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On February 14 2012 03:29 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Wow, after wading through the mess of Season 2 to get two good scenes (Otis/Shane and the Barn scene), I almost couldn't even finish watching the first 10 minutes of 'Nebraska'. I have no intention of staring a flamefest or anything but I really need to get some of this off my chest because the show has become so frustrating despite me stupidly coming back to give it another chance.
- The actual dialogue between Maggie and Glen is so inane and stupid. Glen moved from being funny to just being an idiot.
- It appears to me that everyone basically changed their character to just accept Shane's psychotic moment in the previous episode.
- The only character who doubts Shane is magical Dale who never had any reason to call Shane out on anything except being a bit of a douche, but was able to all of a sudden know that Shane was a murderer in 'Pretty Much Already Dead' and now knows every exact detail of Otis' murder.
- Rick still the worst acted character on the show which is something, speaking slowly in a low growl...always.
- Lori crashes into a zombie and flips the car. Ok.
- Andrea throughout the entire season...her character just needs to die.
- The only interesting thing that happened was the bar scene which had to suffer through really worn out dialogue between Hershel and Rick.
Personally I think Rick is done quiet well, considering his natural accent and all. I can't do a southern accent very well and I'm American. Props to Lincoln, imo.
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I have to agree with all the budget cuts comments. That is most likely why the show has gone downhill. The first season I really liked but the second season has been let down after let down. I find myself fast forwarding through the crappy dialogue to try and find the few and far between action scenes. They really need to up the budget and get more Zombie action. I mean how many Zombies were in the last episode. I can only recall the one at the barn that they thought was dead. One zombie in a show that is about a zombie apocalypse. I like the show but I just really want more zombie action.
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As a fan of the comic, this show is losing me. Rapidly.
The plot in the comic advances so quickly, and the threat of zombies is always present. As soon as they think they're safe, BOOM zombies.
In the show, the farm somehow became a completely safe haven instead of a zombie time bomb, and the complete lack of threat from zombies is really ruining the show for me. It went from "zombie survival show with elements of drama" to "drama show with elements of zombies." The characters are there to kill or be killed by zombies, any drama or character development that can lead to pathos when they get om-nom-nomed is a bonus, it should not be the entire focus of the show.
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I really want andrea to die. She is just bad.
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On February 14 2012 06:03 rhmiller907 wrote:
I have to agree with all the budget cuts comments. That is most likely why the show has gone downhill. The first season I really liked but the second season has been let down after let down. I find myself fast forwarding through the crappy dialogue to try and find the few and far between action scenes. They really need to up the budget and get more Zombie action. I mean how many Zombies were in the last episode. I can only recall the one at the barn that they thought was dead. One zombie in a show that is about a zombie apocalypse. I like the show but I just really want more zombie action.
Once again, this is something that occurred in the source material as well. There were numerous issues with little to no zombies in them.
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United States13896 Posts
On February 14 2012 05:10 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:29 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Wow, after wading through the mess of Season 2 to get two good scenes (Otis/Shane and the Barn scene), I almost couldn't even finish watching the first 10 minutes of 'Nebraska'. I have no intention of staring a flamefest or anything but I really need to get some of this off my chest because the show has become so frustrating despite me stupidly coming back to give it another chance.
- The actual dialogue between Maggie and Glen is so inane and stupid. Glen moved from being funny to just being an idiot.
- It appears to me that everyone basically changed their character to just accept Shane's psychotic moment in the previous episode.
- The only character who doubts Shane is magical Dale who never had any reason to call Shane out on anything except being a bit of a douche, but was able to all of a sudden know that Shane was a murderer in 'Pretty Much Already Dead' and now knows every exact detail of Otis' murder.
- Rick still the worst acted character on the show which is something, speaking slowly in a low growl...always.
- Lori crashes into a zombie and flips the car. Ok.
- Andrea throughout the entire season...her character just needs to die.
- The only interesting thing that happened was the bar scene which had to suffer through really worn out dialogue between Hershel and Rick. Personally I think Rick is done quiet well, considering his natural accent and all. I can't do a southern accent very well and I'm American. Props to Lincoln, imo.
I think he does a good job (at least he is one of the better actors in the series) but for accuracy's sake his accent is not what I would consider "southern."
edit: eh, whatever I'm nitpicky. "Southern" is painting accents with an incredibly large brush. People from Kentucky speak veeeeeeery differently from most other places that are considered part of the "South" imo.
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Not sure what type of southern accent he has because, as mentioned, there isn't just one "accent of the south", but his accent definitely sounds southern.
