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On February 16 2012 02:52 Flik wrote:Well I was in the book store the other day and seen the Walking Dead comic. Picked up the first volume. I kinda thought the show was past the first volume haha. I didn't really look at it just kinda flipped through but then when I got to the end the last page... just kinda stared at me for a second  . I was pretty choked. Whatever though. This last episode was really amazing though. That bar scene was definitely the best scene of the whole 2nd season. Was amazingly well done. Poor drunk Hershel, would hate to be drunk for the first time in 20 years and have that shit go down. My only beef is the amount of wild injuries that are happening to the team within a few weeks. Sure I understand we're in a zombie apocalypse but a lot of these aren't even zombie related. Black dude almost bleeds to death, Carl gets shot, Darryl gets shot then Lorie gets in a car crash. Like how often does that shit happen in real life? All that shit happened within like a couple weeks. The Lorie car crash was the worst though, wtf was she doing going after Rick? That part just seemed out in the deep end, she wouldn't go chasing after people in a zombie apocalypse by herself.
Since I don't want to spoil anyone once again, this spoiler pertains particularly to what you had said.
+ Show Spoiler +Don't worry about what you saw in the first volume, in terms of what's happening in the graphic novels, the TV series is actually about 75% through volume 2 and starting to combine some elements of volume 3 as well (or so I think they are). The TV series has taken a completely different direction from the comics while still trying to combine elements from the comics. For example, as you may have seen, Shane is still alive in the TV series and that was actually a decision made by Robert Kirkman to keep him around as kind of a do-over to what he originally did in the comics as it lets the viewers see how Shane progressively changes and opens the plot up for some more interesting stories, such as Shane killing Otis, which actually never happened in the comics. I actually like the decision to keep Shane around in the TV series, as I've grown to actually like his character.
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Lurking this site for so long I can't even remember, and out of all things, this is what makes me officially sign up.
Also, I apologize if this has been already brought up, as I'm sure it has.
Anyway, I don't really want to go ruin this for myself and look it up online or anything, but this has been bothering me ever since the end of season 1. Without completely ruining it, can anyone that has read the graphic novel let me know if: 1) Is whatever the doctor at the end of season 1 says to Rick actually important? 2) Will it come up soon (in relation to the timeframe of them being on the farm)?
You have to figure it's important as otherwise the scene itself would serve absolutely no purpose, especially after almost broadcasting it on his radio to build suspense around the piece of information.
As far as the first episode of 2.5, I thought it was great, especially after watching the previews to the second episode. Obviously, the Lori part was absolutely ridiculous. First, hey, Daryl, go look for my husband who's been gone for what appears to be an hour or so. That scene pissed me off more than her rationale for leaving to go find him on her own. Absolutely uncomfortable with the level of entitlement in that scene, for what seems to be no logically explainable reason other than he left the premises, which he and everyone else, have done and been doing for the past 7 episodes (or 6, don't remember). Second, I'm going on my own, without telling anyone, for no apparent purpose, and with the smallest gun possible, to go look for and save Rick and Glen. Yeah, that seems completely reasonable and responsible when the entire show she has been the ultimate protector of her son, and all of a sudden decides it would be a superb idea to leave him when Rick is already gone.
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On February 16 2012 03:46 regenmaxim wrote:
Lurking this site for so long I can't even remember, and out of all things, this is what makes me officially sign up.
Also, I apologize if this has been already brought up, as I'm sure it has.
Anyway, I don't really want to go ruin this for myself and look it up online or anything, but this has been bothering me ever since the end of season 1. Without completely ruining it, can anyone that has read the graphic novel let me know if: 1) Is whatever the doctor at the end of season 1 says to Rick actually important? 2) Will it come up soon (in relation to the timeframe of them being on the farm)?
+ Show Spoiler +Not really a spoiler, but the entire CDC part didn't exist in the comic, so I have no idea what the doctor said.
Also not a spoiler, but the CDC was stupid and added nothing to the show, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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Sunday's episode:
+ Show Spoiler +I can't be the only one that really hopes that Laurie died in the car crash. Seriously, she's the stupidest person on the show and only seems to be there to fuck everything up every other episode.
