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vommy
Germany532 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
The tension and subtleties in that bar scene is exactly what should have been in the rest of the series up to this point. Tons of themes, tension, character development, moral issues, etc all mixed into there. Loved it. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
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Ripps
Canada97 Posts
Also, if there were any lingering concerns about Rick not being "strong" enough or possessing the right "instincts" to protect the group... I think the final scene cleared that up. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On February 13 2012 16:00 Tachion wrote: I thought it was because of how the non-fat guy came on really strong about finding out where they lived. Shane kinda skimped around the question at first, and instead of letting it go he kept on persisting which drew more red flags. That's the way It came off to me anyway. Lol you mean Rick not Shane. If Shane was there he would have just killed the two strangers the moment they started asking about where they lived. Agree with the guy you quoted, I wish scenes like the bar scene were more common in the series. It's a great example of why we keep watching, it shows the potential this show has. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On February 13 2012 16:00 Tachion wrote: I thought it was because of how the non-fat guy came on really strong about finding out where they lived. Shane kinda skimped around the question at first, and instead of letting it go he kept on persisting which drew more red flags. That's the way It came off to me anyway. He did come on strong but that guy was obviously much better at keeping his motives secret than the fat guy. They made a point of showing how Rick was disgusted that the guy was relieving himself so close to him. You could tell he wasn't sure how to read "Nebraska guy" I guess we're calling him that. But you knew damn well what Rick thought of the fat guy. This is shown by him double tapping him to make sure he is dead. (then cut to the guy slumping over in his own piss - holy shit great image lol) The other guy was so great because the actor and director so brilliantly captured this manipulative, conniving character. He comes in and sits instead of standing and talking to Rick at face-to-face level. He makes himself subservient from the get go and tries his hardest to play the victim help us type of role but just the fact that he is sitting in that pose makes him seem so sinister. Once his act is called and he doesn't get the desired results he changes his game then goes to the bar, with all the great stuff that came along with that. Those 30 seconds in that youtube video with him at the bar and Rick interacting with him goes so far beyond just the words they say. Man I feel like I could write a dissertation or something on that scene. Even if there are a lot of objectionable things that have wasted screen time to get to this point, I'm glad I made it this far because: that scene is what makes the comic so great. That scene isn't even in the comic, but those kind of interactions are the life blood of the comic and it was a breath of fresh air to see them hit their mark for the first time in two seasons really. The pilot has the initial drama of being introduced to this alien zombie apocalyse world but critics haven't been drooling all over this show because until now, it hasn't found that tension. Hopefully the showrunners realized how fucking incredible that scene are and they are going to learn from that and get to doing scenes like this regularly, once an episode. You deliver one scene that is this powerful once for every hour of screen time then you are going to win awards. I am 125% ok if the other 40 minutes aren't the most riveting piece of storytelling as long as it is a means to an end - the end being a great scene like this (this is why the Lori thing is so enfuriating because IT SERVES NO PURPOSE IN THIS EPISODE NONE AT ALL - FUCK LORI). Alright I've said my piece. Nebraska. Probably one of the better episodes this show has had in its short lifespan, and it has everything to do with that scene. edit: That scene felt like Inglorious Basterds when they were in the bar playing cards with the gun under the table. I won't say one is better than the other but both have my heart pounding like crazy just waiting for the tension to break and for bodies to fall. Fucking incredible. ok done now I swear. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
Sometimes I really hate the way TV writers portray women as these "helpless broads" who act so irrationally. TWD does it more than most shows, and it makes it very difficult to like any of the female characters. | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
Amy picking up the arm was to show how de-sensitized they're becoming; especially with how casual/proud she looked with the pile of corpses in the truck after just whitnessing Sophia zombie. Much of the other dialogue in this episode was to show there's a divide happening within the group; some people being Team Shane, the others Team Rick. I think the girl who collapsed got infected from her zombie mother getting too close. inb4 she turns into a zombie. The entire bar scene was fucking awesome and it's moments like that is why I watch the show. I'm personally quite comfortable with the pacing of the show. I don't feel it's slow at all given the context; this show is about the day-to-day experiences of survivors in a post-zombie apocalypse world. You can't have intense, riveting scenes constantly happening, especially considering only one or two days passes with each episode. There's going to be uneventful days; there's going to be small talk and casual banter. A show like Breaking Bad constantly has action and purpose because the show is paced way faster; many days can transpire in a single episode, sometimes even a week. Sometimes weeks of time have passed between just two episodes. | ||