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On February 14 2012 08:24 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 06:03 rhmiller907 wrote:
I have to agree with all the budget cuts comments. That is most likely why the show has gone downhill. The first season I really liked but the second season has been let down after let down. I find myself fast forwarding through the crappy dialogue to try and find the few and far between action scenes. They really need to up the budget and get more Zombie action. I mean how many Zombies were in the last episode. I can only recall the one at the barn that they thought was dead. One zombie in a show that is about a zombie apocalypse. I like the show but I just really want more zombie action. Once again, this is something that occurred in the source material as well. There were numerous issues with little to no zombies in them.
This is true, but there was always the threat of zombies. In the TV show, I feel like most of them aren't even that worried about zombies at this point. Hell, they've been on the farm for ages, in the comic it was a brief stay at best. But again, everything went faster in the comic, because nowhere was safe and they had to keep moving to not get devoured.
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...so how long will it take them to find Lori? sigh
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On February 14 2012 15:01 jtbem wrote:
...so how long will it take them to find Lori? sigh
I'm hoping that after the Sophie dissapointment, they'll realize that it's a waste of time and move on. Next episode SHE finds THEM. As a ZOMBIE. So then <LITTLEKID> shoots his mother in the face, doing the 'right thing' as he said in the previous episode. It all wraps back together, you see. We get rid of Lori quickly and efficiently (seroiusly, was what she did out of character at all? Was there ever any doubt she was mentally challenged?), we have a nice drama moment when a kid has to kill his mother, and the show can finally get to being pretty cool again.
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The show is cool.. I'm still watching it but it feels like..
The writers are doing just enough so that I don't stop watching but not enough so that I LOVE watching it..
A couple of slip ups and I might just ditch the show all together.
I mean.. if I have the ability to stop watching Emmy winning shows like 30 Rock, Modern Family, Mad Men and Breaking Bad then I'll have no problem forgetting about Walking Dead.
If I could say one thing to the writers, it's for them to stop doing the bare minimum because eventually, that's just not gonna cut it for me any more.
(What I mean by bare minimum is like..)
- 40 seconds worth of zombie scenes in a 40 minute show.
- Slow dialogue that builds up to something 5 episodes later
- Travelling.. so much travelling.. walking from one end of the farm to the other.
- Scenes like one character chilling by a tree .. looking at his hands for 2 minutes.. then hearing something in the woods.. and looking for another minute.. then finally he finds out that it's just another member of the group.. and they slowly dialogue about what just happened for another 5 minutes..
Like I know we talked about how the show isn't about Bam Boom, running and gunning zombies and there's a lot of human agony and challenges.. a lot of what ifs and how the human condition works in this type of environment..
But I'm slowly losing the urgency.. the fear of the dangers that zombies impose.
The show is shifting from a TV series about people trying to survive a zombie apocalypse to a stage production written by Samuel Beckett.
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I'm not sure why but the second season is so slow, I mean the first season was really action packed. From what I've read there have been some budget cuts, which really sucks and could be messing up the whole show. I'm going to continue on watching it just because I do enjoy the show, but it just isn't what it was in season one.
I have a feeling that Shane is going to mess up a lot of stuff like killing Dale or something else like that, which is going to really suck for me since I like Dale's character.
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A couple things I liked about this episode.
1) The way Andrea was so casual about picking up the zombie arm, as some people already mentioned.
2)The bar scene, obviously
But I have a few questions/comments:
1) Did that guy who came into the bar say "Herschel, I though you gave up drinking?" and doesn't that imply a familiarity? And when Herschel says "I quit": at the beginning of the scene, is this because he is backing out of some plot or similar scheming that he had with these guys? It's a pretty big coincidence that they showed up, so if the new guys did know Herschel I think its pretty safe to say it was some sort of set up or ambush.
2) And while the car crash was pretty forced, it does bring up an interesting new angle. Rick just got done asking himself "what was I doing risking people's lives looking for Sophia, it was foolish etc..." and it'll bring up an interesting moral/ethical dynamic if he now has to apply that lesson in a more personal way.
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I don't understand what is going on. Everyone believes Shane did the right thing and that there was nothing wrong, Dale knows everything, they just shot two survivors because they wanted to live without the fear of getting eaten, and Lori just flipped a car? One scene that particularly annoyed me was the scene with Andrea on the back of the truck and goes back to pick up the zombie arm that got ripped off. What was the reason for that scene that wasted so much time? There were other worthless scenes too.