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On February 16 2012 04:30 Requizen wrote:Sunday's episode: + Show Spoiler +I can't be the only one that really hopes that Laurie died in the car crash. Seriously, she's the stupidest person on the show and only seems to be there to fuck everything up every other episode.
If you read a few posts then you'd quickly realise that no, you're not the only one that thinks that way. I doubt she would though seeing as she's one of the "main characters", although I'd love it if the writers actually had the balls to make it happen.
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On February 16 2012 04:37 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 04:30 Requizen wrote:Sunday's episode: + Show Spoiler +I can't be the only one that really hopes that Laurie died in the car crash. Seriously, she's the stupidest person on the show and only seems to be there to fuck everything up every other episode. If you read a few posts then you'd quickly realise that no, you're not the only one that thinks that way. I doubt she would though seeing as she's one of the "main characters", although I'd love it if the writers actually had the balls to make it happen.
The writers of the show said that nobody is safe so it is entirely possible.
That being said this current episode was so amazing, I mean I was disappointed they are still on the farm and the lack of zombies. I was really happy at the beginning of the episode when the girl runs up to her dead mom and is sitting there crying than the walker pops up and starts trying to eat her, that made the entire episode great for me.
Also when rick gunned down those 2 douche bags in the bar, I thought it was amazing. This is probably my favorite TV series on TV right now.
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i don't know whats going on. What I do know is that Dale does nothing other than piss shane off. I mean how come Lori didn't ask him..she asks the redneck whose a badass then says fuck it ill do it myself. She didn't ask shane she didn't ask t-dog or w/e T-dog doesn't do shit either. I think dale or t-dog will be the first in the core group to go down for men. otherwise it will be sophia's mother.
Nobody is safe is just crap. yes at some point someone will get axed, but you dont' piss off the ratings machine that you've built...so you gotta be solid with how you plot it out.
The only other show that was as successfult that offed people right and left was 24.
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On February 16 2012 04:59 purecarnagge wrote:
i don't know whats going on. What I do know is that Dale does nothing other than piss shane off. I mean how come Lori didn't ask him..she asks the redneck whose a badass then says fuck it ill do it myself. She didn't ask shane she didn't ask t-dog or w/e T-dog doesn't do shit either. I think dale or t-dog will be the first in the core group to go down for men. otherwise it will be sophia's mother.
Nobody is safe is just crap. yes at some point someone will get axed, but you dont' piss off the ratings machine that you've built...so you gotta be solid with how you plot it out.
The only other show that was as successfult that offed people right and left was 24.
Comic spoilers:
+ Show Spoiler +I really hope Carl will kill Shane.
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On February 16 2012 05:53 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 04:59 purecarnagge wrote:
i don't know whats going on. What I do know is that Dale does nothing other than piss shane off. I mean how come Lori didn't ask him..she asks the redneck whose a badass then says fuck it ill do it myself. She didn't ask shane she didn't ask t-dog or w/e T-dog doesn't do shit either. I think dale or t-dog will be the first in the core group to go down for men. otherwise it will be sophia's mother.
Nobody is safe is just crap. yes at some point someone will get axed, but you dont' piss off the ratings machine that you've built...so you gotta be solid with how you plot it out.
The only other show that was as successfult that offed people right and left was 24. Comic spoilers: + Show Spoiler +I really hope Carl will kill Shane.
+ Show Spoiler +He already seems to be on that road, with Shane acting more like comic Shane and Carl getting the gun and hat.
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On February 16 2012 05:57 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 05:53 Doctorbeat wrote:On February 16 2012 04:59 purecarnagge wrote:
i don't know whats going on. What I do know is that Dale does nothing other than piss shane off. I mean how come Lori didn't ask him..she asks the redneck whose a badass then says fuck it ill do it myself. She didn't ask shane she didn't ask t-dog or w/e T-dog doesn't do shit either. I think dale or t-dog will be the first in the core group to go down for men. otherwise it will be sophia's mother.
