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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:28 Cowpieguy wrote: @walla, in response to question about professional musicians making mistakes. I'm pretty sure they do not. They are just that damn good. I mean, some are better than others in terms of style, etc., but they can all at least play all the right notes with the right rhythm. pretty amazing, i think. I played the bassoon and flute in high school/college. It definitely takes practice to be good, more than I was ever willing to practice. Not hardly. I can pick out mistakes in most live pieces I hear that i know well. Regardless of how much you practice, you remain human....so you will make mistakes. How many you make, and how much you let them affect your performance is what makes amazing players amazing. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:41 SecondChance wrote: This is the only piece of classical music I listen to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dgfMrNFhk The first step to a cure is admission that there is a problem. :-p | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:28 Cowpieguy wrote: @walla, in response to question about professional musicians making mistakes. I'm pretty sure they do not. They are just that damn good. I mean, some are better than others in terms of style, etc., but they can all at least play all the right notes with the right rhythm. pretty amazing, i think. I played the bassoon and flute in high school/college. It definitely takes practice to be good, more than I was ever willing to practice. ummmm... you're supposed to play the music as best as possible, but its impossible to not make some slips along the way. modern studio recordings (and sometimes even live recordings) get the benefit of splicing and multiple takes so they may appear note perfect. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On February 28 2010 10:23 boesthius wrote: i'm a classical guitar player - it's my major atm and i absolutely love Barrios' works. i'm working on La Catedral right now for my junior recital. the 3rd movement is a bitch, pure tremolo T_T I tried to play with Eric Satie's Gymnopédie no.1 on guitar in the background, but my apm sunk to an average of 30. Playing flamenco though, helps. For starters: | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
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Title11
United States30 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:28 Cowpieguy wrote: @walla, in response to question about professional musicians making mistakes. I'm pretty sure they do not. They are just that damn good. I mean, some are better than others in terms of style, etc., but they can all at least play all the right notes with the right rhythm. pretty amazing, i think. I played the bassoon and flute in high school/college. It definitely takes practice to be good, more than I was ever willing to practice. As a professional musician, I can assure you that we do make mistakes. First off, music is a subjective form of expression and can never be "perfect." Technically speaking, the vast level of techniques, mechanics, expression, and thinking processes involved in performing means that a mistake is inevitable. We strive every day to perfect our mechanics as much as possible, but mistakes certainly occur. Also, as musicians become more talented, the threshold for a mistake becomes much more strict (much like SC, or any act that requires exceptional skill). When I was younger, simply making it through a piece without falling apart was quite the accomplishment. Though speeding up the tempo slightly, for example, may seem minute or even unnoticeable, it can feel like the entire piece was wrecked to a veteran musician. In fact, the mark of a good musician is the ability to not let small mistakes derail the entire performance. A player who doesn't make "mistakes" is not pushing the threshold of his or her potential. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:11 Title11 wrote: As a professional musician, I can assure you that we do make mistakes. First off, music is a subjective form of expression and can never be "perfect." Technically speaking, the vast level of techniques, mechanics, expression, and thinking processes involved in performing means that a mistake is inevitable. We strive every day to perfect our mechanics as much as possible, but mistakes certainly occur. Also, as musicians become more talented, the threshold for a mistake becomes much more strict (much like SC, or any act that requires exceptional skill). When I was younger, simply making it through a piece without falling apart was quite the accomplishment. Though speeding up the tempo slightly, for example, may seem minute or even unnoticeable, it can feel like the entire piece was wrecked to a veteran musician. In fact, the mark of a good musician is the ability to not let small mistakes derail the entire performance. A player who doesn't make "mistakes" is not pushing the threshold of his or her potential. Exactly. Even though I would only call mechanical failures (or playing certain parts out of beat) "mistakes", the expression level can't be really objectified; you can only see if it's congruent and consequent in itself, not per se wrong. | ||
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:46 Sm3agol wrote: The first step to a cure is admission that there is a problem. :-p You don't like the piece? Or I don't listen to enough? ; / | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:54 SecondChance wrote: You don't like the piece? Or I don't listen to enough? ; / :-) | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
Where the first trumpet of the San Francisco Symphony, certainly one of the top orchestras in the US, rivaling the big five in status, misses a very important cue. (Ignore the title, the conductor didn't miss it it was the trumpet). Does this mistake discredit the symphony? Honestly, in my eyes, no. I know mistakes happen, and stuff like this doesn't really change my attitude and opinions towards the orchestra, nor the first trumpet, in any way. Also amusing related video: | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
So my question is, is there anywhere I can go to read more about the different genres? What's a good starting point for classical music? Of what I've heard, I really like piano music. I don't know if it makes any difference what I listen to regularly in terms of taste in Classical music, but if it does I'll share it. Thanks! :p | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