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
On February 13 2012 18:44 Cel.erity wrote: Why did Lori leave to look for Rick?? I don't understand it at all. They've gone into that town countless times and made it back, and she was the one arguing about the family and how the children need their father etc., so obviously it makes sense to send both parents into a potential deathtrap instead of just one? Then of course she gets distracted and runs off the road, not even dramatic at all. Sometimes I really hate the way TV writers portray women as these "helpless broads" who act so irrationally. TWD does it more than most shows, and it makes it very difficult to like any of the female characters. Doesn't help that the actor playing Lori has the emotional register of a squished tomato. She has the same damn expression no matter what happens. Decent episode definitely, and the bar scene was quite good. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
It had no intrigue, very little tension, and felt too scripted. What's worse, is that was possibly the best part of the whole episode too, even though it was crap. Fighter wrote: if that was at all directed at me (probably not really since I never posted here before), I'll say that as far as I remember, I liked every single episode aside from this one very much. I don't remember clearly though, since I often watched a cluster of them at a time and get confused what's-when, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't much else I disliked.Man, some of you guys are exhausting. I swear half of you haven't enjoyed a single episode this entire season. | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
1. they've probably already had a run in with dangerous survivors... rick and glen for sure, probably hershal as well considering his stance on rick's group staying at the farm. in a chaotic apocalypse situation, thugs and criminals are probably the best survivors because they won't hesitate to kill other people and steal their stuff. damn right they would be suspicious. 2. the guys at the bar were all kinds of dodgy. if you didn't catch the signals then maybe you're autistic. 3. dude behind the bar drew his gun on rick, that's why rick shot him. i thought it was one of the best scenes in the entire show thus far... it keeps getting better. loving it. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On February 13 2012 18:44 Cel.erity wrote: Why did Lori leave to look for Rick?? I don't understand it at all. They've gone into that town countless times and made it back, and she was the one arguing about the family and how the children need their father etc., so obviously it makes sense to send both parents into a potential deathtrap instead of just one? Then of course she gets distracted and runs off the road, not even dramatic at all. Sometimes I really hate the way TV writers portray women as these "helpless broads" who act so irrationally. TWD does it more than most shows, and it makes it very difficult to like any of the female characters. women. if i had an answer to why women do non rational things and stop worrying for no god damn reason i would have fixed my headache about my mother, and grandmother at 87 years old. | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:53 killa_robot wrote: That car crash didn't even make sense. Lori is such a burden for the rest of the group. Daryl was uncharacteristically moody this episode as opposed to his usual badassery. I think it's worth noting that Hershel, despite still being pissed at Rick, quickly banded together with him when the other two men entered the bar. The whole "Us vs Them" thing has affected him, and he identifies with Rick to a certain extent. A bit disappointed in Glen in that scene though. He gave away information, couldn't read the mood, and didn't even attempt to help Rick when it became REALLY apparent bad things were about to happen. Also most of the emotions in the beginning felt really forced. I cringed when one of the daughters in the start ran up to her (almost) dead mother crying. All in all pretty disappointing episode. Nothing really happened....at all. Man. I was hoping for more exciting things this episode. At least the next one looks promising. I thought everyone said that he said.... + Show Spoiler [What he said] + That they are literally the walking dead, so they can't be cured. Given that situation it doesn't really make sense for him to comment on her being pregnant anyways. Lori even in the comics was just full retard all the time... But when the daughter ran up crying it sounded the entire time like she was laughing to me. | ||
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TheNihilist
United States178 Posts
That is my biggest problem with this show. I wouldn't mind a slow pace, if it was actually about figuring out how to survive in a very different world and the decisions that come along with that. But it's not about survival, it's about invented human drama. Not intelligent drama about survivors making hard choices, just petty human television drama. The Walking Dead: Grey's Anatomy with zombies | ||
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Vorrenus