Nobody is safe is just crap. yes at some point someone will get axed, but you dont' piss off the ratings machine that you've built...so you gotta be solid with how you plot it out.
The only other show that was as successfult that offed people right and left was 24. Comic spoilers: + Show Spoiler +I really hope Carl will kill Shane. + Show Spoiler +He already seems to be on that road, with Shane acting more like comic Shane and Carl getting the gun and hat.
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+ Show Spoiler +I honestly don't think they plan on killing off Shane any time soon on the TV Show. I for one think that he adds more to the show and I like that. I also don't think anyone on the current cast could even replace Shane with the "Tyreese" character as Rick's friend (who appeared shortly after the killing off of Shane).. certainly not T-Dog (I'm sorry but this character has just seemed like filler and nothing of value right now). I also assume it would be in the immediate cast because of budget cuts. It's going to be hard to get any new people to be cast as a regular without a hit on the amount of zombies (even less than there already are, that's scary). The only one on the TV series who I've seen even come close to resembling that character is Daryl (and that's in the ever so slightest comparison), and that's only because the relationship that seems to be developing between him and Carol on the show, that and the fact that he's a badass.
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I've seen all the episodes of TWD, I've watched s2 e8, "Nebraska", twice now, and I've also watched some behind the scenes stuff on the episode at AMCTV.com. I have not read the comic books series what-so-ever.
I enjoy how the show is choosing to focus on the development and interactions of its characters, rather than just degenerating into a 'Resident Evil' style, action-packed zombie apocalypse type scenario, regardless of whether this lack of action is due to budget cuts, or new writers.
I also feel that viewers would get just as bored only seeing zombies massacres every episode, as they would only seeing long, drawn out dialogue. There's a fine balance AMC has to keep in order to cater to the show's entire audience (18-49yo).
With that said, I liked episode 8, "Nebraska", for the most part.
It's clear that the 'brother' relationship between Rick and Shane is getting strained to a breaking point. Let's not forget that Rick knows that Lori and Shane got together, but Shane doesn't know that Rick knows. This illustrates how mature Rick's character is: not to just blindly confront Shane, possibly splitting the group even more, or worse, sending Shane off the deep end. I think a big confrontation between Rick and Shane is looming around the corner.
Lori is under some stress (to say the least). She is carrying what quite possibly is Shane's baby. She's caring for Carl (who's becoming a stronger, but more emotionless child). Rick and her relationship (which was already falling apart before the zombie virus struck) is at it's worst. She just found out from Dale that he thinks Shane (someone she grew up with, trusted, and saved her and Carl's life) killed Otis for 'zombie bait'.
Maybe she is just the 'stupidest character' (as so many people on the forum suggest) for hoping in a car and driving off. But, I think under all the stress, she isn't thinking clearly. She may be trying to prove a point to HERSELF (and maybe Daryl for calling her 'Olive Oil') that she is an independent, strong, woman that can bring her husband back without any help.
Hershel has had some huge growth this episode. He now accepts the grim reality of this new world. A world without a cure. A world with no civilized society. A world without his wife, and with no future for his daughters. This leads him to a tough realization: that 'there is no hope'. But Rick reminds him, that even if you don't have any hope or drive to go on living, at least do it for your family, for the people that depend on you.
"The Bar Scene".
In this scene we're all reminded of how great a leader (and a badass) Rick really is. As Rick, Glen, and Hershel, are about to get up and leave the bar, these two strangers enter the bar, and say (in a somewhat cocky manner), "Well what do ya' know, they're alive." Obviously referring to the fact that they're not Walkers. But really, they both all ready knew they weren't Zombies. They knew this because of the cars that were outside, engines still hot.
I'll save my analysis of this scene, and further analysis of the other characters for another post.
I encourage criticism of this post and the show.
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One little thing that I really liked was Nebraska's line "Walkers? Is that what you call them?" It gave a real sense of how isolated the surviving human groups are. Nice touch.
I also loved this about World War Z, which had some great slang terms for zombies: ghouls, zeds, Gs, and my favorite, "Zack".
