed.


Thing is, you're kinda right, how the fuck did all the main communications got shut down in Walking Dead, doesnt make any sense, it could happen to one state maybe, but the whole world (since they're talking about France being touched too in season 1, it's obviously global, so it must have been some kind of bacteria, volatile, that would infect people all over the world, disappear, and just let us with zombies around everywhere). How the fuck can armies get screwed by zombies, you put mask on them, give them M16 with 5 clips, how the fuck could a squad, or even a fucking tank, get caught? It's a shame that they didnt elaborate more I think, the whole things seem "well end of the world, deal with it", I mean, even the movie The Road (holyfucking awesome movie by the way), they dont tell you ANYTHING, but it is still really easy to get the possibilities, and the fact that it all seems possible. Slow zombies cant bring the world down, but the earth could fuck up things on its own.
And zombies are fun, but why do people still think that it's a possibility? The only thing close to zombies would be a huge nuclear war, people starving / radiated that would kill eachother for food. And that wouldnt be so much fun I guess. But yeah, running zombies, I wouldnt even try I think ahah, but when you think of it, running zombies would be even more "fake", the fact that they can stand up and try to eat, mkay, but having good functional muscles and the ability to run mehh


Read World War Z for a possibility. Also read Day by Day Armageddon for another more personal account. It's basically ignorance and part politics getting in the way until it's too late.

Also, unlike in the show, your kill rate is not 100%, and definitely not 100% as a civilian, even if you are Rick or Shane or Andrea. You run out of bullets before you kill everything, or you kill everything and attract way more.

The basic premise of zombie movies is either, one infection that spreads. Or whenever you die, you reanimate.

Tanks run out of fuel and ammo, and the cannon is hugely useless for killing zombies. Also, if the commander decides to survey the area or use the mounted machine gun in the open, zombies might get in.

Also, how is a mask going to protect your neck, your legs, your arms from zombie bites?

Zombies aren't supposed to run or use tools. The show really messed up on those. The power of zombies is that they're undead. Never ending numbers, never ending patience, never ending thirst. If they kill you, you join them. The ultimate warrior.


Yeah sure, you're telling me that eventually, a group of 500 hundred soldiers (and thats little compared to the number who are trained and armed) will eventually get over run? Fuck no, they would nuke the center of the spread and anihilate the rest with ease, com'on... And one country might get over run, by bad organisation and contain of the spread, but the world? You're dreaming


You're assuming that the civilization knows what zombies are. Would you know 50 years ago that if a zombie came up to you, you would have to shoot it in the head to survive? And crippling it does nothing? I don't believe it.

You're assuming that zombies are located in one place. Imagine everywhere in the world at once.

You're underestimating numbers. What is the population of New York? Imagine half of that as zombies.

If you haven't noticed, armies are relocated around the world, not just in one area. You'll have some who stick together in the camp, and others who rush back to be with their families. If you stick in a camp, what happens if you're holed up? Do you just walk across the country, scrounging up food that other survivors probably stolen, to feed your group of 500 soldiers, with limited ammunitions? Limited food?

One gunshot attracts more zombies you'll need to dispatch with more gunshots. It's never ending. Shoot one, more come. Shoot a hundred, a thousand comes. You should get the idea. Shoot a hundred thousand, you don't have enough ammunition.

Survive a day; you're at 500, they're at 1000. Survive a week; you're at 499, they're at ten thousand. Survive a month; you're at 495, they're at a million. That's how you lose. Assuming you have enough food to feed everyone for a month.

Also, are you going to nuke a city? Who's going to make that decision? What about the humans that are there? Are you going to make that call?

And what makes you think nukes do anything? That's talked about in Day by Day Armageddon as well. I don't have the book with me so I can't quote. I remember something where you only kill the center of the mass, only after they gathered millions together with a sound beacon. And the bombs only killed several tens of thousands in each major city. Nothing to dent the billions of zombies that exist around the world. Finally, the radioactivity of the area actually slows zombie rotting, and might give them some supernatural powers, like running or increased brain activity.

It is entirely possible, and that's why the genre popped up.

Please read the books, or at least look at them before going on blindly that it couldn't happen. They show very plausible resolutions to what you're arguing.

Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 14:31 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
5 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Apocalypse Could Actually Happen

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly)

There, now can we please skip the part where terrible nerds shit up this thread for ten pages?


Nope.

The only way a zombie outbreak could happen is if we didn't know what zombies are, and everyone who dies after a specific time reanimates unless their brain was dead. Any death without brain trauma means reanimation.

The shock of zombies basically slows politics down until the outbreak is too large to contain. Soldiers aren't going to fight zombies unless someone tells them to, and who knows how long that will take.

In this day and age, we are much too aware of what zombies are for people to not be able to deal with them immediately.

Also, there are too many different versions of zombies to talk about.


It isnt but you seem determined to spend time denying it, frankly I'm not, see ya

P.S: and the fact that you studied zombies possibility so much, is kinda fucking creepy
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
February 22 2012 11:29 GMT
#2632
where can i watch the new episodes? I'm living overseas so I can't watch them on Hulu or some websites =(

tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
February 22 2012 12:05 GMT
#2633
On February 22 2012 13:51 Blisse wrote:
Read World War Z for a possibility.


I read WWZ and found it particularly unrealistic. Especially the part where the army fails, because it doesn't make any sense.
You're talking about tanks, don't forget that tanks (or even APCs and such) have machineguns operable from the inside. Don't forget the choppers that have machineguns everywhere. You're talking about how we're dependent on ammunition and fuel, yes we are, but I fail to see why it's a problem to secure sources for those.
Yeah, there might be millions of them. Even without thinking too much I can come up with several means of killing thousands of them in one blow. You say they're attracted by sound ? Great, put a sound system in the middle of nowhere playing some metal band, tune up the volume to the max, wait an hour, and throw a 500kg bomb on it. Or some napalm.
As the cracked article says, a zombie apocalypse would fail really quickly. There won't even be "millions" of zombies, which is their biggest strength as you said.
Let's keep it as a fantasy.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
February 22 2012 15:06 GMT
#2634
Can you guys please take the "Zombies: Possible?" argument to PMs? This thread is specifically about a fantasy TV show.
Turn off the radio
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 15:17:32
February 22 2012 15:17 GMT
#2635
On February 22 2012 20:29 GhostOwl wrote:
where can i watch the new episodes? I'm living overseas so I can't watch them on Hulu or some websites =(


oops, was meant for pm
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19205 Posts
February 22 2012 15:21 GMT
#2636
On February 22 2012 12:39 Xapti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 12:35 RowdierBob wrote:
Call me a heretic, but I think running zombies are way cooler; they're so much scarier and more menacing.

If the world ever got zombiefied I could see humanity winning out against the slow, lurching type. But if running zombies ever rise up, we're all pretty screwed.

I don't really care which exist, it's more about all sorts of other factors that make the movie/TV-series good; but Running zombies are obviously scarier. 28 Days later and 28 Weeks later (or even I am legend) were pretty good, and the fact that the zombies ran obviously made it much more scary (and both more and less realistic too; more in that it makes more sense for the infestation/epidemic to occur, less in that zombies couldn't run due to lack of metabolism)
I Am Legend was about vampires, not zombies.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
February 22 2012 16:09 GMT
#2637
So i watched both seasons within 2 days ^^. Gotta say though it got really boring in season 2 and i just thought all the time. GOD DAMNED FUCKING STUPID GIRL RUNNING AWAY. FUCK THAT BITCH LET HER DIE LET HER FUCKING DIE.
to be honest i wanted every character to die except the asian and the black guy. I also will enever get why people wont call zombies zombies. As if zombie movies dont exist in zombie movies..
Oh well all in all pretty entertaining. Its a soap opera with zombies.
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
February 22 2012 16:13 GMT
#2638
So, like I said. New (guess not so much now) to the show. On episode 2 of season 2. Anyone else notice the AMC throwback to breaking bad? When Darryl pulls the drugs from his brothers bike there is a ton of blue meth =P
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
February 22 2012 17:30 GMT
#2639
Yes it was mentioned in here.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 22 2012 17:35 GMT
#2640
On February 22 2012 13:49 Areon wrote:
Is every attractive female in American TV made out to be a slut? Because that's one of my only qualms with this awesome show, and TV in general. Otherwise this is probably one of the best thriller series ever made.


Who are you talking about?
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