Afghanistan94 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On February 13 2012 17:57 p4NDemik wrote: He did come on strong but that guy was obviously much better at keeping his motives secret than the fat guy. They made a point of showing how Rick was disgusted that the guy was relieving himself so close to him. You could tell he wasn't sure how to read "Nebraska guy" I guess we're calling him that. But you knew damn well what Rick thought of the fat guy. This is shown by him double tapping him to make sure he is dead. (then cut to the guy slumping over in his own piss - holy shit great image lol) The other guy was so great because the actor and director so brilliantly captured this manipulative, conniving character. He comes in and sits instead of standing and talking to Rick at face-to-face level. He makes himself subservient from the get go and tries his hardest to play the victim help us type of role but just the fact that he is sitting in that pose makes him seem so sinister. Once his act is called and he doesn't get the desired results he changes his game then goes to the bar, with all the great stuff that came along with that. Those 30 seconds in that youtube video with him at the bar and Rick interacting with him goes so far beyond just the words they say. Man I feel like I could write a dissertation or something on that scene. Even if there are a lot of objectionable things that have wasted screen time to get to this point, I'm glad I made it this far because: that scene is what makes the comic so great. That scene isn't even in the comic, but those kind of interactions are the life blood of the comic and it was a breath of fresh air to see them hit their mark for the first time in two seasons really. The pilot has the initial drama of being introduced to this alien zombie apocalyse world but critics haven't been drooling all over this show because until now, it hasn't found that tension. Hopefully the showrunners realized how fucking incredible that scene are and they are going to learn from that and get to doing scenes like this regularly, once an episode. You deliver one scene that is this powerful once for every hour of screen time then you are going to win awards. I am 125% ok if the other 40 minutes aren't the most riveting piece of storytelling as long as it is a means to an end - the end being a great scene like this (this is why the Lori thing is so enfuriating because IT SERVES NO PURPOSE IN THIS EPISODE NONE AT ALL - FUCK LORI). Alright I've said my piece. Nebraska. Probably one of the better episodes this show has had in its short lifespan, and it has everything to do with that scene. edit: That scene felt like Inglorious Basterds when they were in the bar playing cards with the gun under the table. I won't say one is better than the other but both have my heart pounding like crazy just waiting for the tension to break and for bodies to fall. Fucking incredible. ok done now I swear. I somewhat hate the show now but the bar scene sold it. There was so much cleverness in that scene and I hope they keep it up. Some things I noticed ( haven't rewatched it yet) 1.) The way the conversation went, "Nebraska Guy" and Fat Boy seemed to know more than they let on. Remember they asked "where are you guys hold up?" but never got an answer. They asked about a few places, then mentioned the Farm. Herchel nor Rick confirmed it. Then "Nebraska Guy" talks about it as if he KNEW they were on a farm. 2.) The Fat Boy going to college bit was a decent set up. I can't remember the exact line, but he said something and I think that's when Nebraska said excuse his poor diction/manners/ignorance or some shit. A college educated person (even if it's only 2 years) that didn't know some basic manners? You knew something was up. 3.) Most importantly: The "cop" convo. When they said they took the gun off of a cop, Rick says he's a cop, and then Nebraska says it was a dead cop and pretty much acts like it was nothing. The change in behavior at this point is pretty obvious. 4.) Imagine if Shane was in this scene instead of Rick. Does Nebraska boy even make it to the bar? On February 13 2012 22:40 TheNihilist wrote: I don't know why they don't just build a 10 foot wall around the farmhouse and start to settle in. The farm seems to be relatively secluded, has replenishing food sources, defendable, and a low population of walkers. But instead of working 8-16 hours a day to build a sustainable and defendable system at the farm, they just crawl around making terrible decisions, wallowing in manufactured melodrama, and acting out emotionally in ridiculous ways. That is my biggest problem with this show. I wouldn't mind a slow pace, if it was actually about figuring out how to survive in a very different world and the decisions that come along with that. But it's not about survival, it's about invented human drama. Not intelligent drama about survivors making hard choices, just petty human television drama. The Walking Dead: Grey's Anatomy with zombies Really? Build a 10 FOOT Wall with what manpower and what material? Even if the farm was only something insanely small like 300 square feet that would still be a damn near impossible task. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13092 Posts
But the Bar scene was fucking awesome ! | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
However I wish Lori would die already. When the crash happened, all I could think was "Oh great, now they will be looking for her for another four episodes." Also, why does she ALWAYS look so confused whenever carl is talking? It's like she can't understand English. | ||
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Rednaxela_19
United States150 Posts
On February 14 2012 00:15 SkelA wrote: Wow Lori is one dumb bitch. Hope she dies so they dont have to deal with her anymore. But the Bar scene was fucking awesome ! Lol this. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
Looking forward to seeing what happens next. | ||
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