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On February 17 2012 07:56 Hashbaz wrote:
One little thing that I really liked was Nebraska's line "Walkers? Is that what you call them?" It gave a real sense of how isolated the surviving human groups are. Nice touch.
I also loved this about World War Z, which had some great slang terms for zombies: ghouls, zeds, Gs, and my favorite, "Zack".
interesting point, how come like noone ever calls them zombies? lol
in zombie movies/shows/video games, are we to assume that george romero or lucio fulci (or an alternative zombie pioneer) never existed in these fictional universes, therefore there is no zombie cult following or sub genre? :D
that premise is becoming more far-fetched than the zombies themselves...
ffs someone should say "omg george romero is a modern nostradamus!! quick destroy the braaaaain and don't get bitten!!!"
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Ima huge fan of the comic. s1 was just awful, I felt like watching a mexican telenovela, s2 was in that path but got some flavor in the last ep. I hope they get to meet the... strangers soon enough.
and yea, T-Dog is way too boring, I hope he gets ate by a zombie parrot or somethin, Ricks wife lines are as interesting as a bag of potatoes too, Dale's kinda boring too, in a creepy way.
if theres someone that didn't got to read the comic then I strongly recommend you to get your hands on its issues,, you can easily read em all (around 80 now) in a weekend, it's one of the easiest reads I've ever did, way too involving (believe me, you gonna count the days to get to read the monthly releases).
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It's bugging me that this is gettin more and more like a soap opera with a touch of zombies :/
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On February 17 2012 08:08 shizna wrote:
in zombie movies/shows/video games, are we to assume that george romero or lucio fulci (or an alternative zombie pioneer) never existed in these fictional universes, therefore there is no zombie cult following or sub genre?
Yes, because the alternative would be probably be a nerd-wank shitfest.
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See, as a fan of both the graphic novels and the TV series I find the lack of zombies in the TV series kind of saddening, seeing as the graphic novel is obviously not affected by budget cuts, we get a lot more zombies. I still enjoy the TV series very much and actually quite liked the last episode. Spoiler Warning Below: I actually have a theory based on the graphic novels on what I think might happen in the coming episodes. + Show Spoiler +I think that Hershel's daughter Beth might actually die and become a zombie, thus the TV viewers finding out that people can turn without being bitten. I concluded this obviously because the TV show lacks Chris and Julie and I'm not 100% certain if the TV series will move to the Prison arc where this is originally found.
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+ Show Spoiler +First thing I thought as soon as they showed her in the bed. They never developed her character, so it's not like they're gonna randomly start doing so on her deathbed. Perhaps it will be the impetus to leave the farm? They gotta get to the prison, they can only invent so many storylines before the narrative of the novel is just thrown out the window.
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+ Show Spoiler +Idk if this is a spoiler but shouldn't dale have had his leg eatin by now? Or is that later in the jail?
Also I really hate Rick's wife too I feel like in the comic she was more of a supporting character and shouldn't be involved as she is more like T dawg sept with more lines lol. And I hate how she just decides to go on her own to do the job Rick and Glenn went to do even though they already knew what was happening. Wtf was the point of that? Really?
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Now that I think about it, I believe the car crash is to get rid of Lori's baby. She'll miscarry or whatever as a result of her injuries, but we won't know until after 3 episodes of Rick worrying if she'll live or die blah blah. It's such a common motif among TV serials I'm kinda surprised no one posted here already about it, actually.
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On February 17 2012 11:14 CajunMan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Idk if this is a spoiler but shouldn't dale have had his leg eatin by now? Or is that later in the jail?
Also I really hate Rick's wife too I feel like in the comic she was more of a supporting character and shouldn't be involved as she is more like T dawg sept with more lines lol. And I hate how she just decides to go on her own to do the job Rick and Glenn went to do even though they already knew what was happening. Wtf was the point of that? Really?
+ Show Spoiler +That was in the prison. We've spent so much time on pointless crap that it feels like we should be farther than we are in the story, but we aren't
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