William Tell Fantasy Pt. 1 William Tell Fantasy Pt. 2 Improv on Grieg theme. Played just one year before he passed away at age of 88. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
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keit
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(From the soundtrack of the movie Tony Takitani, one of my favourite movies) | ||
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theBOOCH
United States832 Posts
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Spinfusor
Australia410 Posts
On February 26 2011 16:35 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I decided that I haven't listened to enough Beethoven, so I am on a quest to listen to as many different recordings of the Beethoven symphonies as possible. Currently, I have a dozen complete sets with a handful of individual symphonies, and I'm definitely still missing quite a few legendary/recommended recordings. Now I know most of the famous ones I'm missing, but I also want to find the hidden gems. I would ask any of you with any opinion on the matter to chime in and give me ONE recording for each Beethoven symphony that you think is obscure/underrated/uncommon but you still think is amazing. Taking all suggestions ^^ Symphony No. 3 - Scherchen/VSOO 1958 (take a look at the 'Eroica project' website too) Symphony No. 4 - Kondrashin/Moscow (I think) Symphony No. 5 - Eotvos/Gothenburg Symphony No. 6 - De Sabata (either recording) Symphony No. 7/8 - Casals/Marlboro (both on one disc) Symphony No. 9 - Furtwangler/BPO 1942 Hitler's Birthday performance (not the more famous one), or Lucerne 1954 (though that's not as obscure) No. 1/2 I don't listen to enough. I do like Steinberg (Command)/Toscanini in those two though. None of these are 'model' performances (esp. the Furtwangler), but they all are interesting in some way. Incidentally, making me pick one performance is really mean =[. Also, a NYP Toscanini 9 does exist, but has only had one CD release (which was on Dante) from memory. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On February 27 2011 15:28 Spinfusor wrote: None of these are 'model' performances (esp. the Furtwangler), but they all are interesting in some way. Incidentally, making me pick one performance is really mean =[. Also, a NYP Toscanini 9 does exist, but has only had one CD release (which was on Dante) from memory. Haha, don't worry, this is exactly what I'm looking for. I have a pretty good collection of all the model Beethovens already + a few curiosities, and it's the more "interesting" ones that I'm really setting out to look for now =) And sorry about making you pick one haha xD! Feel free to toss in anything else you want to make a case for, I'll definitely get around to it eventually. | ||
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
I don't listen to much classical, but some of my favourites are: Shostakovich 5th Symphony + Show Spoiler + Dvorak 9th allegro con fuoco + Show Spoiler + Devil's Gallop (which inspired the awesome theme from Monty on the Run/I wanna be the guy) + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On February 27 2011 14:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey, so I'm entirely new to Classical music, but really like it when I hear it, and have decided to get more into it. So my question is, is there anywhere I can go to read more about the different genres? What's a good starting point for classical music? Of what I've heard, I really like piano music. I don't know if it makes any difference what I listen to regularly in terms of taste in Classical music, but if it does I'll share it. Thanks! :p I guess you could start by listening to "all" of the different genres(classical music itself actually refers to music from around 1750-1820 and is the style Mozart, Haydn and early Beethoven wrote in). I don't know where to start, but I don't have much time now, so I'll just start a little late. The music before this point isn't really interesting in my personal opinion. I'll include the years when they are made so you can get a little historical sense of it as well. This is a renaissance(14th to the 17th century) motet. This one is written about 1570. It's one of my favorite pieces of all time. This is a Bach fugue. I just love to listen to fugues and how they go on and on endlessly. It's a baroque(16th to early 18th century) piece and it's written around 1722. It's played by Glenn Gould, a crazy guy, but man he could play the piano! Mozart, piano sonata in D major. The style is classical(1750-ca.1820) and is made in 1789. Beethoven, ninth symphony. One of my favorite works of all time. This is the second movement, but all of them are just fantastic. It's romantic(1803-1890) music, and this one is completed in 1824. Grieg, to spring. Grieg used norwegian folk music and made romantic classical arrangements of them. This is one of my favorite piano pieces. Debussy, the sunken cathedral, La Cathedrale engloutie. It's in impressionist style(1890-1920) and this one was published in 1910. Schönberg, a piece from Pierrot Lunaire. This is atonal music which was the result of composers stretching the tonality too far. Beethoven started experimenting with stretching tonality by making chords that would seem to really lead one place(like the major 7 with flat 9), but instead of resolving it to the chord that would sound natural, he modulated to a really different key. Through the 1800s many composers would experiment with this, Wagner being one of the most known. In early 1900s Schönberg got interested in this, and eventually made a whole system of how to make atonal music. It's really strange in the beginning, but after listening to it a lot you will definitely understand it more and enjoy it more. Atonal music is often mathematically logical, but not very logical when it comes to what our ears are used to hear. Stravinsky, the Rite of Spring. It's about the sacrifice of a young lady. Musically it uses inspiration from folk music, primitive rhythms, systematic use of symmetrical scales and chords and other good jazz. It premiered in 1913. Messiaen, Turangalila Symphony. One of my favorite orchestral works. It's absolutely amazing. It's written from 1946-1948. In this work, Messiaen uses many different symmetrical scales and plays around with them and just goes crazy. This is like early death metal  He also experiments with electronic instruments here, like the ondes martinot The list goes on! I might write more later. If people like it I'll maybe start posting recommendations to music in my blog, and write a little historic background on it. | ||
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