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rei
United States3594 Posts
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
I wanted to ask a question though. They've been at the farm for what, 5 episodes now? 6? I want to honestly ask you guys, at the start of the episode where everyone is standing around in shock, how many of the people that originally lived on the farm did you know anything about? Herschel? Sure, there's some character development there. Maggy? Kind of.. How about those four others? I sure as hell didn't know a thing about them. They might as well have been random faces in a crowd. So you mean to tell me that for however many episodes, you haven't even given ANY character development to those characters? Because of this, when that girl collapsed from shock after seeing her mother killed in front of her, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT. WHO IS SHE!? I mean seriously. Aside from that, this past episode was at least entertaining. It also brought up an interesting predicament when the two strangers were requesting to stay at the farm, much like Rick was doing to Herschel not weeks earlier, and Rick was the first one to say no, the farm is full. Extremely hypocritical. It's not like Herschel knew anything about Rick when he allowed them to stay on his farm, and yet Rick's primary argument was that the farm was too full, and that they didn't know anything about the strangers. Most likely this isn't any insight in to Rick's character changing, but just an interesting situation that the writers brought up. | ||
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AllHailTheDead
United States418 Posts
and does anyone else find it weird that Rick is heartless to these guys when he was seeming so entitled to stay on Herschel's farm and basically forced himself on it and wouldn't leave no matter how many times he said he wanted them off his land? | ||
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Kinuzki
Finland16 Posts
Only problem for me is that I started watching TWD because it was a zombie tv series. So, where are the damn zombies?! I know they're building up the tension and telling a story but they're kinda dragging it at this point. Many scenes were pointless and the writing is slipping quite badly. I hope it gets better.. | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:56 AllHailTheDead wrote: In the bar scene the two guys DO NOT know Herschel or Rick. At the beginning of the scene they all introduce themselves hence the guy knowing his name and when Herschel is offered a drink, he refuses it stating that he quit. Sooo when the two guys are poking around asking where they're staying and Rick (very poorly) tries to shrug it off they know something is up and Rick and Herschel are trying to keep the farm a secret, the two start asking more questions and are continually finding holes in their story ( empty cars) and then Herschel says they're just stopping in for a drink which leads to ... Dun da da da! The traveler saying " I thought you quit drinking Herschel?" and does anyone else find it weird that Rick is heartless to these guys when he was seeming so entitled to stay on Herschel's farm and basically forced himself on it and wouldn't leave no matter how many times he said he wanted them off his land? I'm pretty sure Rick knew that Herschel didn't want him staying any longer and was empathising with Herschel's point of view, essentially protecting him. Rick doesn't want to step on his toes and wants to do right by him, so standing up to these guys is an attempt to show Herschel that he shouldn't resent Rick | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:07 Kinuzki wrote: I don't think Rick was being that hypocritical but rather doing a favour to Herschel. After all Herschie wants them off their land and after realizing the trouble Rick's party has caused he tries to even things up a bit. Only problem for me is that I started watching TWD because it was a zombie tv series. So, where are the damn zombies?! I know they're building up the tension and telling a story but they're kinda dragging it at this point. Many scenes were pointless and the writing is slipping quite badly. I hope it gets better.. I had to make this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vpvXK.jpg) | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:56 AllHailTheDead wrote: and does anyone else find it weird that Rick is heartless to these guys when he was seeming so entitled to stay on Herschel's farm and basically forced himself on it and wouldn't leave no matter how many times he said he wanted them off his land? Heartless how? He only shot the two when the one guy went for his gun. He waited until the very last possible moment to actually kill them, in the hopes he wouldn't have to. If you mean in terms of telling them about the farm and allowing them to stay, it's pretty different. For starters Rick knows himself, and he knows he has no intention of say, killing Herschel and taking the farm for himself. He has no idea what these to guys are capable of, and by the way they're acting (showing very little respect, not really caring about having to do terrible things to get to this point) it doesn't seem like they're all too trustworthy. Rick never straight up said no to Hershel when he was told to leave. He begged and pleaded and did everything he could to peacefully coexist on the farm. It's not as though he bullied Hershel into letting him stay there. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 15 2012 05:03 p4NDemik wrote: I'm not saying I'm Southern, and that's pretty much my point. Rick is hardly Southern either as you put it. He is from Cynthiana, just under 60 miles from where I live. If I'm not "Southern" in your mind he shouldn't really be either. I continue to agree with you though, his accent is well done. @Subversive - you are aware that Darabont was still the showrunner for filming of the first like 6 or 7 episodes of shooting? And that AMC fired him after he came back with a version of the first episode that AMC considered unusable? I'm sure the budget cuts hamstrung him in what he thought he could achieve but the first half of the season that was still pretty much underwhelming? That was all Darabont. Well maybe not all him but he was still very much involved with those episodes. From the interviews I read they didn't say an exact number of episodes that had been finished by him, only that he had worked on the first few. If you have a source I perhaps missed (entirely possibly) I'm happy to stand corrected. And yeah, they were terrible (comparatively) and Darabout has to bear some responsibility I agree with you. But where we perhaps disagree is that I really enjoyed all 6 episodes of the first season. I guess one factor that is probably very relevant but also hard to gauge is that the writers totally changed (I seem to remember that they went from regular writers to freelance/individuals or something of that nature?) Also, though, the huge budget cuts is completely AMC's fault. All I know is that s1 had Darabout and a big budget which I liked, and s2 has slashed budget and Darabout forced out with a hard line to be drawn about his involvement, which I haven't enjoyed as much. On February 15 2012 10:25 legendre20 wrote: Aside from that, this past episode was at least entertaining. It also brought up an interesting predicament when the two strangers were requesting to stay at the farm, much like Rick was doing to Herschel not weeks earlier, and Rick was the first one to say no, the farm is full. Extremely hypocritical. It's not like Herschel knew anything about Rick when he allowed them to stay on his farm, and yet Rick's primary argument was that the farm was too full, and that they didn't know anything about the strangers. Most likely this isn't any insight in to Rick's character changing, but just an interesting situation that the writers brought up. On February 15 2012 10:56 AllHailTheDead wrote: and does anyone else find it weird that Rick is heartless to these guys when he was seeming so entitled to stay on Herschel's farm and basically forced himself on it and wouldn't leave no matter how many times he said he wanted them off his land? There was no hypocrisy, Rick only went to the farm after his son was shot. And as for not extending a welcoming hand to these other two, aside from it not being his farm, those two guys had dodgy written all over them and Rick was sensing that from the get go. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:42 Subversive wrote: From the interviews I read they didn't say an exact number of episodes that had been finished by him, only that he had worked on the first few. If you have a source I perhaps missed (entirely possibly) I'm happy to stand corrected. And yeah, they were terrible (comparatively) and Darabout has to bear some responsibility I agree with you. But where we perhaps disagree is that I really enjoyed all 6 episodes of the first season. I guess one factor that is probably very relevant but also hard to gauge is that the writers totally changed (I seem to remember that they went from regular writers to freelance/individuals or something of that nature?) Also, though, the huge budget cuts is completely AMC's fault. All I know is that s1 had Darabout and a big budget which I liked, and s2 has slashed budget and Darabout forced out with a hard line to be drawn about his involvement, which I haven't enjoyed as much. This is from Alan Sepinwall's review of the 6th episode of the season, "Secrets." We're almost done with the first half of the season, then we get a break until February. We're also fairly close, I think, to the point where Frank Darabont left, for reasons unknown. He helped break the entire season's arc with Glen Mazzara and the rest of the writers who stuck around, so I don't imagine we're going to see a radical shift in the back half of the season. But as we get ready to say goodbye to the show for a couple of months, I'm beginning to wonder if Darabont's exit might not turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Darabont's a terrific writer and director. You can look at his movies, or even this show's pilot, to see that. But the storytelling was uneven for the rest of the first season, and something's definitely been lacking in these early season 2 episodes. Mazzara's not going to re-invent the show from scratch, at least not this year (his imprint will probably be more keenly felt in season 3), but maybe a different voice from the head man add a little juice to the back half of the season. iirc I read it a couple of other places as well but Sepinwall has had multiple interviews with the other (remaining) minds behind TWD to know this information. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Monox1de
United States101 Posts
Been listening to this on repeat while i ladder. Song that was playing after rick quick draws on them Philadelphia dicks. One of the comments on this video says "this had like 42k views last week, now its 773k, holy shit walking dead." Why can't all TV be this fucking awesome. | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
fucking looooool thats brilliant! | ||
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Rooster93
79 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:19 Nothingtosay wrote: I don't think that the arm falling off the truck was a waste of time at all. The casual nature with which Andrea just picked it up, threw back in, and sat down next to a pile corpses says A LOT. Like yeah can you imagine how T-Dog feels cuz Andrea prefers to sit with the zombie corpses instead to him. =( | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
also the fact that herschel now understands if he didn't have rick's group, and those bar guys met them at his farm? he'd be dead and that fat dude would be fucking his daughters just like he intended. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
I just got done rewatching the latest episode for the 4th time. Lori is retarded. That is all. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:35 p4NDemik wrote: This is from Alan Sepinwall's review of the 6th episode of the season, "Secrets." iirc I read it a couple of other places as well but Sepinwall has had multiple interviews with the other (remaining) minds behind TWD to know this information. Interesting, thanks for the source. I don't agree with his take that the rest of season one was uneven or had something lacking that the pilot didn't though. | ||
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Tristanity
Malaysia45 Posts
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
Kind of disappointing, but it is what it is. | ||
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Lannix
United States87 Posts
On February 15 2012 21:58 jeremycafe wrote: I am tired of the farm as well. But get used to it folks. They won't be changing scenery as often anymore as the producers were tasked with cutting the budget down. Less zombies, more drama, less sets. Kind of disappointing, but it is what it is. See, as a fan of both the graphic novels and the TV series I find the lack of zombies in the TV series kind of saddening, seeing as the graphic novel is obviously not affected by budget cuts, we get a lot more zombies. I still enjoy the TV series very much and actually quite liked the last episode. Spoiler Warning Below: I actually have a theory based on the graphic novels on what I think might happen in the coming episodes. + Show Spoiler + I think that Hershel's daughter Beth might actually die and become a zombie, thus the TV viewers finding out that people can turn without being bitten. I concluded this obviously because the TV show lacks Chris and Julie and I'm not 100% certain if the TV series will move to the Prison arc where this is originally found. | ||
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Flik
Canada256 Posts
 . I was pretty choked. Whatever though.This last episode was really amazing though. That bar scene was definitely the best scene of the whole 2nd season. Was amazingly well done. Poor drunk Hershel, would hate to be drunk for the first time in 20 years and have that shit go down. My only beef is the amount of wild injuries that are happening to the team within a few weeks. Sure I understand we're in a zombie apocalypse but a lot of these aren't even zombie related. Black dude almost bleeds to death, Carl gets shot, Darryl gets shot then Lorie gets in a car crash. Like how often does that shit happen in real life? All that shit happened within like a couple weeks. The Lorie car crash was the worst though, wtf was she doing going after Rick? That part just seemed out in the deep end, she wouldn't go chasing after people in a zombie apocalypse by herself. | ||
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