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On February 14 2012 15:49 peekn wrote:
I'm not sure why but the second season is so slow, I mean the first season was really action packed. From what I've read there have been some budget cuts, which really sucks and could be messing up the whole show. I'm going to continue on watching it just because I do enjoy the show, but it just isn't what it was in season one.
I have a feeling that Shane is going to mess up a lot of stuff like killing Dale or something else like that, which is going to really suck for me since I like Dale's character.
Agreed it's going pretty slow atm and I would like it to pick up but I'm pretty happy with the show and I look forward to it every times it's new.
Also agree with Dale, by far my favorite character. Just seems to logical, makes decisions like I feel I would make them.
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On February 14 2012 15:56 VediVeci wrote:
A couple things I liked about this episode.
1) The way Andrea was so casual about picking up the zombie arm, as some people already mentioned.
2)The bar scene, obviously
But I have a few questions/comments:
1) Did that guy who came into the bar say "Herschel, I though you gave up drinking?" and doesn't that imply a familiarity? And when Herschel says "I quit": at the beginning of the scene, is this because he is backing out of some plot or similar scheming that he had with these guys? It's a pretty big coincidence that they showed up, so if the new guys did know Herschel I think its pretty safe to say it was some sort of set up or ambush.
2) And while the car crash was pretty forced, it does bring up an interesting new angle. Rick just got done asking himself "what was I doing risking people's lives looking for Sophia, it was foolish etc..." and it'll bring up an interesting moral/ethical dynamic if he now has to apply that lesson in a more personal way.
Ripped arm scene is way to finalize the transition of Andrea's character from one that is weak and helpless to a Shane-esque woman
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On February 14 2012 15:58 EienShinwa wrote:
I don't understand what is going on. Everyone believes Shane did the right thing and that there was nothing wrong, Dale knows everything, they just shot two survivors because they wanted to live without the fear of getting eaten, and Lori just flipped a car? One scene that particularly annoyed me was the scene with Andrea on the back of the truck and goes back to pick up the zombie arm that got ripped off. What was the reason for that scene that wasted so much time? There were other worthless scenes too.
I thought that scene with Andrea was really powerful. You get to watch as she loses compassion/empathy for the dead, and its a pretty powerful message that shes becoming Shane. We saw this with Tdawg too in this episode, but the thing with Andrea was subtle-ish and well done.
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All of these plot devices they're putting in are starting to get annoying.
I don't care that Herschel once had a drinking problem. I don't care that Rick's son is starting to see the world for what it really is. I don't care that Sophia's mother is being a little brat. I don't care that Herschel's stepdaughter or whatever is in shock. I don't care about Dale/Shane tension. And you know what? I don't care that Lori sluttet herself into pregnancy. Yes, zombie shows and movies require plenty of disposable characters, but I don't see why they're spending so much time on all of these characters.
Also, every time an argument breaks out and we have the two sides + the breakup team, I just want to facepalm.
Also, why is it that everyone is able to draw such backless conclusions with almost no information (see: the two guys from Philly randomly figuring out the three were staying on a farm).
Also, why does something need to go wrong every 30 seconds, zombies involved or not?
Also, why is every single member of that group save for Shane, Rick, Dale, and T-Dawg so absolutely fucking stupid, yet they managed to survive the zombie apocalypse?
I could really go on about this show for hours on end. I don't mean to attack anyone's tastes on this matter so there's no need to feel offended if you disagree with me, but what the hell? I think even a huge fan of this show would agree that ever since the pilot episode the whole thing has just taken a nosedive.
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FAR OUT LORI. FAR OUT.
WHAT THE HECK.
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I'm really surprised so many people thought that arm thing was a chilling moment. Strike that not really surprised, I just ... I dk I'll just say again I thought it sucked and had no sense of impact.
To me it was a poignant moment that sort of summed up the failures of the show thus far. The producers want so hard to have these profound moments, that they are going to far out of their way to create them, and in the process they are losing sight of the one driving force that is necessary to make this show work. People continue to bring it up. There is no urgency. They don't have to portray the zombies as more than just dumb walking corpses and they don't have to make killing them look incredibly easy. They've failed over and over again to make you feel unsafe in this world. And when they get to those amazing "human drama" moments they aren't amazing because they are overdone.
People WILL remember that bar scene a year or more down the road because the danger was palpable. You could tell shit could go awry at any moment. People won't give that arm bs a second thought a little while down the road in the lifetime of the show. What is there to remember? Nothing.
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